tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post5793343510737521142..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Blue Labour: a step forward?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63301374198579275222011-04-19T16:23:20.844+10:002011-04-19T16:23:20.844+10:00Thanks for the link Elizabeth.Thanks for the link Elizabeth.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86908618560181741212011-04-19T10:41:39.664+10:002011-04-19T10:41:39.664+10:00"if you can stubbornly avoid the demoralisati..."if you can stubbornly avoid the demoralisations of modern life."<br /><br />This blogger has good posts about modernity --- charltonteaching.blogspot.com<br /><br />I hope you check it out.Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7473535806068729232011-04-19T10:08:10.948+10:002011-04-19T10:08:10.948+10:00James,
I hadn't thought of the DLP when I wro...James,<br /><br />I hadn't thought of the DLP when I wrote the article, but you're right that the DLP serves as an example of a more conservative labour party, particularly on family issues.<br /><br />Elizabeth,<br /><br />I don't think there's an easy way to summarise what is happening to the Australian middle class.<br /><br />There is a trend toward later marriage and smaller families. There are some early signs that middle-class boys and young men are dropping out of studies and careers in increasing numbers. There is some intermixing going on, particularly amongst European groups, and to a smaller degree with Asians.<br /><br />But amongst a section of the middle-class a more traditional lifestyle is still what is ultimately aimed at. A nice home in a nice suburb, two or three kids, mum as the main caregiver and dad as a stable provider. <br /><br />If you are an Anglo-Australian man with a good job, you are still likely to be prized by your female peers when they get serious about family formation, that is, if you can stubbornly avoid the demoralisations of modern life.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73480997873786859622011-04-19T04:42:32.495+10:002011-04-19T04:42:32.495+10:00"All of a sudden the group which had been at ..."All of a sudden the group which had been at the centre of left wing ideology since its foundation, the ethnic euro working classes, were kicked to the curb."<br /><br />Leftists have always despised them deep down. Their roots, their core beliefs, would lead them to taking advantage of the European middle class and then dropping them like a hot sack of potatoes. How is the situation in the UK? Is the working Caucasian middle class involved in drugs or hard crime? A lot of family decay? From what I have seen in the USA the European middle class (now turning lower-class thanks to the coming economic collapse) is adopting the culture of Latinos (South America and Mediterranean), speaking Spanish and intermingling with them (mixed babies between whites and Latinos). On one side I feel sad but at least it's much better than the adoption of black cultural norms such as rap/hip-hop artists, thugs and other things. I wonder what's happening to the white middle class in Australia.Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27151378656625689882011-04-18T15:49:31.620+10:002011-04-18T15:49:31.620+10:00Mark Said...
""I wasn't putting for...Mark Said...<br /><br />""I wasn't putting forward Lord Glasman as a saviour. I was looking at a new political current""<br /><br />While I would disagree that the current is new I would agree that it is experiencing a revival across the world as a belated reaction to the seizure of the left in the west by upper-middle-class university educated wankers who really began to kick everyone else out in the early 80's.<br /><br />All of a sudden the group which had been at the centre of left wing ideology since its foundation, the ethnic euro working classes, were kicked to the curb.<br /><br />The group which since the middle of the 19th century had been hailed as the new ruling class of the future was in the eye of the elites turned into "Yobs" "rednecks" "Bogans" "Chavs" "White Trash" barely controlled by their betters and thankfully "educated" by the new middle class led union movement and education industry.<br /><br />Of course that trend was around a long time before the 80's but at the end of the 20th century with the death of Communism the situation speeded up considerably.<br /><br />We may be seeing a small re-adjustment to compensate for overstretch. It will not do much on its own of course, but Mark you are right in noting its possible impact on the political scene at large.<br /><br />Well spotted.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20396544361006982572011-04-18T15:40:01.898+10:002011-04-18T15:40:01.898+10:00Mark this is hardly a new development and you know...Mark this is hardly a new development and you know it! You are Australian, Catholic, older than me, politically interested and live in Northern Melbourne... <br /><br />Come on!<br /><br />"Blue Labor" is essentially the DLP in Britain minus the Catholic organisational element.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14410070902398551312011-04-18T00:06:58.225+10:002011-04-18T00:06:58.225+10:00That during their 13 years in power, the Labour Pa...That during their 13 years in power, the Labour Party encouraged large-scale immigration and kept quiet about it - never disclosing the particulars of their policy in any political manifesto - is common knowledge. And it's too late now to do anything about it except grumble and abandon hope.Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57501337673500841832011-04-17T20:09:09.902+10:002011-04-17T20:09:09.902+10:00Anon,
