tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post727410518666134499..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Why assume it was us?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84887743861559238172010-07-10T00:55:46.022+10:002010-07-10T00:55:46.022+10:00"Have you guys seen this? 1 in 4 Americans Do..."Have you guys seen this? 1 in 4 Americans Don't Know Why We Fought for Independence"<br /><br />I heard it was higher in college educated young people, 40%, on the NewsHour. Mark Shields, democrat columnist's, only defence was that US society is now "more sensitive but not as knowledgeable on the facts". He was nonetheless still left utterly shaking his head at the near total national and educational failure that has occurred.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82143286910925868682010-07-06T23:50:37.920+10:002010-07-06T23:50:37.920+10:00For clarification, all of us were fluent in Englis...For clarification, all of us were fluent in English. It was merely that I am a native speaker in two languages.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21031621558553954592010-07-06T23:48:06.590+10:002010-07-06T23:48:06.590+10:00Alte, don't you mean the rest of the world?
I...<i>Alte, don't you mean the rest of the world?</i><br /><br />In this instance I meant the posters here specifically, but I do realize that I'm part of a tiny minority in that view. Most people seem to care more about race than ethnicity, which is something I've always found a bit puzzling. I tend to be clannish along ethnic and religious lines, but not racial ones.<br /><br />Living as an American in Germany made a difference to how I viewed race, as well. All of us ex-pat Americans banded together, regardless of race (East Asian, South Asian, black, and white), and we hung out quite a bit with (and dated among) the other Anglo-types: Australians, Canadians, Brits, Irish, white Kenyans, South Africans, Indian, etc.<br /><br />But there was little overlap with the (racially-mixed) Latin/Francophone group, or the Germans, for instance. Even when we'd all meet up at parties, we'd end up splitting off. As I speak both German and English fluently, I was regularly put in the uncomfortable position of having to choose. There was no natural alliance between the black French speakers and the black English speakers; it would have seemed odd to all of us.<br /><br />It wasn't until I returned to America that the racial divisions hit me upside the head again. When I was in Germany, people would ask me where I was from, and I'd answer "America", and they'd just nod and smile. But in America, people ask me what I <b>am</b>, which is a completely different question and much more difficult to answer.<br /><br />I do know that the racial divisions in France have become much worse, but I think that is because race is used as a proxy for religion there.<br /><br />Have you guys seen this? <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38067605/" rel="nofollow">1 in 4 Americans Don't Know Why We Fought for Independence</a><br /><br />*facepalm*Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8715614305705096652010-07-06T13:13:51.058+10:002010-07-06T13:13:51.058+10:00But I agree that in a healthy world, race would be...But I agree that in a healthy world, race would be a backdrop, ethnicity being more what a person is conscious of when he thinks of his larger identity. <br /><br />Unfortunately, that isn't the world we live in, and there are a lot of very powerful people who are interested in seeing my kind of people fade away from this world. Of course I'm going to resist that.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84769662392655460312010-07-06T13:08:59.762+10:002010-07-06T13:08:59.762+10:00Alte wrote,
"I don't think race matters ...Alte wrote,<br /><br /><i>"I don't think race matters as much as the rest of you (obviously), but I do think that ethnicity, religion, etc. are important for defining a country's institutions and values."</i><br /><br />"As the rest of us"? Alte, don't you mean the rest of the <i>world</i>?<br /><br />Leftist whites and most organized non-white groups all think race matters very much. Why would you expect white conservatives alone, the only group interested in defending the traditional European peoples, to pretend otherwise? How has that worked out for us so far?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-39039635654250501982010-07-06T11:35:44.086+10:002010-07-06T11:35:44.086+10:00RedRadish wrote,
"I always focus on immigrat...RedRadish wrote,<br /><br /><i>"I always focus on immigration and the racial aspects but this war has many fronts"</i><br /><br />and I agree. But earlier you had written,<br /><br /><i>"This is a racial battle."</i><br /><br />and I don't see how that's true. Would you explain how you reconcile these two statements?<br /><br />We're in a war against Leftism, which is a modern manifestation of Evil. The fight for national survival is a crucial front--I know, the metaphor is becoming cliche--but, no, I don't think it's the entire war. As you said, look at Sweden, pre-1970. All Swedish, and all-leftist.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56410477990288278912010-07-05T21:11:50.485+10:002010-07-05T21:11:50.485+10:00TheRedRadish said,
"Say magically immigratio...TheRedRadish said,<br /><br />"Say magically immigration moratoriums were put in place in all of the Western Countries....<br /><br />Would Western Men still turn into Swedish women? Would religion come back? Would the birthrate increase? Would wages increase?"<br /><br />Before you can fully revive the patient you have to stop the hemorrhaging.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-45985269295926502792010-07-05T17:47:10.898+10:002010-07-05T17:47:10.898+10:00The question is though....
