tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post847482211303123395..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: In defence of identityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56241931685225320942018-10-02T03:26:32.024+10:002018-10-02T03:26:32.024+10:00I would say that is in our genes.
Whites are simp...I would say that is in our genes.<br /><br />Whites are simply more empathic as a group than other races. Taking that into account anything that could be associated to "harm" to our group would be berated by our own empathic instinc. So now take outsider groups and categorize them as "part of the group" and take the self interest of the original group and categorize it as "harmfull to the group" and there you go.<br /><br />The empathy of the west being hijacked and taken advantage of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24582469648812327222018-08-23T06:16:30.802+10:002018-08-23T06:16:30.802+10:00Maybe he's cryptically offering a way to get t...Maybe he's cryptically offering a way to get to the same place *without* showing your colors. Buck Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-60944175339741222018-07-27T08:21:44.333+10:002018-07-27T08:21:44.333+10:00I fear right-liberal demagogues and gurus.
Yes, e...<i>I fear right-liberal demagogues and gurus.</i><br /><br />Yes, even though they are pulling some people out of a complacent leftism, they are probably our greatest danger right now in the sense that they might possibly corral another wave of dissent safely within liberal boundaries. We have to do what we can to try to match it with them.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-34945945690927854492018-07-26T13:43:32.447+10:002018-07-26T13:43:32.447+10:00According to Peterson " things are way better...<em>According to Peterson " things are way better than they once were in almost every manner conceivable".</em><br /><br />He seems to be an extreme materialist and an extreme individualist. There's no other way anyone could seriously claim everything is better now than it was.<br /><br />It further confirms my view that there is no such thing as moderate liberalism. Once you go down the liberalism rabbit-hole there's no way back. You have to keep accepting crazier and crazier ideas.<br /><br />Peterson is clearly deluded and useless, but he also sounds quite dangerous. I fear right-liberal demagogues and gurus.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6552161882759373082018-07-26T03:18:28.769+10:002018-07-26T03:18:28.769+10:00Anonymous, I agree totally. "Free market"...Anonymous, I agree totally. "Free market" as is "free trade", is a myth. You and I enjoy the "free and unfettered" exchange of vegetables over the fence (regulated in height, material and location) between our backyard gardens isn't free trade. We don't own the land deeded in our names, mortgage or not, the state does. Deed or not, stop paying the taxes and see who actually possesses that property. Everything is touched by the state, and state turns every so-called free trade into regulated commerce. Buck Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-77329239574669110132018-07-26T03:16:32.222+10:002018-07-26T03:16:32.222+10:00White men seem to be choking on their words. They&...White men seem to be choking on their words. They're choking in both metaphorical senses, the physical and the sport's. The question seems to be growing; are we choking on our own words because we are white? Have whites run out their string and lost their mojo? With some exceptions, whites are hopelessly conflicted and confused about what to do. <br /><br />Modern liberalism infects and debilitates white Western men more so than less Western white men, and certainly less than non-whites, it seems. Is it a bad mix of hubris and guilt and complacency? The Peter Principle? Or is it in our genes? Is that all one and the same?<br /><br />It seems that it is only individual white men, not any particular nation or group of family of men that are doing what they say needs to be done. They are mostly destroyed for it. <br /><br />Maybe it's just the natural order of things, that whites are meant to wither on the civilizational vine, since it's (now) said that whites don't actually have white roots. We do seem to have an aversion to collecting and to tribes, since they are seen as groups of haters and radicals and nationalists. <br /><br />I don't know what Peterson really thinks about his own whiteness. Maybe he's trying to spin his way out or slow a situation that he believes is already out of hand. Maybe he's cryptically offering a way to get to the same place with showing your colors. <br /><br />Whites are not going to do what they know needs doing, as whites. That underlays Mark's point. Maybe Peterson thinks the same. <br /><br />Pockets of resistance and random holding patterns are not pointless, but they're not going to slow or stop the inevitable demographic tsunami slowly swamping the white race. It's going to take a while. We won't see it. But, I've heard not a single idea that holds out the slightest promise of anything like a resurgent white re-population that even comes close to maintaining the current balance, much less recouping recent historically losses in the West. Whites are near only 10% of the Earth's population, and that percentage is shrinking in real numbers while the 90% is growing in real numbers. Do the math and make a casual forecast. <br /><br />Otherwise though, if Peterson is all in on individual sovereignty - men not focused primarily on their race - does that mean that he's all for the radical individual autonomy that modern liberals claim in their attempt to escape the natural order of being? <br /><br />Marks defense of group identity is superb, as usual. Buck Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-13806073212170078582018-07-26T03:15:33.221+10:002018-07-26T03:15:33.221+10:00I only know of Peterson's thinking as I hear o...I only know of Peterson's thinking as I hear of