tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post5408092243573750661..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: The delayed marriage debateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger228125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75561942320455078542011-05-31T08:05:31.297+10:002011-05-31T08:05:31.297+10:00the femminest and liberials of the world better wa...the femminest and liberials of the world better wake up and see who they are supporting and where it will lead the civilized world.<br />I was watching ww2 movies today and told my wife we put an end to that in about four years, by carpet bombing and killing the enemy of civilizied people until they were tired of dieing.Yes they were standing armies in uniform,we are fighting the same type of people today for over ten years, and we are loosing because we are trying to be civilized.<br />Wars are by nature uncivilized and rightly so,they are the results of civility not working and survival needing to overrule civility.<br />Prosetion weapons are one of the worst things you can depend on in a war of survivial<br />These wars demand mass civilian casualties from carpet bombing big and small targets and populations where the enemy hides.<br />This is already a world war ,but we the civilized nations will not stand up and say enough.<br />Spend the next year carpet bombing the middle east and drive the muslims down the path of submission to live in peace, the same way the germans, japanese and all of their allies had to go.<br />This is what they have planned for us!<br />Stop with the pc garbage and drive the liberials down the path with them.<br />their is always room for desent, but there is no room in a civilized country for overthrow and mass executions as the muslims have planned.<br />It's time to get uncivilized and clean out the evil, what's left can decide to live in peace or go to that pig alia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22404090871559816272011-02-18T15:24:32.457+11:002011-02-18T15:24:32.457+11:00Josh/Thordaddy writes of the US feminist right-lib...Josh/Thordaddy writes of the US feminist right-liberal Sarah Palin:<br /><br /><i>She is proof that man can find good woman and start strong family.</i><br /><br />Da, Fearless Leader! But what about Moose and Squirrel?Boris Badenovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58084532853567289182011-02-15T12:12:14.200+11:002011-02-15T12:12:14.200+11:00Maggie,
I think the argument here is that whilst ...Maggie,<br /><br />I think the argument here is that whilst women may be, and are certainly, aware of the biological clock there is still a common assumption among many that you can have babies in your late 30's. Fertility experts are the first to state that the chances go down dramatically. Why should you want babies in your late 30's? Because it fits into a general career and lifestyle pattern. You've engaged in exciting activities in your 20's and established your career in your 30's, now you can do something else. It might be ideal personally or politically but it is not yet the case physically. <br /><br />If you really want to say, hey its your choice, then you also have to be supportive of women who pursue having babies at a younger age, and not merely those who want careers and delayed or no childbirth.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79531182618243972822011-02-15T11:54:11.677+11:002011-02-15T11:54:11.677+11:00Haven't read this comment thread, but I would ...Haven't read this comment thread, but I would like to respond to the claim in the post that women who postpone childbearing "lose reproductive choice." <br /><br />Not true! We women who postpone childbearing are EXERCISING our reproductive choice. Obviously, we have to take into account the risks of not being able to conceive naturally or have our own biological children as time goes on -- but EVERY choice in life involves cost-benefit and risk-analysis. <br /><br />So maybe I will have postponed pregnancy too long and I won't be able to have a biological child. But guess what? Women are pretty aware of the concept of the biological clock. (Trust me, it's hammered into us at every turn.) Most of us know what we are doing. If some of us wind up having regrets -- well, guess what. Part of being a free person and a grown-up involves making choices and dealing with the consequences of those choices. I am SO grateful that I have been able to chart my own course. If I can pass my happiness on to a child all the better; if not, I will find other ways to contribute to the next generation. <br /><br />You may not approve of our choices but don't tell us that having the right to postpone childbearing somehow deprives us of choice. We made the choice. You just don't like it.Maggienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76242181443609747162011-02-07T01:25:33.292+11:002011-02-07T01:25:33.292+11:00Commentors like Alte and Elizabeth are basically t...Commentors like Alte and Elizabeth are basically trying desperately to stuff the genie back into the bottle (who wants to bet Alte 'had her fun' before her sudden conservative conversion?). It's a complete con, and I hope astute men aren't falling for it.tangynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5316108771289784102011-01-31T22:43:05.033+11:002011-01-31T22:43:05.033+11:00Mr. Richardson,
