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| Asher Keddie & Kat Stewart |
But there is one aspect of the show which grates. Offspring brings delayed family formation into prime time.
The show is relationships focused. One sister (Keddie) is still dating inappropriate men; the other (Stewart) is partnered to an arty type of inner city man and is attempting to embark on motherhood.
The problem is that Keddie is a 37-year-old actress and Stewart is 38. The character played by Keddie is not really grown up yet. Nor is she choosing men she might reasonably end up marrying.
So we're expected to sit down and watch two actresses in their late 30s in the midst of dating and relationships drama you would more reasonably expect from women in their 20s.
What's more, the show plays to the vanities of "late bloomer" women by showing them going out with younger men (Stewart's on screen partner is played by a 34-year-old man; the Keddie character is going out with a young intern).
If the answer to this is "it's just a TV show, it's not real life, no-one would take the message seriously", then I'd point to the real life circumstances of both actresses. This is how things stand with Kat Stewart:
Stewart .... hopes to have a family. "That's something I definitely want to do," she says. "I do love children. In five years' time, it would be nice to have a kid or two."
She admits starting a family isn't something she'd given a lot of thought to until recently... But given she'll turn 39 in November, she's all too aware that priorities now have to be made. [Sunday Herald Sun Magazine, June 12, 2011]
Priorities now have to be made? She's about to turn 39! As for Asher Keddie, she still, at age 37, hasn't made up her mind about children:
Keddie has always been open about the fact she isn’t sure if children are on the cards. “I feel so good about the way life is unfolding with my incredible husband. We’re living the life we always wanted and I just don’t know if children are going to be part of it.”
Which makes her curious as to why the question keeps coming up. “Why do people want to know? I don’t care if people want to have kids or not. But I’m not sure how I feel about it, so to discuss it any further would feel too personal, I suppose.”
I think it's a pity. Here we have two intelligent, attractive, married women and it's possible that neither of them will become mothers because the whole issue of motherhood has been pushed back in their lives to such a late age.
18 comments:
You should be happy, its culling the liberal herd. I'm pretty sure those Asian traditionalists will cover their loss.
Stupid, feminazi, man-hating bitches like that do NOT deserve to reproduce! I'm with Anon1030 on this one; when stupid bitches like that don't reproduce, it CULLS the liberal, PC, fascist herd-a good thing for all of us.
I am confused about whether they are married or not. Up top it says keddie is dating and stewart is "partnered" (whatever that means) but at the bottom it says they are both married.
Whatever the case, I see cats in their futures...
They are not man-hating, just dumb followers of liberal autonomy theory.
They may start hating men when they get dumped for younger, fertile women, heh heh.
Hey Mark,
Well first off you must realize that acting is a career in which women that are like me get culled back in Drama School. My drama teachers/casting agents sniffed me out like wolves and that's actually how I started seeing "the bigger picture" of how things worked and became the wonderful evil OzCon Commenter that I am today.
So these two actresses are not representative of the overall population.
BUT...Since I am over the hill now that my birthday was last week..(FTR I look like a teenager still and when I was 25 I was submitted for roles of like highschool students...most men thought I was underage!)
The age of having sex the first time is highly heritable.
Now obviously I don't know much about my parents...but I do know that one of their ages was quite high. Like really high. And the other was pretty darn high too.
So....if that is heritable...Then it would be no suprise that I would get married sometime in my 30s.
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Thoughts?
Anon,
Its one thing to get married in your thirties its another to keep pushing childhood back and back or barely think about it. If your mindset is like that you'll start thinking, why even have kids? Dirty nappies and demands on your time, if you want to live la vida loca they're a nightmare. We do have to show women other role models than this or else they'll be busy doing offspring stuff until its left too late. By the way in answer to the question "why it is anyone's business whether I have kids or not?". Well is it anyone's business whether you get a Logie (Emmy)? If you got one you'd be trumpeting that everywhere, well kids are a far bigger and prouder accomplishment than a stupid tv show.
