tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post6973628473460052022..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Shulamith Firestone: making sex not matterUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65370378014310787602012-09-12T00:05:23.402+10:002012-09-12T00:05:23.402+10:00I always find it interesting that leftists insist ...I always find it interesting that leftists insist that gender is merely a social construct or a state of being that must be eliminated, while at the same time insisting that homosexuals are born gay & should be accepted as such. Doesn't it follow that if gender is a social construct, so is homosexuality? How can someone be born "gay", but not "male" or "female"?LittleMissPerfectnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20040369835409629092012-09-10T13:09:13.035+10:002012-09-10T13:09:13.035+10:00"claim fake minority status a la Elizabeth Wa..."claim fake minority status a la Elizabeth Warren"<br /><br />she got in harvard because of her gender.<br /><br />"And do English white males want the lower salaries that are increasingly typical for veterinarians?"<br /><br /><br /><i>We found that, for over half of woman doctors in our data, the NPV of becoming a primary-care physician was less than the NPV of becoming a physician assistant. In contrast, the vast majority of male primary-care physicians earned an NPV greater than the NPV earned by a male PA. That is, while the vast majority of male doctors are financially better off for having become a doctor, the median female primary care physician would have been financially better off becoming a PA.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76003733714228507542012-09-07T12:26:36.855+10:002012-09-07T12:26:36.855+10:00And do English white males want the lower salaries...And do English white males want the lower salaries that are increasingly typical for veterinarians?<br /><br />Mediocre white men have it hard, because they've been supplanted by mediocre white women and not-white women and a smaller pool of not-white men. But that is a different problem than the myth that industrious white guys are kept out of the top tier. They remain secure and comfortable, with no major signs of change. <br /><br />In America, for example, the highest paying jobs in the national Post Office remain held by white men. There are many lower paying jobs held by blacks, though, feeding a myth that blacks get high paying jobs through affirmative action when that isn't what actually happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-62021054601985723392012-09-07T08:19:59.480+10:002012-09-07T08:19:59.480+10:00An example of white male underrepresentation: in E...An example of white male underrepresentation: in England white males are 45% of the population but only 20% of the intake at veterinary colleges. This figure is declining so rapidly and the disparity growing so large that the colleges are thinking of treating white males as a "minority group" for the purposes of admission.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1872027781649188252012-09-07T08:15:41.868+10:002012-09-07T08:15:41.868+10:00Anon,
Even if that's correct, it means that b...Anon,<br /><br />Even if that's correct, it means that black women get to benefit from affirmative action at the expense of others, including white men.<br /><br />One thing I'm not sure you recognise is that white men are not at the top of the hill when it comes to all this, but are in an exceptionally difficult position.<br /><br />We have been tagged with the "false category oppressor group holding back the progress of humanity towards its ultimate end of equal freedom" label, and as such it is assumed that we are a dominant group in need of taking down.<br /><br />It's possible that things will change as the disparities become more obvious, but at the moment males in general and white males in particular have been squeezed out of certain professions, with little thought of using affirmative action to redress the imbalance - as would happen if the disparity were the other way around.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-4299450230764773052012-09-07T03:49:58.505+10:002012-09-07T03:49:58.505+10:00Mark, the actual data shows that such black men do...Mark, the actual data shows that such black men do worse than an identical-credential white guy. Affirmative action rewards people who meet two or more criteria for 'diversity', not one (most white women that rise due to affirmative action are not heterosexual or are disabled or claim fake minority status a la Elizabeth Warren).<br /><br />Darker men remain penalized heavily in America no matter how industrious they might or mightn't like to be. As Asian males are considered less and less feminine, they will probably come in for their share of penalty eventually as well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-41313186713701660022012-09-06T20:05:44.296+10:002012-09-06T20:05:44.296+10:00I believe its not so much white men as Western, Ch...<i>I believe its not so much white men as Western, Christian values based modern civilization that socialists and other godless totalitarians have a problem with.</i><br /><br />Yes and no. It's true that serious Christianity represents a problem for liberal modernity, as Christianity asserts a substantive good, which threatens the liberal understanding that the good is to self-determine our own subjective good (and not to interfere in others doing the same thing - not to discriminate or judge).<br /><br />Serious Christianity does discriminate and so it offends against the liberal understanding.<br /><br />However, left-liberalism does set up the white heterosexual male as the cosmic enemy of mankind. It does so by explaining inequality and injustice on white heterosexual men establishing false categories (whiteness, maleness etc) in order to create an "other" who could then be oppressed.<br /><br />So there is an understanding on the left that the passing of white heterosexual men is a good thing for humanity and that any defence of their existence is an immoral attempt to uphold supremacy. <br /><br />That's why the well-known American political activist Tom Hayden spoke of "a long-term goal of mine: the peaceful, nonviolent disappearance of the white race."Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-78100975559466336142012-09-06T19:29:51.343+10:002012-09-06T19:29:51.343+10:00In America, unemployment rates are highest for the...<i>In America, unemployment rates are highest for the darkest minorities and lowest for the oh-so-oppressed heterosexual white men.</i><br /><br />That's not true. Asian Americans do better than whites when it comes to eduction, employment and income.<br /><br />And anyway the issue is whether a well-educated, highly motivated and able black man is going to be held back in America. Given affirmative action pressures I highly doubt that that's the case. It's likely that such black men will do well relative to their white counterparts.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63523950690726333752012-09-06T19:05:53.219+10:002012-09-06T19:05:53.219+10:00For example, I myself am a white male and am unemp...For example, I myself am a white male and am unemployed despite applying for many jobs and going to many interviews.<br /><br />On the other hand, a local shop near me seems to employ a lot of African immigrants and other immigrants as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59100584289470009682012-09-06T19:03:51.338+10:002012-09-06T19:03:51.338+10:00@ Anonymous, Thursday, 6 September 2012 11:59:00 A...@ Anonymous, Thursday, 6 September 2012 11:59:00 AM AEST<br /><br />I can't talk from direct experience about America having only been there a few times.<br /><br />What I do know is that in the UK immigrants are often given preference by employers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30029674745205217422012-09-06T17:09:08.504+10:002012-09-06T17:09:08.504+10:00I have never heard of Shula Firestone. Her name co...I have never heard of Shula Firestone. Her name could be mistaken for a character in a William Faulkner novel. Perhaps her special nuttiness would have been more 'appropriate' in a Faulkner story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-61039461114713007172012-09-06T16:01:54.590+10:002012-09-06T16:01:54.590+10:00Laughter is the best medicine.Laughter is the best medicine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37484547008841732472012-09-06T11:59:33.302+10:002012-09-06T11:59:33.302+10:00In America, unemployment rates are highest for the...In America, unemployment rates are highest for the darkest minorities and lowest for the oh-so-oppressed heterosexual white men. <br /><br />Some privilege those coloreds have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72446391307942678932012-09-06T10:55:46.861+10:002012-09-06T10:55:46.861+10:00Yeh.. actually I'm a white man, but I believe ...Yeh.. actually I'm a white man, but I believe its not so much white men as Western, Christian values based modern civilization that socialists and other godless totalitarians have a problem with. <br />It comes down to actually a racist worship of the "noble savage" invented by Rousseau. Combines with a hatred of Christianity , even lukewarm. <br />I don't have a problem with my race disappearing. I do have a problem with western civilization disappearing.<br /><br />It's delicious to watch leftist squirm when the likes of John Senematu, black archbishop, criticise the UK for being too progressive . Juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10119193175145977768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56078785899298005492012-09-06T01:54:13.875+10:002012-09-06T01:54:13.875+10:00"Asian" as in 'yellow' Asians, I..."Asian" as in 'yellow' Asians, I presume, Mark?<br /><br />It's hard to say. It depends on geographical location and specific country, too. Certainly I have seen 'yellow' Asian men dating white women as well.<br /><br />What I do know is that most black/white mixed relationships involve a black man and a white woman.<br /><br />Bearing in mind the fact that black people will, due to consistently high fertility rates in Africa that easily outstrip those of the rest of the world, probably end up as the dominant human racial group on planet Earth, at least numerically speaking, then the issue of the disparity noted above taken in combination with this is bad news for white heterosexual men in general and their genetic, reproductive, sexual, racial and ethnic interests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59245657555712705272012-09-05T17:13:27.229+10:002012-09-05T17:13:27.229+10:00Anon (9:51)
I agree with you that white heterosex...Anon (9:51)<br /><br />I agree with you that white heterosexual males are not privileged in the way that left-liberals assume them to be.<br /><br />But one quibble. I've seen research which shows that white women do still have a preference for dating white men. In fact, white women are a lot more loyal to white men than Asian women are to Asian men.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38006711436649156782012-09-05T10:48:23.999+10:002012-09-05T10:48:23.999+10:00Which does not make building on a poisonous tradit...Which does <i>not</i> make building on a poisonous tradition morally neutral!<br /><br />All I meant was, this is predictable.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59955370376493451622012-09-05T10:24:36.389+10:002012-09-05T10:24:36.389+10:00Anonymous: "It's funny how so many of the...Anonymous: "It's funny how so many of the early far-left and Marxist thinkers were Jewish, yet today it seems to be more non-Jewish white people with a university education who do most of this kind of thinking nowadays."<br /><br />Like the Blues, with its Black roots.<br /><br />Whites will build on any tradition: native, alien, good, bad or outright poisonous.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-61607919808664997862012-09-05T09:26:06.588+10:002012-09-05T09:26:06.588+10:00Does anyone seriously think that "whiteness&q...Does anyone seriously think that "whiteness" is a privilege for heterosexual men?<br /><br />I don't. If anything, in terms of attractiveness of men, it is <i>darkness</i> that is often a key defining factor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47954811831591584272012-09-05T09:23:11.486+10:002012-09-05T09:23:11.486+10:00I fail to understand how white heterosexual males ...I fail to understand how white heterosexual males are any more privileged than any others within the countries that they live in.<br /><br />If anything, other groups have the privilege.