Monday, June 11, 2012

Sweden: the nation as a multicultural workplace

Here's some synchronicity for you. Yesterday I wrote a post in which I criticised Australian writer David Penberthy for viewing the nation as a multicultural workplace.

Today I looked at the Swedish news and a Swedish minister was setting forth his own view of the nation as a multicultural workplace.

Tobias Billström is quoted as saying that 'Every global citizen should work in Sweden'. The Local website then gives his speech as follows:
Sweden's efforts to liberalize rules governing labour migration are meant to ensure that working in Sweden becomes an obvious choice for every global citizen, argues migration minister Tobias Billström.

Continued openness to the outside world is critical to our future development. Mobility, both migration and international trade, promotes our economic growth.

It must also be noted that Sweden is a small country on the edge of Europe with a climate that isn't altogether welcoming for part of the year. Sweden has therefore taken a leading role in international migration. When others lower the barriers, we open more roads. In the global competition for labor, Sweden should be able to attract the people who move across borders.

Sweden didn't seem to do too badly economically when the Swedes took responsibility for their own development rather than outsourcing it to others. But that traditional way of doing things doesn't fit the liberal concept of what a nation is - that it's a kind of multicultural workplace.

And so the Swedes have gone to an extreme of open borders - they are allowing employers to set their immigration policy. Here is Billström again:
Following reforms enacted in 2008, the prerequisites are in place for meeting the needs of the Swedish labour market by now allowing employers to decide what skills are needed at the company.

There's no public authority as well suited as the employers themselves for assessing those needs and therefore there are no restrictive quotas or no requirements for a specific skill or education level.

No quotas. No requirements for skills or education. What Sweden looks like in the future will be decided by employers, not by the Swedish parliament.

Liberals are making life a very small thing. What is thought to matter is labour force participation - above and beyond that doesn't seem to register much in the minds of liberal technocrats. And the only community we are thought to belong to is a global one of wandering labour resources.

Can this really last? Are people really going to be satisfied with such a trivialised material view of what life is about? And can a society really hold together when there is no sense of a loyalty to nation that transcends economics?

There are some Swedes who don't accept Billström's trivialising, dissolving concept of nation. I don't know much about the Sweden Democrats, so I can't endorse everything about them, but they have a more traditional concept of the nation and their support is growing: recent opinion polls put them as the third most popular party in Sweden.

A picture of the leader of the Sweden Democrats, Jimmie Åkesson:



38 comments:

  1. Sweden is finished Mark.Watching a civilization commit suicide is a horrible spectacle. The irruption in Sweden is just the latest manifestation of the blight infecting Western Europe.

    More immigrants should be allowed into Sweden in order to safeguard the welfare system. That’s the view of Pär Nuder, Sweden’s finance minister. However, in reality estimates indicate that immigration costs Sweden at least 40 to 50 billion Swedish kroner every year, probably several hundred billions, and has greatly contributed to bringing the Swedish welfare state to the brink of bankruptcy. An estimated cost of immigration of 225 billion Swedish kroner in 2004, which is not unlikely, would equal 17.5% of Sweden’s tax income that year, a heavy burden in a country where the overall tax burden between 1990 and 2005 on average was 61%, almost one and a half times the OECD average.
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/new-york-times-and-sweden-dark-side-of.html

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  2. Crazy, well the far right will rise in Sweeden to, the far right activists are having street battles with the Antifa. The far right also did well in there elections this year, this trend is happening all over Europe.

    Much to the horror of the Civic Nationalists. I prefer the racialists myself, as the Civics always seem to shift to the left, just like the Liberal right conservatives.

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  3. Our countries used to be a home for our people, our larger family. We had a say in who could enter our home, our house. Now our nations are just oversized malls, a place for potential consumers and employees, an international economic space.

    When our country was our home one could reasonably say keep out, this is our house, don't trespass. Now our nations belong to every potential consumer or employee and there will be no discrimination in this mall. Goodbye folkhemmet, hello Walmart.

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  4. Your quote from Billström is not representative for the current debate. The triumphalism on the part of the multiculturalists is gone and a creeping realization that the Swedes won't tolerate much more has followed.

