Monday, May 28, 2012

A traditionalist group in the UK?

I've looked through the website of the Traditional Britain Group and they seem quite good. Interested readers from the UK might like to take a look. There's a website, a blog and a facebook page. If anyone knows more about them please feel free to comment.


  1. "The Traditional Britain Group stands for full national sovereignty and recognisable national identity, the firm control of Britain's borders, the preservation of the countryside, and a rejection of banal commericalism for its own sake, globalised economy in which jobs, companies and people are simply sold off or exported. The TBG stands for the restoration of a truly conservative party in Britain, and opposes the liberal-left direction of the current "Tory" leadership."

    Noble sentiments for sure but way too late.
    If you want to know what is the matter with those that are described by the mainstream media as rioting "youths," read Theodore Dalrymple’s poignant analysis in the latest issue of City Journal. We are just witnessing the
    beginning of Europe’s problems:

    "The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict."

    Our mainstream media, in attempts to preserve the Left’s chimera of "universal cultural compatibility," hardly write about all this.
    The Muslim population in Western Europe has become so large that politicians fear what it might be capable of.

    Commenting on the situation in Britain, Theodore Dalrymple wrote in City Journal: "Surveys suggest that between 6 and 13 percent of British Muslims – that is, between 98,000 and 208,000 people – are sympathetic toward Islamic terrorists and their efforts. Theoretical sympathy expressed in a survey is not the same thing as active support or a wish to emulate the ‘martyrs’ in person, of course.

    Soon, you will travel from London to Paris, Amsterdam or Stockholm and find that you have left one city dominated by burkas and sharia to find……yet another city dominated by burkas and sharia. For some reason, this eradication of unique, urban cultures is to be celebrated as "cultural diversity." Britain's population is projected to rise by more than seven million in the next 25 years. The predictions were even greater than those made by the Migrationwatch UK think-tank, whose forecasts had been dismissed in the past as alarmist. Sir Andrew Green, the chairman of Migrationwatch, said the figures were '"staggering." "They totally demolish the Government's claim that it has a 'managed migration' policy. In fact they show that immigration into the UK is out of control."

  2. Kman,

    It may be too late to salvage some things, but it's certainly not too late to salvage something.

    The Traditional Britain Group is at least attempting to lead. I'm too far away to assess how good that leadership might be, but the website does seem OK.

  3. Mark depressing as it is, the facts show otherwise. There are now 345 mosques in London and 1500 in the U.K. Mohammed is now the most popular name for boys in the it is in other European countries.
    In 2011, it was reported that UK has around 100,000 converts to Islam with 66% of them being women.

    It is forecast that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. Austria was 90 per cent Catholic in the 20th century but Islam could be the majority religion among Austrians aged under 15 by 2050, says Mr Caldwell.Some of Sweden and Belgium’s largest cities now have Muslim majorities. These are just some examples of the growing phenomenon that is Eurabia, the Islamization of Europe.

    Muslims are rapidly immigrating to Europe. But they are not adapting to European culture. Instead, many of them are attempting to conform European society to their own ideals.

    A poll conducted by the London Telegraph reveals that 40 percent of British Muslims want Sharia introduced in Great Britain. It should be no surprise that the Islamic population in Britain is multiplying 10 times faster than the rest of the society,

    Someone once wrote "And it also means that it is only a matter of time before before islamist political movements, wholly incompatible with the current Western model, have arisen with their customary shrill and ever-expanding demands to favoured status. The liberalist school has no means of addressing this issue, because it cannot accept its existence. It means that the ultra-liberalist ideology has failed on a catastrophic scale, but shows no recognition of this and probably never will."

    No Mark the die for the suicide of the west has been cast and the U.K.and indeed the rest of Europe has lost and there will be no second chance.

  4. Kman,

    You are wrong in one very important respect. If the West is going under it's not because of what Muslims are doing. It's because of what the majority populations are or are not doing. If the British decided they wanted to keep their tradition going, then it is 100% true that they could do so.

  5. " If the West is going under it's not because of what Muslims are doing. It's because of what the majority populations are or are not doing. If the British decided they wanted to keep their tradition going, then it is 100% true that they could do so."

    Agreed - of course it's not the majority population of our nations that makes the decisions, it's a small ruling elite. They don't care what the majority think, unless it affects voting behaviour - which on consensus issues it cannot do.

  6. "You are wrong in one very important respect. If the West is going under it's not because of what Muslims are doing. It's because of what the majority populations are or are not doing. If the British decided they wanted to keep their tradition going, then it is 100% true that they could do so."

    Actually I am not wrong as it's a combination of the ruling elite as Simon says,the PCification of the masses and what the Muslims are actually doing that's the cause.