I am confused about whether they are married or not.
The characters are not married, though one has a partner (a bloke she is living with long-term but not married to). The actresses are both married.
You should be happy, it's culling the liberal herd.
The problem is that whatever the middle-class Anglo liberals decide is the new life script tends to become the norm for middle-class Anglo life in general - at least here in Australia it does.
So if you're a more traditionalist Anglo middle-class man, what are you supposed to do if the women you'd like to date have decided it's fashionable to leave marriage and motherhood till their late 30s?
Stupid, feminazi, man-hating bitches like that do NOT deserve to reproduce!
I'd leave that for the leaders. Asher Keddie and Kat Stewart aren't political leaders or theorists. They've picked up on trends in modern society that are likely to deprive them of the chance to have children.
Yes, it has a detrimental impact on men. When these women defer serious family commitments to so late in life, it usually means that they reject offers from perfectly good men when they are younger.
So we have to convince the next generation of women not to make the same mistakes. It's going to be one of the fronts in the next round of the culture wars.
We need to take the time to explain our position.
acting is a career in which women that are like me get culled back in Drama School.
You were thought not adequately left-wing?
So....if that is heritable...Then it would be no suprise that I would get married sometime in my 30s.
In a normal society you'd be married already, regardless of genetic predispositions.
No, I don't think it has much to do with genetics. You're living in a culture which makes family formation difficult. You have to persevere, though, regardless of the unnecessary obstacles put in your way. We don't have the choice of waiting for a non-liberal culture to appear and to put things right. We have to deal with things as they are for the time being.
if that is heritable...Then it would be no suprise that I would get married sometime in my 30s.
Genes do not control you. At most they influence you. Unfortunately, today the greatest influence is the crazy liberal dogma that women should "have fun" and focus on education and career in their 20s and 30s, and leave family until the late 30s if at all.
If you don't have a kid yet... make it happen! It doesn't get any easier as you get older.
"Stupid, feminazi, man-hating bitches like that do NOT deserve to reproduce!
I'd leave that for the leaders. Asher Keddie and Kat Stewart aren't political leaders or theorists."
I think its a mistake to see these actresses are simply pretty faces going along with whichever ideas are dominant. They are quite open in their feminist ideas. The statement, "whether I have children or not is nobody else's business" is a classic feminist one that society shouldn't pressure women, or have a stake, in whether they have children.
Keddie's recent television hit in playing Ita Buttrose, a newly discovered feminist icon, was feminist hagiography. So now Ita through her magazine Cleo apparently didn't just get women to shop but also gave them their freedom. These actresses know what they're doing, and they act it out in their careers and lives. Should you look at their bookshelves they'd be full of feminist theory and if asked they would support it wholeheartedly. After all so much of feminist theory is designed for them, go-getting, and fun loving, career types who spurn or have little regard for family creation.
It's a good and encouraging trend that left-liberals and right-liberals reproduce little to zero due to their ideology (environmentalism and feminism). All that is needed is capturing the arts, academia and perhaps media.
Unfortunately, today the greatest influence is the crazy liberal dogma that women should "have fun" and focus on education and career in their 20s and 30s, and leave family until the late 30s if at all.
Since college degrees are mostly worthless nowadays (in the academic sense) it's probably advisable for students to do vocational degrees, at a community/state college (cheaper) and in a short period of time. They can also obtain university degrees online (shorter and more efficient). I will study only 3-4 years at college while simultaneously looking for a husband. I'm 18 now so I guess I will finish at 23 and be married at 24-25.
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Note: I will not start looking at 23 for a husband but sooner...when I start college next year. I'll be 19 by then.
I'm so far removed from this mindset that its hard to imagine these are actual thinking people. They talk about having children as if kids are pet dogs or cats. Are either of these women married ? A child should have a mother AND father. At their age, its too late biologically/genetically. Downs syndrome, for one dysfunction, is much more likely at affect an older mother's offspring. They should just carry on with their lives as mental and emotional teenagers.