    Let me take one example. The controversy about the prime minister's talk about "ethnic swedes" may read like a simple mistake by a person who doesn't understand the peculiar taboos of our glorious Orwellian present, but this is not the case. No living politician has done more to uphold those same taboos than the prime minister himself.
    http://www.thelocal.se/40844/20120515/

    What we have instead is a real fear of the people, perhaps for the first time in a hundred years. The events in Norway has done nothing to change the character of the debate among Swedes about multiculturalism, which is more hated than communism in the old Soviet bloc.

    I want to disagree with kman's comment. Sweden is not finished, though we are facing an existential threat. More appropriate is to say that multiculturalism and mass immigration is finished, not just in Sweden but in Europe as a whole. The more interesting question is whether liberalism and leftism can survive a defeat on this massive scale.

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  5. Anon,

    That's very eloquently stated.

    MJ,

    I hope you're right. I'll watch future developments in Sweden with much interest.

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  6. Marine Le Pen's far-right party surges in French parliamentary poll

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/marine-le-pens-far-right-party-surges-in-french-parliamentary-poll/story-e6frg6so-1226391105088

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  7. "I want to disagree with kman's comment. Sweden is not finished, though we are facing an existential threat. More appropriate is to say that multiculturalism and mass immigration is finished, not just in Sweden but in Europe as a whole. The more interesting question is whether liberalism and leftism can survive a defeat on this massive scale."

    European author Henrik Broder wrote "I don't think Europe know to do something besides to surrender. People have no idea what they are fighting for. We can't set the clock back, and I don't want Europe to give up on its Muslims. But when the Dutch justice minister says it is possible for Sharia to become the basis for Dutch laws and when in England there are independent Sharia courts – that's the end of European societu as we know it," he said.

    Swedish Minister of Integration Jens Orback, once said " We must be nice to Muslims now, so that when they are in the majority, they will be nice to us." (Actual quote: "We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”)

    "In other words, a government minister takes it as foreordained that Swedes will become a minority in Sweden, and Muslims the majority. To him, it's just a fact of life. It's not as if the indigenous population could do anything about it, or should want to do anything about it.
    Can this really be happening — a modern nation welcoming with smiley-face-button idiocy the replacement of its ethnic majority by another with utterly different and (sorry, Mr. Orback) supremely intolerant values? History is full of examples of one culture (oddly enough, often Muslim) conquering another by cannon and blade, but I cannot think of any precedent for a country just rolling over for an invasion it could easily put a stop to."...http://reflight.blogspot.com.au/2006/07/swedens-suicide-note.html

    It's veryl simple really, some of Sweden and Belgium’s largest cities now have Muslim majorities.the Swedes are simply being outbred while they allow large numbers of Muslims in to their country.

    Mark and MJ,I know it's hard to believe and you hope that it's all not true,but anyone who still can't see that there is absolutely no possible way that Sweden can ever recover from it's cultural suicide and not become a Muslim country with Sharia Law within 30 years, is on the same doomed Swedish national train as the poor misguided PC souls of Sweden.And unfortunately it is happening here as we allow tens of thousands of young Muslim men in from Africa and the Middle East.And some day we are going to pay very dearly for this, and all because people deny it can really happen.

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  8. When the nation is turned into the multicultural, multiracial workplace, there is less connection between people who were part of that nation and the workplaces of that nation.

    It doesn't make sense any more to think in terms of "national industries" and particular kinds of work in particular places as being characteristic of (and perhaps character-forming for) particular groups of more-or-less related people, and the products of those places as being a source of pride and identity for those people.

    Places can still be valuable as funky, "ethnic" multicultural or non-White tourist attractions, but in terms of the work being done there, why still care about them?

    The Word Trade Organization is promoting the “Made in the World” concept and logo.

    I agree with Old Rebel at Rebellion Blog:

    "The message we're supposed to absorb and adopt is that it's wrong to prefer products made in one's own country. Economic nationalism is just as eeeeevil as nationalism itself. So wanting goods that are the products of your own country is as wrong as wanting your neighbors to be "Made in the USA.""

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  9. I agree with that daybreak.