Say magically immigrat...The question is though....<br /><br />Say magically immigration moratoriums were put in place in all of the Western Countries....<br /><br />Would Western Men still turn into Swedish women? Would religion come back? Would the birthrate increase? Would wages increase? (actually they would by supply and demand) <br /><br />I always focus on immigration and the racial aspects but this war has many fronts (which is why I appreciate Mark's writing on the men's rights issues, feminism etc) The USSR was all white and it still sucked!!TheRedRadishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29825634249234857192010-07-05T17:41:45.498+10:002010-07-05T17:41:45.498+10:00Oh completely agree anonymous,
I was just thinkin...Oh completely agree anonymous,<br /><br />I was just thinking today while being at Disneyland for the 4th....<br /><br />My perfect vacation would be one in which I only saw white people for like 5 days straight....and that would only happen in Eastern Europe. <br /><br />I have some uber-upperclass (somewhat evil) friends from New York City and they all started vacationing in places like the beaches of Serbia and Croatia....hmmmm...I wonder why?TheRedRadishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63954202117546806952010-07-05T09:34:02.795+10:002010-07-05T09:34:02.795+10:00Sorry, that should have read "R.J. Stove agre...Sorry, that should have read "R.J. Stove agrees."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73410481656095560372010-07-05T09:31:41.223+10:002010-07-05T09:31:41.223+10:00Australia used to be a great country... before mul...Australia used to be a great country... before multiculturalism and mass non-European immigration were rammed down our throats.<br /><br />R.J. Steve <a href="http://www.alternativeright.com/main/the-magazine/the-death-of-the-wasp-aussie-style/" rel="nofollow">agrees</a>.<br /><br />One of the responses to Stove's article struck a chord with me:<br /><br /><i>As an Australian I believe you can only really experience the full impact of what we have lost by spending some time in Eastern Europe and then returning to Australia.<br /><br />Despite my limited language skills I had a wonderful time in places that were 99% white. On my return I was faced with hordes of non-white "Australians" with unfamilar tongues, a total absence of courtesy or sense of personal space and hygiene.<br /><br />It was a profound shock, culturally, mentally and physically.<br /><br />Indeed this much abused airport lounge used to be a great country.</i><br /><br />Sad but true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24428405145861673842010-07-04T07:49:17.999+10:002010-07-04T07:49:17.999+10:00People like Michelle Malkin actually hinder the mo...People like Michelle Malkin actually hinder the movement. <br /><br />She's asian who is probably married to a white man whose kids, though 'conservative' won't really consider themselves white and will probably marry non-white and in one generation will convert to Obama land.<br /><br />You know the truth is this is a white identity movement. Those of us who are white who want to stay white. Yes I am against interracial marriage. <br /><br />Michelle Malkin is first and foremost a Conservative Gossip Columnist. Her website is meant to entertain, not preserve.<br /><br />Schlesinger is not 'white' either so he doesn't care..really. (I'm assuming by the name and the neocon status) <br /><br />This is a racial battle. <br /><br />The quicker we throw off the mask and start realizing what it is we are fighting for the easier it will be.<br /><br />And yes....Being pro-white and wanting to preserve white heritage does not mean hating others. Loving ones own in no way implies hating others.<br /><br />Bartholemew I'm 28 years old and I've felt that way since I was 8 years old going with my non-white cousins (democrats obviously) to Universal Studios. <br /><br />On the bright side though, I went to Target and saw NO white people....BUT the incidence of interracial dating is dropping in my neighborhood as white men and women realize that we're in a precarious position and everything we've been taught is lies.TheRedRadishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56539823148589860362010-07-04T05:49:52.228+10:002010-07-04T05:49:52.228+10:00I don't think race matters as much as the rest...I don't think race matters as much as the rest of you (obviously), but I do think that ethnicity, religion, etc. are important for defining a country's institutions and values. I don't believe in people being "autonomous", as that goes against Natural Law.<br /><br />But that doesn't mean that I want a self-appointed elite telling me that I have to take down my crucifix, and... whatnot. My ancestors already lived under such a system and it royally sucked. I simply do not see how centralization would increase the morality of the populis. It would merely relieve them of their moral and familial duties, is how I see it.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76067329152086541522010-07-04T02:22:33.340+10:002010-07-04T02:22:33.340+10:00Bartholomew said,
"In any case, it was hard ...Bartholomew said,<br /><br />"In any case, it was hard to feel very good about my country.<br /><br />*Sigh* yep.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-88662143549072777832010-07-04T02:17:26.958+10:002010-07-04T02:17:26.958+10:00Hey Alte, thanks for the link.