it here. <br /><br />Whether or not Peterson believes that self-interest is an ideal ideal, he acts in self-interest. He can't do otherwise. If he's mistaken or wrong then he simply acts in error. Even self-destructive behavior is self-interested, unless you're possessed by evil, which means it isn't actually you. <br /><br />Peterson's tweet sounds somewhat like the opposite of U.S. president Obama's "you didn't build that" slam against accomplishment. <br /><br />If your world is a remote jungle village deep in the Amazon, do you thank the the tribe and your ancestors as you contemplate what you've done? Do Bill Gates and Michael Jordan contemplate a need to be proud, or a feeling of pride in their respective races? Who should Michael Jordan be proud of? White Canadian Dr. James Naismith, the YMCA or the NBA established in 1946, all by white men? Or his African genes? How about baseball's Frank Aaron? Thank the Confederate States of America for causing the spread of the new game of baseball that replaced cricket and became the national pass-time because of the American Civil War? Or thank his African genes?<br /><br />The idea that individual accomplishments don't or shouldn't take place without a conscious or acknowledged nod to one's race - something not chosen or consented to, and not done specifically in support of or out of pride for - and has to be seen as a forced attempt at solo development, is lost on me. <br /><br />The history of the West is that of all sorts of clashes between opposing individuals, nations, tribes and visions between and among various Europeans who colonized, cleansed, and enslaved others and their own, along with the other who did the same. Western civilization accomplished all sorts of material innovations and established a variety schemes and institutions. Was racial pride the cardinal driver of the history of white European civilization? Is Peterson saying something as simple as "no, there is much more to it than that."?<br /><br />Peterson seems, by what you've quoted, to be saying, as he said, that "Your group identity is not your cardinal feature." That isn't wrong. My whiteness isn't my cardinal feature. I have no doubt that I'm different in a host of more important ways from other white men. My pride in being 99.9% British/Irish and in knowing that my father's mother was the niece of Jefferson Davis, does not supersede my manhood, fatherhood, and personal integrity. Men of every race and civilization honestly feel the same. My being white isn't my cardinal feature, though I am nothing but proud to be white. Is my pride stronger or better than that of any man of any other race or ethnicity?<br /><br />I do take an honest pride in the civilizational standard set by white Europeans in the West. That's not a question and I also don't take it for granted. But, in living my life it's like the air that I breath. Until it's missing, I don't think about unless I'm choking.<br /><br />Buck Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84749164099748916512018-07-24T19:01:51.136+10:002018-07-24T19:01:51.136+10:00There is no such thing as a "free market"...There is no such thing as a "free market", the latter being engineered through the interventions of the state on behalf of vested interests. The "free market" is therefore a euphemism for state backed corporatism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55776834218838354542018-07-24T18:48:22.002+10:002018-07-24T18:48:22.002+10:00All major cultures recognise the individual and hi...All major cultures recognise the individual and his dignity. Where the West differs from other cultures in its concept of individualism is the aggrandisement and idolatry of the individual to the extent that individual rights and interests are elevated above the rights and interest of the groups of family, tribe, nation and race. This contrasts with the norm in which the individual is subservient and his rights secondary to the group. In other words the interests of society and family take precedence over those of the individual. <br /><br />Individualism serves as a tool, like socialism and communism to weaken and impoverish the family, tribe and nation and empower elites. In all of these systems, control of family business and wealth disappears and passes to the corporation. The end result of an individualist society is serfdom for the masses which is the reason why no other civilisation will be foolish enough to follow it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30883136643947280652018-07-24T09:19:14.800+10:002018-07-24T09:19:14.800+10:00"When we are forced to attempt a solo develop..."When we are forced to attempt a solo development, we truncate who we are as individuals."<br /><br />Yes, and under those circumstances we are likely truncating the identity and accomplishments of others around us because the group effort is frowned upon.<br /><br />I think Peterson is afraid of the (sometimes very real) dangers of people arranged in a united front, in competition with similar groups. As you stated here very effectively, the benefits and risks of both individual and group expression are necessary and inherent in the development of the West. I don't believe our forebears, excluding nihilist philosophers, ever sat around envisioning ways to abolish group identity completely. They saw the dangers as inescapably part of human nature. leadpbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08957439101293478340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-3816399155226363292018-07-24T07:15:31.396+10:002018-07-24T07:15:31.396+10:00dfordoom, reading some of Peterson's recent tw...dfordoom, reading some of Peterson's recent tweets he seems to see the free market as the engine of human progress. According to Peterson " things are way better than they once were in almost every manner conceivable".Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18710407291250575302018-07-24T02:13:17.929+10:002018-07-24T02:13:17.929+10:00The right-liberals mystify me.