    "In Britain Tony Blair’s Labour government opened the doors to mass immigration, with the express intention of destroying our traditional culture, which was so hated by the Left wing. The cat was let out of the bag by Blair’s speechwriter, a Mr Andrew Neather, who said they wanted “to change the cultural face of Britain and to rub the noses of the right wing in “diversity.”

    ..Sounds like our national broadcasters, the ABC and SBS to me.

    "I am going to fight for Britain, but there is no guarantee that Britain and Europe can be saved, and if we go, and America goes shortly thereafter, then so goes Western Civilisation — the most humane, moral and decent civilisation in the history of mankind — to be replaced by Islam, the most barbaric, illiberal and totalitarian force of pathological cruelty that can only take the Western world back to the dark ages. So please America, don’t let what has happened to Britain happen to you. Watch, appraise, listen and learn..."
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/transforming-britain-into-lebanon.html

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  10. Its one thing to adopt multicultralism from a position of strength, "Sure bring them in, we're generous and successful and oh by the way we need workers", but what does it say when you adopt it from a position of weakness? "Um I don't really like what's going on but I don't think we can stop it".

    How can indiviudals and a society properly function when people feel no common alligience to each other?

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  11. Jimmie Åkesson looks like the kind of guy who is more loyal to his class than his nation. These upwardly mobile middle class types listen to international music, eat international food and want an international lifestyle, "Why shouldn't I be able to live and work in Denmark one minute and Honk Kong the next?". So they live their life moving about from country to country, among similar types of people, and don't see what the problem is.

    Those they're brining into their countries, however, don't share this internationalist approach and all the "education" in the world won't just shift people's sentiments and attachments.

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  12. One is also left wondering what are the ethnicities of the host nations to do? Here are some options:

    1. Isolate themselves from the new arrivals physically and intellectually. This is of course much easier if you have money.

    2. Attempt to absorb the new arrivals through engagement? This is with the aim of getting them to see things our way rather than vice versa. Doing this will inveitably result in some movement away from the original positions from both sides, thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.

    3. Surrender your culture and say this is the new reality? I sure hope not.

    4. Counter attack aggressively via the political sphere? This is of course very difficult and needs leaders who are willing to put in a colossal commitment, as well as a popular groundswell.

    5. Counter attack gradually with the aim of swinging existing political institutions away from these policies.

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  13. Ok last post. The irony is that brining in large scale immigrant arrivals will likely hasten the advent of Liberalism faster than any other phenomenon, because as people have less in common with each other in the public sphere they'll more readily embrace the value of indiviudalism.

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  14. Jesse the only option is option 3.
    Living in Sweden with a Muslim majority population under Sharia Law would be exactly like living as a minority in say Saudi Arabia with Sharia Law. There would no possible way to isolatate yourself, engage with anyone and countering aggressively will get you hanged or beheaded. Counter attack gradually? No hope!
    Just forever give up the beer or the red and get used to the mandatory 5 times a day prayer sessions and you may get to live.That is if you would still want to.

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  15. Kman,

    I'm not sure what the point of your inevitability thesis is.

    This is the moment we need to "remoralise" people not demoralise them.

    If you really believe that the end result is inevitable, then why say anything at all?

    I don't think it helps in places like this which are focused on organising some kind of counter-movement.

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  16. It helps to spell out the problems but we're here to promote solutions.

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  17. "Kman,

    I'm not sure what the point of your inevitability thesis is.

    This is the moment we need to "remoralise" people not demoralise them.

    If you really believe that the end result is inevitable, then why say anything at all?

    I don't think it helps in places like this which are focused on organising some kind of counter-movement."

    Mark what you posted is exactly what the problem is. "Let's not talk about it' It;s already to late for Sweden which I can see you can't accept, and how do you remoralise a country when they were never moralised to begin with?

    Jesse posts - "It helps to spell out the problems but we're here to promote solutions." OK Jesse tell me one, just one realistic real world solution that will save Sweden and Europe from it's inevitable subjagation to Islam? And even a civil war is not an option.How could you ever fight and enemy who will stopt nothing to achieve victory including using children as suicide bnombers?