    Mark you say that the majority population can keep their traditions going if they want. Sure they can, but for how long as the Brits are being out populated by Muslims and as these violent backward tribespeople gain more and more numbers they will also gain more political clout way beyond their numbers and they will undermine those British traditions and British laws as they have already done to some extent with free speech being the most important.
    It's the steady undermining of the rule of law and democratic institutions by Islamic supremacists attempts to create two separate societies, with Islam preeminent and there can and will be only one winner.

    And it's also happening here right now in Australia and you can thank Labor and the Greens for this fact. Australian children and youth are also being brainwashed by members of leftist teachers unions,academics and media such as the Fairfax news group and our national taxpayer funded public broadcasters the ABC and SBS. Muslims are pouring in to this country and the population is blissfully going around as if there were no threat from large numbers of unemployed young Muslim men living among us. And that's what the Europeans thought too.

  7. I know you are shocked Mark as I am, and The most amazing thing to me is that the country that has given the world so much, everything from the English language, parliament , legal system, agricultural & industrial revolutions, mechanical inventions, literature & poetry (Shakespeare, Milton, Bronte's, Kipling, Dickens, Elliot. Politicians (Walpole, Disraeli, Gladstone, Churchill.and fought so valiantly in two world wars has surrendered and is being taken hostage by one of the most primitive cultures and religions on the planet Openly racist, homophobic, anti progress, anti-reason, anti-science, misogynistic, barbaric Muslims and whose disciples have given the world nothing except death and destrution for the last 1000 years while the west is exploring deep space and making endless breakthroughs in science, physics and medicine etc. Instead these religious fanatics spend their time 5 times a day in prayer. And why will these third world primitive desert dwellers one day in the not so far future govern the U.K and the rest of Europe through Sharia Law ?

    An example:In London, Ashton's Labour Party colleague Ken Livingstone, who is campaigning to become its next mayor, said he wants to turn the capital city into a "beacon" of Islam.

    And for just how far the Brits will pander to Muslim sensitivities and erode their own rights as British citizens... "While a ‘Religion of Peace Demonstration.’was going on in the streets of London and fierce looking bearded men were holding signs "Slay those who insult islam” … “Butcher those who insult islam” … “Behead those who insult islam”- the largest university in London plans to impose a ban on the sale of alcohol on campus to accommodate the "cultural sensitivity" of its Muslim students.

    London Metropolitan University's Vice Chancellor, Malcolm Gillies, says it would be unwise to "cling" to a "nostalgic" view where the vast majority wants alcohol to be available. Instead, he says that he believes the university should take account of diverging views, namely those of Muslims, who now comprise 20% of the university's 30,000 students.

    "Many of our students do come from backgrounds where they actually look on drinking as a negative. We therefore need to rethink how we cater for that 21st-century balance," Gillies declared in an interview. "What we don't want is the tyranny of a majority view," he added.- Hell no why should the majority of people get to decide, that's like being democratic.How passe, how un-PC!

    Muslim doctors and nurses in Britain are now allowed to opt out of strict hygiene rules introduced by the National Health Service to restrict the spread of hospital superbugs. The change was made after female Muslims objected to being required to expose their arm below the elbow under guidance introduced to reduce the number of patients who were falling ill, and even dying, from bacteria... (An absolute must read!)

    According to the World Encyclopedia, "cultural genocide" is a term used to describe the deliberate destruction of the cultural heritage of a people or nation for political or military reasons. Well the left's social engineers have done their job well indeed..

    "Muslim conquest by immigration has to do with the loss of confidence in one’s own civilization. … There is no clear European identity today. In other words, Europe is dying because it doesn’t believe in itself. Where once pride acted as an immune system to protect from external threats, now there is only the sanctimonious self-hatred known as liberalism. " Dutch politician Frits Bolkestein .

  8. Oops forgot one of the most important legal documents in the history of democracy,the Magna Carta.

  9. This is the sort of movement we should be emulating here in Australia. We desperately need in this country some sort of forum to express and promote the tenets of traditionalist conservatism.

  10. Everything said above is true but when it all falls down there will have to be a remnant - those who keep alive the spirit of our civilisation and passit on to their children. Something like the survival of the Jews through the centuries. And groups like these are the starting point, so maybe not to sniff at.

  11. Speaking of the downward spiral of the Anglosphere and the decline, demographically and culturally, of its historic peoples, I recently stumbled across this mournful article from Australian writer R.J. Stove:

    The Death of the WASP Down-Under

    Indeed, Australia used to be one hell of a country. Now, courtesy of anti-white multiculturalism, mass Third World immigration, rampant political correctness, rapacious consumerism and the mindless pursuit of economic 'growth', declining quality of life and a creeping police state, Australia is becoming, simply, hell.

  12. This is the sort of movement we should be emulating here in Australia.

    Edward, agreed.