Friday, July 05, 2013

Who does Dave want to add to Europe?

David Cameron, British PM, has made a speech about expanding the boundaries of the European Union:
Talking to Kazakh students in the capital Astana he said: “Britain has always supported the widening of the EU. “Our vision of the EU is that it should be a large trading and co-operating organisation that effectively stretches, as it were, from the Atlantic to the Urals. “We have a wide vision of Europe and have always encouraged countries that want to join.”

He wants Kazakhstan to join? Kazakhstan is a country in central Asia (it shares a border with China). The Kazakhs themselves are a Muslim Turkic group (though there is a sizeable minority of Russians living in Kazakhstan).

A Kazakh wedding

It's true that 10% of Kazakhstan lies west of the Ural mountains - presumably Cameron is using this to justify the idea of Kazakhstan joining the EU.

Cameron's speech is a reminder of the weakness of the liberal approach to nationalism. Liberals have ditched the traditional idea of nationalism, in which people were connected together by a shared ethnicity - a common language, culture, race, religion and history - and instead opted for a civic nationalism, in which people were to be united by a common commitment to liberal political institutions and values.

But this liberal civic nationalism is unstable. If all that is needed to belong to a "nation" is a shared commitment to liberalism, then potentially anyone can join. If Kazakhstan proves to meet certain political criteria, then it can join a "European" union even if its population is majority Turkic and Muslim and even if its landmass is 90% in Central Asia. In other words, there are no limits to the boundaries of a civic nation and if there are no limits it becomes meaningless to talk of a particular national identity. You might as well just sign up to the UN and be done with it.

The Kazakhstan speech also shows yet again just how much David Cameron is committed to a liberal view of things rather than a traditionalist conservative one. We shouldn't be surprised by this. After all, Cameron has made his own commitment to liberalism very clear:
today we have a Conservative Party … which wants Britain to be a positive participant in the EU, as a champion of liberal values.


  1. Ahh this is ridiculous. While I agree that Europe's natural border in the east is the Urals. Kazakhstan is firmly outside of Europe regardless of 10% being west of the Ural divide.
    It is a central Asian country.


    This should be relevant...

  3. Central Asia isn't Europe (Western, Eastern, Northern and Southern Europe). It's Asia.

  4. Before somebody starts spouting the Afro-centric crap that Southern Europeans are mixed with sub-Saharan African, just a tip:

    IF they are mixed with something (and I doubt it), it's in small quantities (like 5-20%). And it sure isn't African. Quite possibly it's Asian blood (Middle East and Central Asia), but it's not African. The Moors were most likely Asian.

  5. North African countries like Mauritania, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt have a lot of Caucasian blood (meaning Central Asia and Middle East).

  6. Well, Australia's elites like to claim that Australia is in the 'Asian' region, even though Australia is neither geographically nor culturally an Asian country by any means.

    As for the EU expanding to include Central Asian countries, forget about it. Russia would never allow it.

  7. I take it Cameron is in favour of Turkey joining the EU.

    What about countries like Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan?

    What about Russia?

  8. The minorities in Southern European and Eastern Europe tend to be at least Caucasian (white/Asian mixes), if not sometimes totally Asian. If there was any cross and mixture between ethnicities, races, cultures and nations, African had a very minuscule, almost zero influence. North Africa became Islamic a few centuries before 1000 A.D., and that wave brought a lot of Middle Eastern and Asian blood.

  9. In 2011, it was recorded that there were 73.64 million people in Turkey, almost all are Muslims.
    David Cameron works day and night to get Turkey into the European Union. If that happens all of Europe and Britain will be over-run by many millions of Turkish Muslims. Most of Turkey's population?

    British and European ruling elites have NO loyalty to their own people and their own countries. Their loyalty is to one people: Muslims. Their loyalty is to one totalitarian political system: ISLAM.