    The reason I post this stuff is not for the Swedes who I doubt read this Australian blog and it would make no difference anyway, because if you fread Swedish newspapers they know damn well what's happening to their country and culture but they are just so brainwashed by the P.C.multiuculturists that they can't bring themselves to stand for themselves.

    As in my previous post..
    "a modern nation welcoming with smiley-face-button idiocy the replacement of its ethnic majority by another with utterly different and (sorry, Mr. Orback) supremely intolerant values? " So Mark how could my posts ever effect one way or the othee A country that has already surrendered?

    The real reason I post all this is to awaken my fellow Australians to whats happening here right now is exactly what has already happened in Europe, but like Mark nobody seems to care "Let's not talk about it and it will probably go away "Well sorry Mark it won't!


    A year ago or so Greg Sheridan "The Australian" wrote ..."It is absurd to slander the Australian people for being concerned about this unregulated flow of people, mostly from Afghanistan, the nation with perhaps the broadest and longest tradition of Islamist extremism. Some estimates are that all up 10,000 boat people will arrive this year. Until recently, 95 per cent were being granted, almost automatically, refugee status and permanent residency in Australia. Say next year there are 10,000 Afghan boatpeople and they are all accepted into Australia. With permanent residency there would come family reunion rights. Say then that each brings even three relatives over time. That would be 40,000 Afghans who were never part of a considered immigration program. It is entirely reasonable for the Australian people to be concerned about this..."
    And these are just Afghans boat people, many more come in by plane. Add the African Muslims and those from the Middle East and we will have a very large population of Muslims in this country and they will have huge families and we will be as the Swedes are today.

    The late Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn put his finger on the problem when he said: “The timid civilized world has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden revival of barefaced barbarity, other than concessions and smiles.”And the Cultural Marxists here will continue to push to open the gates and allow these barbarians to flood in even without documentation and with calls for them to be released immediately in to our communities and even our concerned citizens and our polies will keep on not wanting to talk about it, and it may all go away.

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  18. Kman quoted Solzhenitsyn as saying,

    “The timid civilized world has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden revival of barefaced barbarity, other than concessions and smiles"

    Well that's it, its a question of will not capacity. We are building up our collective nation's wills to oppose this, starting with our native populations. If on the other hand its said its all too late people won't direct their efforts though. Personally I don't want to lose Europe as a lesson to activate the Anglo Saxon countries and I'm not convinced everything in Europe that can be done is being done yet.

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  19. A recently released survey of Europeans about the impact of immigration by Ipsos shows that Sweden stands out somewhat from other European countries in having a slightly more positive attitude towards immigration than the rest.

    But even in Sweden 46% of adults agree there are too many immigrants vs 33% who disagree:

    http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2972/Global-dvisor-Survey-reveals-negative-attitudes-to-immigration.aspx

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  20. "If on the other hand its said its all too late people won't direct their efforts though".

    "and I'm not convinced everything in Europe that can be done is being done yet."

    "What efforts? And what can be done? As I said name just one thing that can possibly halt the Islamification of Europe -just one.

    And first people have to have the will and the Europeans don't,just like we in Australia who are allowing one boat to come in every day.If this continues to next election do you realize how many of these Muslims will be living among us?. Every one talks about it, but no one does anything because it's all just too horrible to contemplate, and so they live in denial hoping for a solution, just as you and Mark do Jesse.

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  21. and so they live in denial hoping for a solution, just as you and Mark do Jesse.

    Kman,

    Some people do close their eyes to what's happening because it's too much to take on. This sort of person isn't hoping for a solution, because they just want to live with the blinkers on.

    Others are ideologically committed to the changes in society, seeing them as just. This sort of person isn't hoping for a solution, because they don't think that what's happening is a problem.

    Trads are different. We recognise the problem and we do what we can to combat it. Our problem is that we don't have institutional support and are swimming against the stream in what we do. But we persevere, knowing that political opportunities continue to arise.

    Finally, I don't accept that the Europeans are entirely defeated yet. In both France and Sweden nationalists are the third largest party. The next step is to consolidate and then to try to become the second largest. It may not happen, but it could conceivably happen.