But as far as I co...Hey Alte, thanks for the link.<br /><br />But as far as I could tell, it's the same old neocon storyline from the '90s.<br /><br />Malkin quotes approvingly an article by Schlesinger from '91, which tells us that the worst thing about multiculturalism is not that it produces fractured, atomized societies but that <br /><br /><i>"It gives rise, for example, to the conception of the U.S. as a nation composed not of individuals making their own choices but of inviolable ethnic and racial groups"</i> <br /><br />You see, this is classic Right Liberalism. For the Right Liberal, the highest good is individual autonomy, not community. America, for Schlesinger, is simply a place where individuals can exercise a lot (the most?) autonomy. It has nothing to do with ethnicity or race.<br /><br />And since it has nothing to do with ethnicity or race, Malkin sees so particular problem with simply blending those old world ethnicities or races completely away. The of this, you see, shall be a great, new American Man, who transcends the old racial, ethnic, linguistic (hey why not? Maybe he'll speak Esperanto) and any other distinction. Hell, he won't even be a "he"--that would exclude women--the new American will be a...hermaphrodite! Yeah! That'll work...<br /><br />Malkin wants us to take her logic just up to the "intermixing" ethnicity and race away, but not all the way to the blending language, sex, sexual orientation, class, etc., etc. away. She wants to have her Liberalism just so. But unfortunately for her, that's not how Liberalism works. <br /><br />If you declare that race and ethnicity don't matter because the body doesn't matter, you leave yourself wide open for someone else to declare that sex, language, class, sexual orientation, etc. doesn't matter and for the same reason.<br /><br />But it seems that Right Liberals never notice this gaping hole in their logic.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-54435153587668187452010-07-04T01:56:14.425+10:002010-07-04T01:56:14.425+10:00I walked down the street of my city's 4th of J...I walked down the street of my city's 4th of July celebration yesterday, and I realized just how late the hour really is. I live in a mid-western city, nowhere near the borders or the coasts. Previously, it had been an overwhelmingly Anglo city with a significant Black minority. That's all gone now. Barely half of the people I saw on the streets were Anglo, and that's a stretch. <br /><br />Muslims, Blacks and Mixed, Hispanics, Whites, East and South Asians, they were all there. I couldn't help but think how differently I and a leftist would look at that sight. I felt lost and disoriented, like I didn't know my own hometown any more. The Leftist, I imagine, felt proud and sophisticated around such internationality. <br /><br />In any case, it was hard to feel very good about my country.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18127176753957526112010-07-03T21:22:05.757+10:002010-07-03T21:22:05.757+10:00Michael said,
"That said, a white kid has be...Michael said,<br /><br />"That said, a white kid has been charged over the stabbing of an Indian in Melbourne." <br /><br />Am I missing something? Its a big country and crime happens. Is there even a hint of evidence that Indians are stabbed more frequently than anyone else (by any race?).<br /><br />Indian students are not sacred cows, its not an international issue every time one of them is injured. It seems to me the Indians are looking for a reason to be outraged.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-83950198491110071042010-07-03T17:47:11.991+10:002010-07-03T17:47:11.991+10:00Andrew Bolt said a similar thing back in March. Te...Andrew Bolt said a similar thing back in March. <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/tell-truth-on-ethnic-crime/story-e6frfhqf-1225842538542" rel="nofollow">Tell truth on ethnic crime</a><br /><br /><i>... the furore over the bashing of Indian students, allegedly by white "racists".<br /><br />The police refused from the beginning to say what they clearly know - that many, if not most, of these bashings have been by members of other ethnic minorities, mainly Lebanese, Pacific Islanders, Maori and Africans.<br /><br />A Victoria University study last month on the safety of international students showed this cover-up in action.<br /><br />Yes, this fashionably Leftist study gave us the standard hectoring on our legendary racism, but buried deep in its pages was an astonishing admission that most of the recent bashings weren't by white racists at all - and that only the police refused to admit it.</i><br /><br />That said, a white kid has been charged over the stabbing of an Indian in Melbourne. <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/boy-charged-over-death-that-divided-nations-20100617-yjru.html" rel="nofollow">Boy charged over death that divided nations</a><br /><br /><i>... Nitin Garg ... was stabbed in Cruickshank Park, then staggered 300 metres to the restaurant. An ambulance was called but he died shortly after arriving at hospital...<br /><br />The 15-year-old Yarraville boy, whose age prevents his name being released, appeared at a Melbourne Children's Court in a school uniform.<br /><br />The boy, who is Caucasian, clutched a sheet of paper and looked around the courtroom and at his parents, seated in the front row.