It's possible for a 40 year old woman to find a man, marry and start a family - my wife's best friend did it. But she had to totally change her life - leave San Francisco and her glamorous career with Apple to go to Atlanta, where she had family and there are a decent number of marriageable men. And of course her standards for marriageability had to be a lot lower than in her '20s, when she could have had her pick. But she did it, she's a married mother now.
'They are quite open in their feminist ideas. The statement, "whether I have children or not is nobody else's business" is a classic feminist one that society shouldn't pressure women, or have a stake, in whether they have children.'
@ Jesse_7: This is probably neither here nor there, but in my honest opinion, it is libel to denigrate two great actresses ("feminazi bitches")on false assumptions. I DON'T think that it is anybody's business whether Keddie has children or not, nor do I think this is purely a feminist concern. Rather, it involves the right to distinguish a boundary between the private and public spheres. I figure that this would be all the more important to Keddie given the scrutiny of the media in the lives of celebrities. In regards to some of the concerns about women starting families later in life, I respectfully disagree. The trend is not that women necessarily have children in their late 30's and 40's, but that they shouldn't be denigrated for having done so. It's not about being "a mental teenager" and it's ludicrous to group both "having fun" and focusing on "education and career" in the same negative boat, so to speak. Isn't learning a worthy pursuit? (and isn't working?) call me an idealist but I'd like to believe that education is about more than gaining qualifications for work, so I really don't resent women for spending more time in uni. I find it abhorrent that some of the comments are so accusatory, insulting and sexist. Even if one does lament the erosion of the family values put forward, such criticisms could just as well be leveled at the male population.
I DON'T think that it is anybody's business whether Keddie has children or not
If it is part of a larger social trend (which it is: 43% of uni educated women aged 33 to 46 have not had children), then of course it is our business. It means that the Western middle class is failing to reproduce. Unless you're such an individualist that you think that only one person or one generation matters, then it ought to be a great concern.
The trend is not that women necessarily have children in their late 30's and 40's, but that they shouldn't be denigrated for having done so.
I don't really understand the point you are making here, but you go on to defend the idea of people pursuing education.
I agree that the pursuit of education is generally to be commended. But that can happen in the period 18 to 25. It doesn't explain why a woman would delay deciding about motherhood until her late 30s.
G´day:
Interesting text!
I´ve admiring the great actress Asher Keddie for a long time...
Some of her films were a hit in my country - FORTESS/THE LAST FRONTIER/LOVE MY WAY/REDBALL; she was good - and seems to be a nice person.
Well, I read she is ALREADY 37: and I know she was born in 1974 (same year as me!)... So she is older than me; I´ll turn 37 in December. And does anyone know her birthday?
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Life must be so damn easy to be a man or a woman where everything just falls into place. Children are not for everyone and that's OK. I'm a 38 year old woman and can't have children and get so down and suffocated by everyone judging me for not reproducing without knowing the story behind why I'm childless. As a woman, you are judged if you become a mother too early and judged if you leave it too late. You have about a 10 year window of when it is socially acceptable to reproduce when the fact is it is NO-ONES BUSINESS!! Stop being all moralistic and just concentrate on your own lives. Life is too bloody hard as it is for a lot of us and most of it is as a result of smug people covering their own insecurities by judging everyone else. Butt out and respect people no matter how they live their own lives. There is no rule book and some of us are just plain unlucky to get dealt a crap hand in life and are trying our hardest just to get through each day. Children or not.
Anon,
I'm sorry you've had troubles having children. But you're wrong when you say that the issue of reproduction is nobody's business. First, it causes hurt when people are unnecessarily hindered from starting families. Second, a community has an interest in there being another generation to carry things on.
So a community has to try to ease the path to family formation rather than complicating it. Our society doesn't do a good job of this. We encourage too much of a delay, making the available time frame too short. It's something that has to be criticised, so that the next generation doesn't experience the same problems.
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