The Palin phenomenon - highly man...Mr. Richardson,<br /><br />The Palin phenomenon - highly manufactured as it is - can be explained like this. Her rise was of course due to the perception that she was a kind of everyday American with enough heart and smarts to do good things. She was instantly hated by the devout dyke cabal for the very fact that she upped the ante on the "big lie;" the one that says females "can do it all." Palin was evidence of this "truth" and this is very unsettling to those who seek liberation. If Palin could raise a big family AND have a career THEN all females should do it. She was of course also an inspiration to those females outside the devout dyke cabal but still under nominal "feminist" influence, i.e., they really believe females can do it all.<br /><br />On the traditional right was a simple rejection of the idea that one could invest mightily in a family and a national political career, simultaneously.<br /><br />This leaves the MRM, which is split generationally. Most young male liberationists are absolutely enthralled with the idea of a Palin taking charge. These males are of the kind that drive passenger with their girls. Palin is like bionic wonder woman to these immature minds. On the other side of this MRM schism are the MRA's (read: old white male liberals). First, she puts a lie to the "all woman are unworthy of marriage" meme. She is a "threat," but not in the arena of divorce or abortion. She is "threat" insofar as she represents idealized heterosexuality. She is proof that man can find good woman and start strong family. Contrary to what factory and slwerner proclaim, this is not the goal of most of the MRA's in my estimation. In fact, they absolutely despise the pressure of this idealized heterosexuality and so wish to paint Palin as strictly socon.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25277532442143936882011-01-31T22:40:36.160+11:002011-01-31T22:40:36.160+11:00anon:
"And yet you persist in the belief that...anon:<br />"And yet you persist in the belief that the war is ongoing rather than over and lost."<br /><br />Time for an insurgency, then.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37882186887533275722011-01-31T22:39:40.982+11:002011-01-31T22:39:40.982+11:00Mark:
"Perhaps it's that there was an ele...Mark:<br />"Perhaps it's that there was an element of classical liberalism in the US founding. Therefore classical liberals in the US identify a bit more as conservative - in the sense that they feel they are conserving an earlier tradition they feel comfortable with."<br /><br />I think that's exactly right. The US Constitution & Bill of Rights enunciated classical-Liberal principles, while leaving the traditionalist societal substrate unexpressed. This opened a can of worms later on; left-liberals could use the Constitution to undermine traditional American society. Then when that process reached its limits in the 20th century, they started ignoring the Constitution and just making stuff up, as in Roe vs Wade.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55284911774743858782011-01-31T20:10:24.122+11:002011-01-31T20:10:24.122+11:00You'd think we lost a war wouldn't you.
D...<i>You'd think we lost a war wouldn't you.</i><br /><br />Don't I keep telling you that we've lost a war??? The enemy has occupied our countries; the enemy appoints its officials to all important positions (government, media, academia, church); the enemy indoctrinates the population in school and via the media; the enemy criminalizes opposition as "hate speech"; the enemy is importing new populations to displace the existing population. And so on and so on.<br /><br />And yet you persist in the belief that the war is ongoing rather than over and lost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43321183474574460242011-01-31T10:40:59.884+11:002011-01-31T10:40:59.884+11:00Mark,
The Palin and Hannity types seem a combinat...Mark,<br /><br />The Palin and Hannity types seem a combination of strong religious faith and free market politics. That makes them liberal in some respects but conservative in others. We in the US and Australia have some anti free market voices, eg parts of the National party and greens, however, the free market voice is generally dominate. <br /><br />Liberalism is the dominate general philosophy, but in the US this doesn't take, as you said, an "anything goes" approach. They're against drug liberalism and sexual license. <br /><br />Its a bit hard for people to accept that liberalism is the underlying problem in society. Although disquiet is starting to grow. Generally speaking the most consistent critics of liberalism (free markets and a look after yourself, stuff everyone else society) are on the left.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-19676492012314151522011-01-31T10:16:07.826+11:002011-01-31T10:16:07.826+11:00I don't know if Palin is worlds apart from Mar...<i>I don't know if Palin is worlds apart from Mark, or us.</i><br /><br />Well, she's some crucial distance apart.<br /><br />I've been thinking about the American right a bit lately. When you look at the formal philosophy of key figures on the American right (Hannity, Palin, Gingrich etc) it's nearly always classically liberal (free markets, individual sovereignty etc).<br /><br />However, when they self-describe, these figures often call themselves "libertarian". I expect that's because the word "liberal" in the US refers very specifically to "left-liberal". Therefore, the term "liberal" is not used much by those on the right. <br /><br />In Australia, the classical liberal/right libertarian types are usually very socially liberal (e.g. the Catallaxy types won't have any problem with gay marriage, polygamy, drug use etc).<br /><br />But that's less true in the US. The right in America, even of the "right-liberal" variety, tend to hold to at least some more socially conservative positions - which is why perhaps the MRAs see them as genuinely socially conservative - something that would be difficult to assume here in Australia.<br /><br />Why the difference? Perhaps it's the fact that the churches are a bit stronger in the US - therefore there is a religious right which holds to certain biblical principles regarding abortion and homosexuality.