<br /><br />For example:<br /><br />Women - look beautiful, can get sex whenever they want, most of the institutions in society (such as supermarkets and soap operas) cater to them, etc.<br /><br />Ethnic minorities - are more attractive to women than white men, are seen as "cooler" with a separate culture, can claim victim status, etc.<br /><br />Homosexuals - can get sex whenever they want, have their own subculture, can claim victim status, etc.<br /><br />Compare this to:<br /><br />White heterosexual men - can often go for years without sex, are discriminated against in employment, are as attractive as a bowl of cold oatmeal to women, are portrayed as nerds, losers and socially inept retards, will ply themselves with drink and drugs to escape political correctness, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-54886678946404373742012-09-05T07:27:15.575+10:002012-09-05T07:27:15.575+10:00there is definitely a strain of thought within lef...<i>there is definitely a strain of thought within left-wing politics that utterly despises white [heterosexual] men.</i><br /><br />One reason for that is that many left-liberals blame inequality on a set of a false categories being created (maleness, whiteness, heterosexuality) in order to create an unearned privilege by some groups of people over others.<br /><br />Therefore, white heterosexual men are thought to be practising a kind of supremacism which maintaines inequality, oppression and injustice in the world.<br /><br />The more that white heterosexual men can be brought down the more that the world moves to its ultimate end point of equal freedom.<br /><br />Firestone was a little different in that she did not follow the idea that being male was a false category; she accepted that the male-female binary had a basis in biological reality. In that sense, she was actually less crazy than a lot of more mainstream leftists.<br /><br />The problem is that her willingness to accept the biological basis for sex distinctions forced her to very radical conclusions - that nature itself was the enemy that had to be overcome and that motherhood ought no longer to be associated with womanhood (hence the extreme hostility to pregnancy and sex). Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-54430153824064538102012-09-04T22:17:27.387+10:002012-09-04T22:17:27.387+10:00I'll leave you with this: there is definitely ...I'll leave you with this: there is definitely a strain of thought within left-wing politics that utterly despises white [heterosexual] men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22245262648079200212012-09-04T22:05:00.278+10:002012-09-04T22:05:00.278+10:00I suppose all "progressive politics" is ...<i>I suppose all "progressive politics" is a bit like that - instead of having a sudden revolution, things have to be changed slowly but surely, piece by piece, in order to fit a more left-wing agenda in a way that will not be too much for the people to take.</i><br /><br />That's well expressed. That's a large part of the explanation of how progressive politics has managed to be accepted, despite its ultimately radical end point.<br /><br />Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1017355602047604032012-09-04T21:51:09.372+10:002012-09-04T21:51:09.372+10:00Mark,
I wrote the post above ("Loony left, l...Mark,<br /><br />I wrote the post above ("Loony left, loony right").<br /><br />I am from Scotland, by the way. I live less than an hour's drive from the place referred to in this post:<br /><br />http://ozconservative.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/trawlermen.html<br /><br />Shulamith Firestone is of Jewish origin, obviously.<br /><br />It's funny how so many of the early far-left and Marxist thinkers were Jewish, yet today it seems to be more non-Jewish white people with a university education who do most of this kind of thinking nowadays.<br /><br />Aside from that, you state that the West is trying to do much the same thing as what she suggests. I suppose all "progressive politics" is a bit like that - instead of having a sudden revolution, things have to be changed slowly but surely, piece by piece, in order to fit a more left-wing agenda in a way that will not be too much for the people to take.<br /><br />I have read about the attempts to "abolish gender" in Sweden. Now here in Scotland no one really suggests that we do that, but there are a few loony leftists out there like Mhairi McAlpine who is a lesbian radical feminist Marxist anti-racist or something like that.<br /><br />Overall, the Glasgow area has the strongest left-wing "scene" in Scotland. And I don't live there anyway, nor even near there.<br /><br />When I was a teenager and maybe up until the age of about 21 I was broadly supportive of some left-wing ideas until I realised what it was all about.<br /><br />Mass immigration and a multi-cultural society is not good for white heterosexual men. A key reason for this is because of non-white men taking white women. Multiracialism, especially when coupled with feminism, is not good for the genetic, racial, reproductive and sexual needs of white heterosexual males.<br /><br />A leftist wrote to me "most [white heterosexual males] have no reason to perpetuate the social dominance of [their kind]". Is this really true? I don't think it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-40669592859648078852012-09-04T21:00:59.227+10:002012-09-04T21:00:59.227+10:00There's an interesting post on a related matte...There's an interesting post on a related matter at the "Had Enough Therapy" blog. It discusses an article by a feminist who is disgusted by women who use photographs of their children as the main photo on their Facebook pages. As the feminist writer sees it, a Facebook page should be used for <i> self </i> expression, and anything that eclipses the self is regrettable. The connection to this post on Firestone is that this writer, like Firestone, feels angry when other women feel joy. Not every woman enjoys motherhood in all of its stages, from conception to grandmotherhood, but it's pretty clear that a majority find it, on the whole, <i> extremely satisfying </i>. Why do women who do not wish to be mothers, and who are not forced to be mothers, wish to deprive a majority of their fellow women of an experience that is one of the most, very often the most, satisfying in their lives? It looks like spite to me.JMSmithnoreply@blogger.com