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  22. Yes indeed they have done well in France this election. In this game you do need faith and encouragement to keep you going through the tough times. Who said this was supposed to be easy?

    Its certainly very achievable to activate people around you all the time on this issue. Its also very possible to build up your skills and position so you can combat those from the opposition. Most people, on every major political issue, are semi neutral or persuadable either way and that is how you can make an impact. Find a place where you can make a contribution, such as a church, political club or politically sensitive workplace, and when you see improvements there you'll be more optimistic about your chances. This isn't a one person mission.

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  23. "We recognise the problem and we do what we can to combat it." OK so what are you personally doing to combat it?"

    Myself I write letters to the polies and post to the newspaper blogs to try and make people aware of the enormity of the disasterous results that will eventually befall us from this national suicide policy.

    It's just amazing how the left can organise marches of tens of thousands which include the ubiquitous Muslims against the wars, but the right does nothing when confronted with anything that may require some effort.And so the Muslims keep pouring in. Anyone who has children should be screaming bloody murder and organizing rallies against the unbelievable travesty that is happening now and which will eventually spiral in to Australia having a very large and dangerous seperate society of third world religous fanatics among us.You should be very, very worried about your kids future.

    In the U.K., one in four young British born Muslims sympathises with terrorists. Nearly a third of British Muslims, 32 per cent, believe that "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end"..And in the quest for our national suicide through third world cultural diversity,tens of thousands of young Muslims males from Africa and the Middle East are pouring in to this country be it by boat or plane. And this while the Federal government is spending ten million dollars in a counter-terrorism offensive in a bid to rescue young people involved in violent extremist groups who pose potential terrorism threats... The Cultural Marxists demand the Government waive all I.D. checks and allow these so called "asylum seekers" released immediately in to our communities - And one day Australian citizens wil pay very dearly for this insanity.

    "Finally, I don't accept that the Europeans are entirely defeated yet. In both France and Sweden nationalists are the third largest party. The next step is to consolidate and then to try to become the second largest. It may not happen, but it could conceivably happen."

    I reiterate.You don't accept what is inevitable and there lays the problem. The Muslim population of Europe in 2010 was 44.1 million.And these Muslims have huge families (more kids -more welfare) and they are outbreeding their hosts 3 at least, plus to 1, and Muslims are still pouring in to Europe and nothing is done.

    "The second largest"?.And what possible difference would it make what party was in actual power? If Starlin was in power even he could do nothing. What could you do - deport the ones not born there? Wage a civil war? NATO can't even keep them contained in Afghanistan -what would be the chances when they live amongst the general population in European cities and towns?..Zip!

    If and when accept you accept the hard truth that Europe is doomed then maybe you will really recognise the problem and do what you can to combat it.

    Oh and Jesse.
    "Find a place where you can make a contribution, such as a church, political club or politically sensitive workplace, and when you see improvements there you'll be more optimistic about your chances. This isn't a one person mission".
    Yeah in the real world that's really going to make a difference. And no it's not a one person mission, but it sure feels like it.

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  24. The left didn't just dominate our social politics it took decades of effort, as will this. You did get right wing rallies on the carbon tax which is a relatively new activity for the right. Not to mention the famous Cronulla event which only turned into a "riot" afterwards. Its not the right's natural inclination to do rallies and people power, however, these activities spring out of deeper political currents and we are contributing to that on this blog.

    On the issue of micropolitics yes it does help if you can influence your immediate environment as this is how movements grow.

    I know one guy who painted a mural in Sydney critising the Burkha and Islam. He wasn't a natural right winger but was opposed to the influence of Islam so stuff is happening.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ban-the-burqa-mural-not-anti-muslim-says-artist/story-e6freuy9-1225928451622

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  25. Please don't say "if it takes decades of effort it'll be too late". It'll take a long time to change the culture but we don't have to have a total change to start limiting immigration.

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  26. Kman,

    There's a lot that could be done.

    a) Change the immigration streams. Block further immigration from some countries and encourage it from others.

    b) Redesign welfare policies to prevent their abuse.

    c) Voluntary repatriation incentives.

    If and when accept you accept the hard truth that Europe is doomed then maybe you will really recognise the problem and do what you can to combat it.