To a right-liberal...<em>The right-liberals mystify me.</em><br /><br />To a right-liberal money is the measure of all things. They waffle on about liberty and individual dignity and the pursuit of happiness but in fact they reduce everything to a monetary value. The success of a society is measured by money. The success of an individual is measured by money. Immigration means economic growth and that means more money so it's a good thing.<br /><br />It's an extreme materialist position so if this clown Peterson claims not to be a materialist but he's still a right-liberal he's either stupid or dishonest. But then he is a psychologist isn't he? Which means he almost certainly is both stupid and dishonest.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-9748549671594719972018-07-23T19:25:59.909+10:002018-07-23T19:25:59.909+10:00When Peterson says individualism is the great acco...When Peterson says individualism is the great accomplishment of the West who is he ascribing that accomplishment to? This seems deceptively simple I guess, but it reinforces the idea that human beings are both individuals and yet deeply rooted in a groupsNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02878670286412573177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5213233074754765562018-07-23T09:29:50.196+10:002018-07-23T09:29:50.196+10:00I respected Peterson when he came out against spee...I respected Peterson when he came out against speech codes, but he is outright lying now.<br /><br />He is opposed to White ethnic interests and won't address it or let it be debated, and shuts down talk as quickly as possible when challenged. Its both cringe worthy and shocking: here be dragons Jordan.<br /><br />He is quite fine with non-White ethnic interests including Jewish and Chinese. He doesn't hesitate to laud such 'collectivism'. But not for whitey.<br /><br />His censoring of Faith Goldy was very underhanded, as was his studious avoidance of debate with leading alt right figures like Jared Taylor, Kevin Macdonald or Millennial Woes. <br /><br />Anyone who could put up a real debate. You can see his studious avoidance and resentment when the topic arises. Very disappointing to say the least.cecilhenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06295507329028875050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-17347280926333865132018-07-23T08:02:53.525+10:002018-07-23T08:02:53.525+10:00I respect Leith VanOnselen for opposing mass immig...I respect Leith VanOnselen for opposing mass immigration on environmental and economic leftist grounds. He doesn't care about ethno-cultural identity, but he's honest about the limits of egalitarianism. Very few leftists in the US or Canada will take this position, perhaps no one is stressed about geography here.<br /><br />The right-liberals mystify me. No immigrant population has ever voted more right-wing than the natives. Most immigrants desire to live in large cities, which demands a higher level of public services, typically a left-wing value. The right-liberals point to Hong-Kong or Singapore as examples of low-tax high-immigration, but neither place has any sense of representative government and limited amounts of cultural freedom by Western standards.<br /><br />And Joe is mad simply about reducing levels, let alone shutting it down entirely and offering paid repatriation to those who don't want to assimilate.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35427637148840481932018-07-23T07:09:05.778+10:002018-07-23T07:09:05.778+10:00Amazing article, thanks. Joe Hildebrand admits tha...Amazing article, thanks. Joe Hildebrand admits that mass immigration is having such a negative effect on the cities that even the ABC inner city types are turning against it, and yet he casts opposition to it from either the right or the left as "extremism". He would rather live as a bugman than bring levels down.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7668142746695896942018-07-23T05:02:08.782+10:002018-07-23T05:02:08.782+10:00A good understanding of Peterson's limits, and...A good understanding of Peterson's limits, and a fairly tame one if you've ever viewed what the Marxists have to say about him.<br /><br />The deluded right-liberal impulse is again on display in this link. The establishment will preserve mass immigration seemingly before anything else.<br /><br />https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/immigration-debate-is-just-leftwing-racism/news-story/ee5a958fe3447e9cc247f59fdae8d344<br />Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21132344729287693892018-07-22T16:17:18.325+10:002018-07-22T16:17:18.325+10:00Obvious hypocrisy from a bullshit artist. He is tr...Obvious hypocrisy from a bullshit artist. He is tribal and proud of his tribe, otherwise he wouldn't act that way. <br /><br />His behaviour shows every sign of prideful tribalism despite his pretentious claim that he magically transcends society as an individual. That claim is itself a proud, virtue-signalling motif of the liberal/libertarian tribe. He calls himself a liberal because he is proud to associated with liberals (at least the classical ones).<br /><br />Contrary to his claim to be an individual:<br />- he identifies and promotes himself in social groups of intellectuals / academics<br />- he has an in-group preference for his family over others, and to his extended family. That itself is micro form of tribalism/racism<br />- he thinks, looks, speaks and acts in ways consistent with the broader European tribeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com