Thursday, April 28, 2011

Anglicans call for fewer babies

The Anglican Church in Australia has taken a green turn, with mixed results:

A LEADING church body wants the baby bonus scrapped to curb rampant population growth.

The Anglican Church's key advisory group also wants migration cut.

The problem with this, as many have pointed out already in the mainstream media, is that Australia already has a below replacement fertility level. It's not people having too many babies that is the current issue, but the blow out in migration levels:

Liberal frontbencher Bruce Billson said he was surprised by the Anglicans' proposal.

"I would have thought that at a time when we're not even replacing Australians that are passing away by newborn Australians, that attacking the baby bonus is probably the last thing you would do," Mr Billson told Sky News.


If the fertility rate were to fall even further, it would just give the business lobby more ammunition to call for higher rates of immigration.

On the positive side, at least the Anglican Church is one major institution opposing open borders:

It also said the overall migrant intake should be cut while being more generous to refugees.

"The question must be asked whether our current and projected population growth is fair to future generations of Australians and to other life in the environments our descendants will have to inhabit," it said.

"The growing congestion of cities, destined to become worse, means much time lost in commuting, more polluted suburbs, denser housing and the loss for many of suburban gardens in which to relax and still have some communion with nature."

Last year a General Synod of the Anglican Church called on the government to:

avoid any reliance on continuing population growth to maintain economic growth.

10 comments:

  1. I am not getting how this is a church issue.

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  2. The Anglican Church are now greenies. I hope they rot.

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  3. If the church's position of closed borders/smaller families is indeed viable, Australians should be grateful. We've already made citizens of most of our aliens. Our choices are down to a grand baby-making contest or war, and I find the former absurd.

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  4. People doesn't equal power. If it did a left wing elite would never have taken control of our socieites. People numbers are significant but one of the reasons the left pushes increased numbers is because they imagine that nothing will really change, at least in terms of them.

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  5. ""Our choices are down to a grand baby-making contest or war, and I find the former absurd.""

    Russia don't.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8463908/Vladimir-Putin-promises-to-boost-Russias-birth-rate-in-possible-campaign-pitch.html

    Demography is destiny Van Wijk. A Church that tells its members not to breed better have a hell of a good conversion strategy to survive.

    A nation that stops having kids and then allows others to take the places of their absent children and grandchildren will not exist for very long either, and the one lesson the new society will learn from the old is not to listen to idiots that tell you not to have kids.

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  6. ""People doesn't equal power.""

    Nope, but People + Elites can be nasty.

    When the hated evil pale skinned people are a plurality rather than a majority then the left elites will be able to do whatever they feel like to those evil few remaining.

    Even if they don't want to I get the feeling their new "people" might just insist.

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  7. Mark something that might interest you:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25?link=MW_home_latest_news

    "Age of America" to end in 2016 when they will no longer be the largest economy.

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  8. Russia don't.

    Good for Russia. We'll see if it works. Though given the general backwardness of that country, you'll forgive me if I take their answers with a large grain of salt.

    Demography is destiny Van Wijk.

    Tell that to the Teutoni and the Cimbri.

    Extrapolation of the future from present trends is one of the more pervasive fallacies around, with "demography is destiny" being the favorite throw-away line of those who push it. White-haters over here crow endlessly that we'll be a minority by 2050. But there's a flawed assumption there, specifically that things will continue to progress smoothly into infinity and that present trends will likewise endure forever. History is rarely so neat and tidy. The system that is allowing people to breed at taxpayer expense is rapidly falling apart (at least over here), while the breeders themselves are already implacably hostile to the point of violence. Even if whites were to achieve parity with nonwhites, you're still talking about the permanent presence of huge numbers of alien peoples living within your borders. That's not a recipe for any kind of success.

    A nation that stops having kids and then allows others to take the places of their absent children and grandchildren will not exist for very long either, and the one lesson the new society will learn from the old is not to listen to idiots that tell you not to have kids.

    This notion that immigrants are here to stay so we have no choice but to outbreed them is exactly the absurdity I was talking about. It would be far better to seal the border and deport as many of these undesirables as possible; the historic majority can be maintained without exponential population growth and the ecological damage that naturally follows. Maintaining a country's wild places should be of enormous value to all generations. Encroaching on those places in order to facilitate a baby-making contest with hostile peoples who shouldn't be there to begin with shouldn't be an acceptable proposition.

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  9. Van Wijk said,

    "Encroaching on those places in order to facilitate a baby-making contest with hostile peoples who shouldn't be there to begin with shouldn't be an acceptable proposition."

    Good call.

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