    Kman, talking about inevitable doom doesn't motivate people, it demoralises them. It just makes them want to put the blinkers on.

    The irony of what you're arguing is that there are at least options for Swedes and Frenchmen to support at a national level - something we currently lack here.

    What's needed is for these challenging parties to push their way into the established political framework - something that the current parties will fight against tooth and nail.

    It's not a sure thing that they'll succeed - but there's a chance. It's worthwhile for Swedes and Frenchmen to give it a good go.

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  27. I also want to add something to what Jesse has argued.

    When people realise the enormity of what's happening in the West, the instinct is to want an immediate end to it. You want to shout out about what's happening and make people wake up and do something.

    And so some people put in a big six months or twelve months and then, when results don't follow, they bow out.

    The really deep change we need won't work like this. We're up against an established political *culture*. If we're serious we need to set against it a kind of counter-culture.

    What do we really have in Australia right now to do this? Not a lot. We have no mass media, no schools, no churches, no political parties, no political foundations.

    There are some websites and forums - but we don't quite have the numbers on the ground yet to get beyond this.

    The sooner we can get to the next stage the better, but it requires at least a dozen people in each capital city who are willing to stick around, i.e. who see regular political activity as something that is an ongoing part of their life.

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  28. Just one more point. Below is Sergio Redegalli's, the anti-burqua painter's, webpage and Wikipedia page. If you live in Sydney drop by his studio in Newtown to say hello and offer your moral support. He isn't a natural trad but he is openly taking on the Muslims and hard lefties in his area and is certainly deserving of support. Thanks.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Redegalli
    http://cydoniaglass.com.au/

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  29. Well I can see you obviously can not accept the inevitable truth as you put forward your ideas of stopping immigration etc. even though Europe has been attempting to do this for decades and you can see the result.

    "Kman, talking about inevitable doom doesn't motivate people, it demoralises them. It just makes them want to put the blinkers on."
    Yes but in our case in Oz it may awaken those who can actually do something about it. And Mark with all due respect I doubt if there are any Europeans reading this blog. but what hope is there for Europe when their polies spout this..

    "Leading liberal intellectuals and academics have shown a striking willingness to betray liberal values when it comes to pacifying Muslims. In 2001, Unni Wikan, a distinguished Norwegian cultural anthropologist and Islam expert, responded to the high rate of Muslim-on-infidel rape in Oslo by exhorting women to "realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

    In 2007, Norway's most celebrated lawyer, Tor Erling Staff, argued that the punishment for Muslim honor-killings should be lighter than for other murders, on the theory that it would be arrogant for Westerners to expect Muslim men to conform to Western norms. In 2006, the Dutch minister of justice Piet Hein Donner said that if voters wanted to bring sharia to the Netherlands—where Muslims will soon be a majority in major cities—“it would be a disgrace to say, ‘This is not permitted!’ ” ....http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=66
    As I said with a P.C.mindset like this prevailing in Europe what hope did they ever have?

    "The irony of what you're arguing is that there are at least options for Swedes and Frenchmen to support at a national level - something we currently lack here."

    I thought I made it as clear as I could that there are NO options for Europe but there are options for us if we act immediately and halt all Muslim immigration now!However we all know that is not going to happen, so down the track we eventually will also have a Muslim majority and the longer we take to stop all M.E.immigration the sooner we will be a minority.
    Anyway this topic has been flogged to death I gave it my best shot but to no avail, so watch the following video which I found this am and tell me what you think.. Keep in mind that Dawkins is an atheist.

    Richard Dawkins and the End of Western Civilization
    John on April 30, 2009
    Within about 40 years, Islam overtakes Europe. This video presents the numbers:
    http://www.chowk.com/echoboom/iLogs/life/End-of-Western-Civilization-INSHA-ALLAH

    " " It'll take a long time to change the culture but we don't have to have a total change to start limiting immigration." "I know one guy who painted a mural in Sydney critising the Burkha and Islam. He wasn't a natural right winger but was opposed to the influence of Islam so stuff is happening. "
    So exactly what stuff is happening Jesse? Hats off to that guy when he did this brave act, however when he did this we were getting a boat a week, now we are get a boat every day so what did he actually accomplish? Absolutely nothing! And as it's now all over the Middle East thanks to the "Genius of Australian multiculturism" Chris Bowen and Julia Gillard is that you can throw away your passport and come to Oz where you will get a free home and free money every week from the government and never ever have to work. Watch the video Jesse and see how it all really is.