</i>Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-91372307617861278772010-07-03T09:56:11.275+10:002010-07-03T09:56:11.275+10:00Extremist Islamist group holding a conference in S...Extremist Islamist group holding a conference in Sydney to discuss "The struggle for Islam in the West":<br /><br />http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/extremists-with-caliphate-on-their-minds-not-bombs-in-their-belts/story-e6frg6ux-1225887074605<br /><br /><i>Badar says he's confident the caliphate will come to pass within his lifetime. He says support is growing throughout the Muslim world and Western secular civilisation is doomed, unlikely as it may seem. "If we had predicted the end of the Soviet Union, people would have laughed," he notes.<br /><br />Badar believes the caliphate will begin with an Islamic state in a country such as Pakistan or Egypt, and spread steadily through grassroots support and military might to eventually cover all Muslim majority countries and lands previously under Islamic rule, such as Spain and The Philippines. He says Christians and Jews will be welcome as long as they submit to Islamic law.<br /><br />"There's nothing about our ideas that is dangerous, except to those that seek to maintain the status quo of exploitation of the masses. Certainly we are a threat to them, and they should be worried. But to those who seek mutual progress for all people, we only have good to offer."<br /><br />Terrorism specialist Clive Walker of the Leeds University law school says the British intelligence community does not support a ban because it would deny them intelligence on HT and enable the group to portray itself as a victim of Western hypocrisy and Islamophobia. "Unless they actually advocate violence, which they do not, then they should not be banned . . . this is not Nazi Germany. The extremists are not about to seize power, they attract marginal support."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38892643094948760462010-07-03T09:12:01.527+10:002010-07-03T09:12:01.527+10:00Alexander Hamilton smart man....if I hear nation o...Alexander Hamilton smart man....if I hear nation of immigrants, American not by birth or citizinship etc etc one more time I'm going to vomitTheRedRadishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14744500299266900062010-07-03T04:12:12.883+10:002010-07-03T04:12:12.883+10:00You guys might like to read what Mrs. Malkin wrote...You guys might like to read what <a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2010/07/02/assimilation_and_the_founding_fathers/page/full" rel="nofollow">Mrs. Malkin</a> wrote about immigration today. An excerpt:<br /><br /><i>Alexander Hamilton wrote in 1802: "The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education and family."<br /><br />Hamilton further warned that "The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader."<br /><br />The survival of the American republic, Hamilton maintained, depends upon "the preservation of a national spirit and a national character." "To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty."</i>Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65786408031616843762010-07-03T02:59:50.900+10:002010-07-03T02:59:50.900+10:00I mean its funny isn't it. I visited Malyasia ...I mean its funny isn't it. I visited Malyasia a little while ago and I noticed their up market magazines were full of stories of Western (primarily historical) exploitation etc. It would seem these countries, in order to dig up a degree of self esteem, need to constantly attack the West. Oooo k.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-4878898055184398502010-07-03T02:54:14.171+10:002010-07-03T02:54:14.171+10:00This is cute. John Howard (former Aus PM) has been...This is cute. John Howard (former Aus PM) has been rejected for the Vice Presidency of the International Cricket Commission by vote of the Indian lead members. They didn't bother to give an official explanation (the rejection is basically unprecedented) but the inside story is that the Indians were concerned he would uncover corruption, or question India's power, within the organisation. <br /><br />In respose to this leading Indian journalits have chosen to play the race card, *yawn* again. According to them Howard was rejected becauase he was a "closet racist".<br /><br />"Why should a museum piece, a symbol of the black-white divide, dare or dream of entering world cricket." <br /><br />"Australia is a racist country. There is nothing secular or non-racial about them." <br /><br />Former Indian cricket captain Bishan Singh Bedi retorted to his own countrymen by saying that Indians needed to look at themselves before calling anyone else racist saying:<br /><br />"You know we Indians are the biggest racists in the world. If you look at the daily newspapers, the number of killings that are going on in the name of race and caste and all this rubbish... It's unreal. What are we talking about?"".<br /><br />The international system works again. In the long run the biggest losers out of all of this will be the poor amnesty international types who actually saw internationalism as the way forward. Cest la vie.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-9831220130301116102010-07-03T01:36:19.637+10:002010-07-03T01:36:19.637+10:00I don't know what is worse, the fact that a gu...I don't know what is worse, the fact that a guy was beaten badly or that the majority in Asia feel that the White Austrailians as a whole are to blame for the incident.By The Swordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16799389743529116360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-53696196451922955642010-07-02T22:31:04.134+10:002010-07-02T22:31:04.134+10:00With both hate-based crime and domestic violence l...With both hate-based crime and domestic violence laws, the actual <i>act</i> is not the main focus. It's about punishing someone for their thoughts, or because of who they are.Altenoreply@blogger.com