I wasn't putting forward Lord Glasman a...Anon,<br /><br />I wasn't putting forward Lord Glasman as a saviour. I was looking at a new political current, one which at least recognises the failings of managerial liberalism.<br /><br />As to why Lord Glasman wants a more conservative version of Labour politics, there are a number of possible reasons.<br /><br />Perhaps he has recognised that there is little social solidarity in a modern, individualised, open borders liberal state. If you have socialist sympathies and want to see rank and file political action, then that's an issue (Professor Putnam wrote about this effect a few years ago).<br /><br />Perhaps some in the Labour Party are worried that the working-class is deserting Labour, for instance, by turning to the BNP.<br /><br />Perhaps it's a response to "Red Toryism" which seeks to claim ground that was once occupied by Labour.<br /><br />Perhaps Lord Glasman isn't comfortable with parts of London becoming Islamified.<br /><br />Perhaps he identifies for historic reasons with the Labour Party but has, at a personal level, some conservative instincts, e.g. he wants to feel particular attachments to where he lives.<br /><br />I don't claim to know which factors are most important. I'd never even heard of Blue Labour until today. It's best to see how it develops over time, without putting too much confidence in it.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-51692750213143681182011-04-17T19:34:31.796+10:002011-04-17T19:34:31.796+10:00I am always of the opinion that whenever "Lab...I am always of the opinion that whenever "Labor" places families and society first they are only planning to introduce another 1984..<br /><br />I can never see Labor doing anything but trying to destroy society as it was..<br />Their famlily friendleness is akin to the "Department of Love" in that same book..Christian J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03014163016311166331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-26363992186586982612011-04-17T18:04:32.387+10:002011-04-17T18:04:32.387+10:00I'm not done ranting...
Honestly this post sa...I'm not done ranting...<br /><br />Honestly this post says more about you then it does Mr. Glasman.<br /><br />This post is about ego. The idea that "Look, our ideas are getting out there and influencing even our enemies. We're starting to be heard and get our point across!" *pat on back, pat on back*<br /><br />No. The bad guys want Us Dead. Ok. That's it. The bad guys want us Gone. This is a war to the death, between us and them. So if the enemies that want us dead (immigration is genocide) suddenly start using our arguments, it is just them trying to stay in power longer to Finish Us Off. <br /><br />Or even worse, the harsh truth is....That in the US there is no turning back. The bad guys can afford to talk in our language because demographically it is already too late and too many of us have been brainwashed.<br /><br />This is not cause for celebration or congratulatory back-patting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7138826486333654702011-04-17T17:55:56.191+10:002011-04-17T17:55:56.191+10:00I'm sorry I don't trust him. You know whi...I'm sorry I don't trust him. You know which poster I am, and the name Glasman is a big red flag. How many 1000 of years do we have to repeat this? The USSR,Communism, Neo-Cons. Come on Mark! They just reinvent themselves to worm there way back in the moment they feel we are onto them.<br /><br />If he's been Labour's 'chief of staff' and 'SPEECHWRITER' he's known perfectly well what has gone on, and being the speechwriter is just tailoring his speech. <br /> <br />Furthermore, there is nothing that he said that is conservative. <br /><br />What Faith Mr. Glasman? Christianity, Islam, Judaism or Secular Humanism? <br /><br />What Family? The interracial family, the non-white family or the white indiginous British family? <br /><br />If he's not fighting for Christianity and White Indigineous Britains then he is NOT on your side. <br /><br />Mr. Glasman is reading your post right now and going "wow that was easy and I didn't even say anything."<br /><br />And if he really believed in the crap he's spewing, that Labour really has betrayed the people...Why is he a member of Labour? Nonetheless a top member of Labour? Do you think the people trying to commit genocide against us that control the Labour party would let him get this high up if he wasn't on their team?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-51724157540101610482011-04-17T16:01:41.846+10:002011-04-17T16:01:41.846+10:00Yes, at an earlier time the labor movement did bet...Yes, at an earlier time the labor movement did better reflect some of the more conservative values and interests of the rank and file. That was lost decisively when the left-leaning intelligentsia and the unions went through a communist phase in the 1940s.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35913788673027317562011-04-17T15:16:54.985+10:002011-04-17T15:16:54.985+10:00It sounds like Glasman is describing the Australia...It sounds like Glasman is describing the Australian Labor party from it's foundation until the late 1940's/early1970's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com