Sunday, October 19, 2025

An age of discontinuity?

 A young Englishwoman expressed her preference for her own national cuisine on social media:

This triggered the following put down:


Nasir, unsurprisingly, describes himself as a "global head of trading". I responded to his comment as follows:


It was perhaps unfair of me to even describe Jess's position as parochial, as she clarified that she happily eats other foods but just prefers her native fare. And, as I shall point out in a future post, there is an important place for parochialism regardless - the turn toward cosmopolitanism and against one's own culture can be traced back to a very unhealthy development within leftism.

For a healthier mindset consider the thought of Elizabeth Fenton, an Englishwoman who travelled to Tasmania in 1828. Her ship was crewed with Arabs and Bengalis and, to her dismay, a Greek who had abandoned his own national culture:

Among this crowd there is, - Oh! sad to write it, - a Greek, a native of Athens, a Moslem now by adopted faith and practice.

Little reckons he of past time; Marathon is no more to him than Mozambique. He would rather have a curry than all the fame of his ancestors.

For Elizabeth Fenton, having this social body ought to grant to this Greek man something much greater than the hedonic experience of eating a certain dish. It grants a certain kind of continuity: a connection to generations past, to their achievements and therefore something to contribute to and to aspire toward. 

Sad to write it, but there are parts of my own home city now which are so diverse that it is difficult to imagine anyone living there having this sense of continuity through time. The lifestyle in these areas, unsurprisingly, is directed toward hedonic experience in the moment, particularly through the array of international eateries. It makes me wonder if this culture of discontinuity is not contributing to the current trend of young women turning away from the idea of motherhood - as this requires us to take on long term commitments, in part, to maintain an ongoing lineage and tradition.

The earliest of the early moderns did not want the culture to descend into this type of hedonic individualism (even if they unwittingly prepared some of the ground for it). Descartes, for instance, was adamant that we must think of ourselves as belonging to larger social entities:

though each of us is a person distinct from others, whose interests are accordingly in some way different from those of the rest of the world, we ought still to think that none of us could subsist alone and that each one of us is really one of the many parts of the universe, and more particularly a part of the earth, the state, the society and the family to which we belong by our domicile, our oath of allegiance and our birth.

Francis Bacon thought that there were two levels of existence. The first was the individual one motivated by an appetite to preserve the inherent good of our own individual being. But he thought as well that there was a second level of existence, propelled by a motion toward contact and connection. Therefore, there was a "double nature of the good":

Here, he argues that there "is formed in every thing a double nature of good": "the one, as every thing is a total or substantive in itself": the other, "as it is a part or member of a greater body".

Put differently, there are two kinds of goods found in material nature: the one, goodness per se, or any given objects intrinsic value; the other, goodness insofar as it belongs, and thus contributes to, a collective reality greater than itself.

The appetite for self-preservation corresponds naturally to the safeguarding of a material body's essential goodness, whereas the appetite of union facilitates a basic level of material conjunction for the purposes both of self-preservation and the greater good. [Francis Bacon on Motion and Power, pp.236-37]

Finally, I'll just make the observation that we do seem to be wired to appreciate continuity. There are parts of Melbourne that were built very finely in the later 1800s and have been reasonably well preserved. When you walk through them you feel a positive connection to the past and to ancestry which then vivifies the experience of place. It's very difficult to impart this from a photo, but this is the type of streetscape I have in mind:


Postscript: One final brief thought. It's interesting that the imagery of "chains" has changed over time. In the older Western tradition, less prone to discontinuity, the imagery of chains was more positive, suggesting a necessary connection between created beings, as in the "Great Chain of Being". In modern times, we have a shift in which the aim is to break chains to achieve liberation. For instance, Rousseau's famous quote is "Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains", whilst Marx declared "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains". 

8 comments:

  1. Curry is the literal old english word for “cooking.” It references the first mass produced cookbook “The Art Of Curry” which Henry II had his chef release during his post St Thomas A Becket Martyrdom apology tour. Henry’s favorite dish was all leftovers shoved in a pot and cooked to a thick stew. The book used the newly created earthenware pot as an example and the dish and earthenware caught on because it allowed cooking that was almost automatic once you shoved in the ingredients.

    Curry got to India by way of English soldiers eating it, and it caught on like mad in India because it allowed the lower castes (who were starved as punishment and “population control” by the higher castes) to eat regularly for the first time in their history even without cooking skill.

    Curry powder itself comes from Portugal.

    Tea is also European though the leaves are native to India. So is coffee though the beans are middle eastern. We just used dill and cilantro for tea and chicory for coffee before the caffeinated alternative presented itself.

    In other words: people are so derascinated that they don’t even know most “Asian” food is from Europe for the same reason curry caught on in India: for the first time the poor of Asia had something to eat besides rice and air because of European colonialism.

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  2. As for bacon, he’s responsible for a large portion of the issues today.

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  3. I don't care what you say, I love bacon. With eggs,on a sandwich and, being a unreconstructed Southerner with black eyed peas.

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  4. I would add to the chain point that the ways even liberals describe the modern condition surprisingly, if loosely, reflects the older sense of the chain as stability: young people today are adrift, untethered, rootless, lacking "connection."

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    1. Yes, the more positive connotation of the image of a chain included connection, stability, continuity - and a kind of cosmic order.

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  5. A man in a healthy state of mind desires fellowship with other men. Most especially he desires fellowship with his kin — not just personal relationship and companionship but also imitation. We want to know that we belong together and want to tell each other so. I think anyone in a reasonably healthy family has seen family members imitating each other, especially children. We even do this unconsciously and semi-involuntarily when we speak (code switching and other phenomena).

    A stable identity and community over time — a group of people with common ancestry and common posterity — is just an extension of this. People naturally everywhere desire fellowship not just with those around them presently but with their posterity and, especially, their ancestors. The ancestor cult is universal to all peoples and among the most ancient and venerable of customs of Man. How do we have fellowship with our ancestors and our posterity? By imitating them and trying to hold onto commonalities that bind us together. With the former, by preserving and honoring their memories and the things passed onto us. With the latter by preparing for them a good inheritance as best we can. In a way, these bonds of fellowship are so important because they are so one-sided. Neither the dead nor the yet-to-live can advocate on their own behalf; they are in a position of completely vulnerability and subjugation to the present, a position of having no choice but to trust, analogous to the way a helpless infant must trust his parents.

    Is it much of a surprise that people who did the opposite and spat on their ancestors, desiring to be “free” of them, quickly followed it up by parasitizing and hating their posterity, eating not just the inheritance but the seed corn, and inflicting all sorts of evils on them that they had no possibility of resisting? And that soon after their bonds to their people in the present were destroyed, and now we are in a state where people largely don’t even have bonds of voluntary friendship, hence the “loneliness epidemic."

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    1. The last paragraph of this in particular rings very true - to the point that it is sobering to read.

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    2. The idea that we can hate or be indifferent to our kin but maintain healthy social relations purely with people of our choosing seems to be an unexamined presupposition of many people.

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