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  30. Oh come on the boats would stop coming within a month of an Abbott Liberal election win, as they stopped under Howard, and thats only a year away. Abbott is probably unlikely to be a champion on all aspects of the immigration front in the short term but he'll certainly do that and its been a front and centre policy of the party for several elections in a row now.

    If some leftie liberal makes an ambit claim about honour killings that isn't the que to say its all over, we aren't dependent on what they do and say and can build up rival arguments, criticisms and people in authority to counter them. When people in fact make such claims thats the opportunity to point out how out of touch with average people's expectations they are.

    This guy's act with the mural didn't accomplish nothing, it achieved widespread press coverage and activated a number of political leaders, such as members of the Liberal party and Fred Nile to speak widely on this issue. It also activated his local Marrickville community, many of whom supported it. Pushing against the opposition is how politics works and that requires effort and staying power.

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  31. "Oh come on the boats would stop coming within a month of an Abbott Liberal election win, as they stopped under Howard, and thats only a year away."
    Only a year away?

    Hmmm. One boat per day for 365 days equals 20 to 30,000 more Muslims at the very least. Then add the large family that they can legally bring in and you have over 100,000 more Muslims in the country. And as they have an average of 5 children per couple do you realise why there is no such option as "effort and staying power"? And don't forget to add the 20,000 who have come in already since labor came to power.Then add their future legal families that will soon follow.And of course at the same time, thousands more are coming in all the time legally by plane. - and you talk of long time solutions?

    "This guy's act with the mural didn't accomplish nothing, it achieved widespread press coverage and activated a number of political leaders, such as members of the Liberal party and Fred Nile to speak widely on this issue. It also activated his local Marrickville community, many of whom supported it. Pushing against the opposition is how politics works and that requires effort and staying power."

    You just don't get it do you? What the hell has that done to stop one single boat or Muslim coming here? What difference does a few people in Marrickville supporting him? And as for Fred NIle I haven't seen him come out an make a stand on this subject.

    I am wasting my time debating this issue with you, as I have posted over and over, there is no time as even if all Muslim immigration stopped today this country has a big problem coming it's way, and the more that people waste their time talking about pie in the sky long time solutions and actually doing nothing, just brings it all the much faster.

    And you could not have watched that video and actually posted this stuff. It does however the malaise and complacency by the public on this issue just as the Europeans have, and that's why Australia just like Europe will be on track to be an Islamic country before the half century.

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  32. One last thing.
    The federal government is actually advertising for asylum seekers.Best triple the number of boats coming in the next year!

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-advertising-for-asylum-seekers/comments-e6freuy9-1226396400079

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  33. Well a solution in a year is better than no solution at all, and the way Labor are travelling there might be an election before that.

    Ok so this guy rouses a few people in Marrickville, he then runs for Marrickville Council. Assuming he wins I don't know exactly what he can do from that office, but these are the sort of tactics the left have been pursuing for decades. It wasn't that long ago that things like global warming would have been laughed at and now they've front and centre of the national debate. Sorry the left have become powerful in our societies because they've been consistently pushing at it for some time.

    Running about like Cassandra only achieves so much. This issue is increasingly on the agenda in Western socieites which is why the French far right parties vote is up and why soft right parties like Sakozy's are loosing support. Our church converts muslims btw and complainging that more people are going the other way isn't really productive as what we need are activist westerners not merely complainers. A visible absence of culturaly confident westerners has been one of the reasons for our situation.

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  34. And Mark with all due respect I doubt if there are any Europeans reading this blog.

    The blog is mostly read by Australians and Americans, but about 15% are from Europe.

    The federal government is actually advertising for asylum seekers.

    Here's what frustrates me. The comments following that story are great - there is outrage, talk of betrayal and a determination to kick out Gillard.