<br /><br />Perhaps it's that there was an element of classical liberalism in the US founding. Therefore classical liberals in the US identify a bit more as conservative - in the sense that they feel they are conserving an earlier tradition they feel comfortable with.<br /><br />Palin is a bit of a populist and this might be reflected in some of the positions she takes. She might, too, be helping to break up mainstream politics a bit.<br /><br />But the problem is that unless you are willing to stand in a principled way outside of liberal politics, you are inevitably going to be dragged along liberal currents. I just don't think there are any exceptions to this rule.<br /><br />Think even of the "fusionist" liberals here in the Australian Liberal Party - the ones who think they can harmonise liberalism and conservatism. <br /><br />Some of them are serious about investigating the conservative part of the fusion, but in policy terms it's all in vain. They have always collapsed, usually spectacularly, into supporting liberal policy.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20923128032098263902011-01-31T09:50:29.248+11:002011-01-31T09:50:29.248+11:00I don't know if Palin is worlds apart from Mar...I don't know if Palin is worlds apart from Mark, or us. She is vocal on the need to close the border, she recognises gender roles although she is a working mum, and she recognises the importance of commitment to society, hence the military service of her son. If she goes on about liberty that is a common staple in America.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-3692433444797474952011-01-31T04:58:12.913+11:002011-01-31T04:58:12.913+11:00Jesse said:
"I think a lot of the state of t...Jesse said:<br /><br />"I think a lot of the state of the church comes from the ministers pitching to their audience. There have been generally more women in churches then men and so to keep their membership strong they've pitched towards women. Most impressive. Also mainstream Christianity in Australia has become dominated by feminised notions of compassion (also socialist notions). So what did we hear from the Anglican church for their Christmas message? Yet another call to be "compassionate" to the refugees. <br /><br />Factory Replies:<br /><br />No disrespect intended, but I think the Catholic Church badly needs to learn some Game.Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339614725666249518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84888769262130930032011-01-31T01:44:35.292+11:002011-01-31T01:44:35.292+11:00Sarah Palin & co can be described as "mov...Sarah Palin & co can be described as "movement Conservatives" - they represent the mainstream viewpoints of heartland America.<br /><br />The actual traditionalist viewpoints of Mark Richardson, Laura Wood or Lawrence Auster are now a small minority viewpoint in the West. That does not mean they should not be listened to, nor that they should stop trying to persuade movement Conservatives (& others) to their position.<br /><br />But it is ridiculously stupid for MRA-ers to direct invective at Mark and other trad-cons on the basis that Sarah Palin & most US Republicans calls themselves social conservatives, so therefore Mark's position is the same as that of Palin. They are worlds apart.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71285077957804758132011-01-30T22:26:22.941+11:002011-01-30T22:26:22.941+11:00Sorry I meant ''Another case of liberal pr...Sorry I meant ''Another case of liberal projection of a liberal consequence to conservatives it seems. ''Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30080671682553874002011-01-30T22:24:11.862+11:002011-01-30T22:24:11.862+11:00''Mark showed a stat about that recently. ...''Mark showed a stat about that recently. I'm sure he'll put it back up or I'll find it latter. It also fits what I see anecdotally. There's barely a leftie I know who hasn't had a divorce. They're totally sanguine about it too, it's part of their "life journey". The argument might be that conservative marriages are less happy but not that they're as equally brittle.''<br /><br />My parents are of different races and have conflicts because of it but they're both conservative Christians so it's the glue that keeps the marriage together. It fits what I've experienced. Conservatives divorce less contrary to liberal claims and perceptions. Any case of liberal projection of a liberal consequence to conservatives it seems.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82537331999209893042011-01-30T22:20:15.372+11:002011-01-30T22:20:15.372+11:00Alte conservative in America many times means '...Alte conservative in America many times means '' fiscal conservative/social liberal'' (aka Libertarian) so sorry but Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin at their hearts are libertarians. They have even released statements saying this. Sarah Palin recently in the video she released about the drugged libertarian Jared who killed people in Arizona was talking about freedom, individual liberty and the constitution. I think it should be obvious by now that she was never a traditional conservative. She was always a social liberal and a libertarian (or a neoconservative).<br /><br />In all it isn't about equality, individual rights, human rights, multiculturalism, progress and other liberal concepts. We need to think about society, God and civilization too.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-40427698110559086802011-01-30T16:01:05.978+11:002011-01-30T16:01:05.978+11:00You'd think we lost a war wouldn't you.You'd think we lost a war wouldn't you.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-83218071584918608292011-01-30T15:32:39.288+11:002011-01-30T15:32:39.288+11:00You have got to be joking.
