So long as we are all in the same sinking boat, we would be wise to focus on rowing in the same direction.
And in the text of the editorial there's this:
Comrades, we are in the same boat. A sinking one.
Guardian readers, it seems, feel comfortable referring to each other as "comrades" - something which conjures up images of communist commissars from the USSR.
Will the EU go the same way as the USSR and collapse? It's certainly possible, but we shouldn't be too hopeful. The European elite believe in the EU as a moral cause and won't let go of it unless they really have to.
It seems to be a matter of what happens when Greece eventually defaults on its debts.ReplyDelete
Either rocky road or domino collapse.
Could go either way IMHO despite the current wave of lamentation from a political class finding one of its certainties not so certain.
The best result would be the formation of a Nordic union. Unfortunately those countries are poisoned with leftists and economic migrant parasites.ReplyDelete
Wont be long before they fall too.
An entity run by totally inefficient centralised bureaucrats, created because of war guilt, with minor nations hoping to free ride off the powerful, and powerful states continutally distracted, enervated and overriden. You bet we hope this "community" fails.ReplyDelete
Surely you would agree that the USA and China are throwing their weight around the world, and the future looks as though it belongs to heavyweights. How is one small European nation supposed to fare in a world of heavyweights?ReplyDelete
They formed a union so that they could have a voice on the world stage. Crises and problems arise such as climate change which demand international cooperation.
The USA formed a union; I see no reason why Europeans cannot.
The USA formed a union; I see no reason why Europeans cannot.ReplyDelete
When countries like the USA and Australia federated it was to form nations on the traditional model, i.e. a single people related closely in a myriad of ways sharing one land.
The EU is very different. It is not a nation building exercise but a nation destroying one.
As for the Europeans defending themselves in the modern world, they could have done so in other ways, for instance through something like a "Council of Europe" in which the foreign ministers of the larger countries got together to coordinate the more significant foreign policy responses.
"They formed a union so that they could have a voice on the world stage."ReplyDelete
Creating a voice on the world stage by destroying all your voices at home.
“As for the Europeans defending themselves in the modern world, they could have done so in other ways, for instance through something like a "Council of Europe" in which the foreign ministers of the larger countries got together to coordinate the more significant foreign policy responses.”
Or Nato, but why is it that the more the European countries integrate the more their defence budgets and capabilities shrink? Why do I have to lose my national identity, sovereignty and political accountability in order to “combat” something as dubious as “climate change”?
Crises and problems arise such as climate change which demand international cooperation.ReplyDelete
Imaginary crises such as climate change are manufactured in order to justify the existence of worthless international organisations such as the EU and the UN.
Exactly what is being objected to here? It should hardly need stressing that the EU was originally the brainchild of traditionalist Catholics such as Konrad Adenauer, Alcide De Gasperi, Jean Monnet, and Robert Schuman, who were conscious of the demographic catastrophes inflicted by two world wars within a generation. What drives anti-EU sentiment in Britain is not the EU's faults, which are obvious enough, but anti-Catholic bigotry, pure and simple.ReplyDelete
As far as Britain is concerned the sole alternatives to so-called "dictatorship by Brussels" are in practice dictatorship by Wall Street or dictatorship by Beijing. I can think of several terms - mostly unprintable - to describe those choices, but "conservative" isn't one of them.
The EU is more likely to lead to Islamic primacy in Europe than Catholic primacy.
It really makes no sense to think of the EU as a Catholic vehicle, unless you believe that the Catholic Church has gone utterly nihilistic and wishes to abolish itself.
As the mosques spring up in Poland and Spain and France and Austria are Catholics supposed to celebrate the great achievements of the EU in avoiding demographic catastrophe?
By the way, I believe you are wrong about Jean Monnet, a leading figure in the founding of the EU.
He was not a practising Christian and only reconciled with the Catholic Church on his deathbed.
His ideas have been described as "an eclectic mix of Saint-Simonian socialism and Anglo-Saxon liberalism".
Mr Richardson, I am not primarily worried by the Moslems outside the Church (they are - as the late philosopher David Stove used to say in Quadrant - a police problem rather than anything else), as by the homosexual perverts and cowards within the Church.ReplyDelete
If you want to know the main reason for Europe's demographic crisis in 2011, there are your answers: (a) the Sodomites' League (Catholic and otherwise), without which feminism and similar horrors would not flourish; (b) two civil wars killing millions of European whites inside a generation. But I know from experience how rare it is on this website to get any honest reference to the perils of sodomy.
Germany trying to conquer Europe is a "Civil war"? Interesting.ReplyDelete
As perverse as the practices of some priests are, the Catholic Church cannot be blamed for the demographic destiny confronting Europe at this time. For goodness' sake, the Church doesn't even want its members to use contraception!
Europe is facing a crisis largely of its own making, a witches' brew of godlessness, humanism, materialism and hubris. I very much want the indigenes of Europe to survive in their own lands. But I have little sympathy for the voting populace who continue to elect people viscerally hostile to their own interests and who preen themselves morally for their compassion and tolerance while being slowly replaced in the nations and societies their ancestors built up over centuries. The European peoples of today are unnatural in their instincts, refined and spent to a point where they cannot comprehend the troubles they are laying up in store for the future.
"It should hardly need stressing that the EU was originally the brainchild of traditionalist Catholics such as Konrad Adenauer, Alcide De Gasperi, Jean Monnet, and Robert Schuman, who were conscious of the demographic catastrophes inflicted by two world wars within a generation."ReplyDelete
Schuman was a holy man who probably deserves to be canonized, but if he saw the monster his brainchild has become, he'd probably be the first to call for its abolition.
The Union was supposed to strengthen Europe, not abolish it. But that is precisely what it is trying to do. All the uniqueness of the small and large cultural pockets of the European patchwork that make it Europe have been drowned by a faceless bureaucracy that harkens more to Stalin and his politburo than Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire.
"The European peoples of today are unnatural in their instincts, refined and spent to a point where they cannot comprehend the troubles they are laying up in store for the future."
as by the homosexual perverts and cowards within the Church.ReplyDelete
The capture of most mainstream churches by the Left has certainly been one of the biggest catastrophes of the last half-century. If you want to find enemies of civilisation you won't find many more dangerous than the current Archbishop of Canterbury. It seems that most churches these days are anti-family and anti-Christian.