    But Abbott will only be marginally better. The Libs are likely to be better on border protection, but official immigration will remain high.

    It's been like this for a couple of generations now - nowhere for the better instincts of the rank and file to go.

    So it's not just a question of waking people up - there is at least a proportion of people angry already - but of beginning to break out of the left-liberal vs right-liberal impasse.

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  35. Mark I should have elaborated on the main point in the entire debate.

    " Kman talking about inevitable doom doesn't motivate people, it demoralises them. It just makes them want to put the blinkers on."

    A patient, Mr.Australia comes in to see Dr.Kman as he is not feeling that well. Dr.Kman checks him out and tells Mr.Australia- "You have a terminal condition called muslitis, but if we act immediately and agressively we can extend your life by at least 3 times. First we must act today to stop the entry of the boat bacteria entering your system." Mr. Australia says "Thanks doc for being honest and I agree, let's do it!

    Another scenario sees Mr.Australia going to Dr.Mark who checks him out and realises the gravity of his patients condition, but because Dr. Mark believes that
    "talking about inevitable doom doesn't motivate people, it demoralises them. It just makes them want to put the blinkers on.-so "Dr.Mark doesn't tell his patient the truth,instead tells his patient to "hang in there and everything will be OK and you will get better."

    Another scenario sees Mr.Australia going to see Dr.Jesse who also realises that his patient is sick but doesn't believe it's that bad. So Dr.Jesse says "Running about like Cassandra only achieves so much, so why don't you go see Rev.Fred Nile and he will pray for you" "Oh and drop by Marrickville, some motivating people live there"

    We all know that what's happening re this, it's just obvious we have very different ways we think it should be dealt with. Me, I am sticking with Dr.Kman!

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  36. Lol! Please allow the occasional moment of levity.

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  37. "hang in there and everything will be OK and you will get better."

    It disturbs me you got that impression from reading the blog as my belief is that if things go on in the same way nothing of our tradition will survive.

    Let me repeat:

    It's not just a case of waking up and getting angry. It's what you do with that anger. People get very passionate about supporting either the Labor or the Liberal Party without recognising the limitations of these parties.

    What's needed is anger/passion + political clarity.

    There's very little of this which is why we're in the difficult situation we're in.

    And I don't think that telling Europeans that they're doomed and there's nothing they can do is either accurate or helpful.

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  38. "And I don't think that telling Europeans that they're doomed and there's nothing they can do is either accurate or helpful."

    Mark I have tried to make it clear as possible that I don't care about the Europeans, I am doing it for Australia and we need to make it very clear to our citizens what awaits them eventually, and it will be much sooner if we don't immediately stop these tens of thousands of Muslims entering the country. It's hardly rocket science and talking about going the long term political route blah,blah, blah is not going to do it - there must be a revolt right now by the citizenry to immediately stop these boats.

    Re "telling Europeans that they're doomed and there's nothing they can do" Even if say 1000 or 100,000 Europeans read this blog, every day in Sweden and indeed Europe, people read their daily newspapers and watch TV and they see on a daily basis the extreme barbaric rapes, murders and mutilations from their Muslim immigrants, and for the demands for more this and more special privileges on that. And they see that their polies are doing absolutely nothing but caving in to these barbaric third world phsycos, so anything they read here will do absolutely nothing to change their mindset or do anything anything to stop the inevitable.

    As someone said- "Contemporary Western culture has tended to ignore, euphemize, and whitewash the violent, hate-driven objectives of Islamic jihad – trying to downplay a permanent offensive whose ultimate aim is to impose Islam on the entire world as the only true religion."

    Incidentally if Germany or the Soviets had won the war and we were living under their rule, certain ethnic groups would have been eliminated but over a period of 50, 100 years I believe that ultimately freedom and democracy would eventually win over as we saw in Russia when Yeltsin and Gorby came to power.

    Unfortunately with these religous nut cases who would hang children, or slit their wives or daughter throats, or use children as bombers (not by suicide -but murdered because they have np choice)
    I see no way that these extreme crazies would ever relent their power over their disciples or even if their disciples would want it any other way.

    I am outa here!

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