It seems that truth is...<i>You have got to be joking.</i><br /><br />It seems that truth is <i>still</i> stranger than fiction. :)Van Wijknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-90090880429764184772011-01-30T13:21:26.751+11:002011-01-30T13:21:26.751+11:00Van Wijk said,
"A Roman Catholic Bishop in t...Van Wijk said,<br /><br />"A Roman Catholic Bishop in the Netherlands has proposed people of all faiths refer to God as Allah to foster understanding"<br /><br />You have got to be joking.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46429597716114907122011-01-30T12:38:30.174+11:002011-01-30T12:38:30.174+11:00"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsma..."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman"<br /><br /><i><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/9236187/why_catholics_love_to_be_kicked_around_by_ed_balls/" rel="nofollow">Whereas</a> Anglicans still favour the Tory Party over Labour, by 32 per cent to 23, Catholics stand by the son of the manse, with 29 per cent of those surveyed still supporting the party, and another 8 per cent supporting the even more anti-Catholic Liberal Democrats.</i><br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/008584.html" rel="nofollow">A Roman Catholic Bishop</a> in the Netherlands has proposed people of all faiths refer to God as Allah to foster understanding, stoking an already heated debate on religious tolerance in a country with one million Muslims.</i><br /><br /><i><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8065583.stm" rel="nofollow">The Archbishops of Canterbury and York</a> have urged voters not to let anger over the expenses scandal drive them to vote for the BNP in next month's elections.</i><br /><br />And on and on and on...Van Wijknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59138729454034981722011-01-30T00:10:56.062+11:002011-01-30T00:10:56.062+11:00Mark:
"The statistic that always floors me is...Mark:<br />"The statistic that always floors me is that in modern 'gender equity' type marriages women only spend 5.3 hours per week with their children. That's way less than traditionally minded men spend with their kids per week (9.2 hours), even though traditional men are highly committed to their jobs."<br /><br />My goodness - I must spend over 20 hours/week with my boy, as well as full-time employment. Even my wife (who nominally works just under full time) I'd say spends around 15 hours or so with him. 2 hours in the morning, 3-4 at night, all day weekends.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22164939086826928572011-01-29T21:41:25.781+11:002011-01-29T21:41:25.781+11:00Anon,
You appear to be right. There's informa...Anon,<br /><br />You appear to be right. There's information <a href="http://brewright.blogspot.com/2006/12/divorce-rates-among-christians-by.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> showing that Christians who never attend church have a 49% divorce rate, whilst those who attend weekly have a 27% rate.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8998292030233755232011-01-29T20:47:17.421+11:002011-01-29T20:47:17.421+11:00Anonymous reader, it's a simple fact that ther...Anonymous reader, it's a simple fact that there are a lot of people around who call themselves Roman Catholic who attend their church may be once a year with Christmas and couldn't care less about that Church's teachings on various issues.<br /><br />Being traditionalist isn't the same as being Roman Catholic. Vox Popoli had statistics on his site which show that Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant who take their religion seriously (measured by regular church attendance, praying, reading the Bible etc) have much lower chances of divorce.<br /><br />I think for Catholics who use NFP the divorce rate was about 4%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10947704640188160082011-01-29T16:48:26.505+11:002011-01-29T16:48:26.505+11:00There's certainly research showing that tradit...There's certainly research showing that traditional marriages are, on average, happier and more durable:<br /><br /><i>male breadwinner families with women specialising in unpaid childrearing and housework are superior to other forms in providing stability, continuity and marital happiness ... an argument recently extended to include families where the woman is part-time employed and the man remains the primary earner ... The existence of economic persistent female breadwinner families to the extent they indeed involve low levels of commitment by the man to family, and to the extent they rear fewer children, supports [this] view.</i><br /><br />And this:<br /><br /><i>Men who are married to more traditional-minded women ... are more likely to devote themselves to spending quality time with their wives.<br /><br />... adherence to traditional beliefs and practices regarding gender seems to be tied not only to global marital happiness but also - suprisingly enough - to expressive patterns of marriage ...<br /><br />women's gender role liberalism ... [is] associated with lower levels of women's happiness with the affection and understanding they receive from their husbands.</i><br /><br />(See <a href="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2007/04/what-kind-of-marriage-makes-women.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2006/08/role-reversal-in-family-what-does.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for the posts summarising the research.)<br /><br />The statistic that always floors me is that in modern 'gender equity' type marriages women only spend 5.3 hours per week with their children. That's way less than traditionally minded men spend with their kids per week (9.2 hours), even though traditional men are highly committed to their jobs.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.com