tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post5157854938714259340..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Australian women to serve in combat for which profound reason?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29465823277018582132011-10-04T23:07:05.990+11:002011-10-04T23:07:05.990+11:00http://www.fredoneverything.net/WomenInCombat.shtm...http://www.fredoneverything.net/WomenInCombat.shtmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24778368951785194102011-10-04T10:52:03.537+11:002011-10-04T10:52:03.537+11:00Got to love it.Got to love it.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63013684424797301692011-10-03T09:37:25.009+11:002011-10-03T09:37:25.009+11:00Jesse 7:
"Every time the flag gets raised in ...Jesse 7:<br />"Every time the flag gets raised in another country I'm happy..."<br /><br />That's a natural reaction; the tribal Will to Power is very visceral. It's great seeing "our boys" beat up "their boys".Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59495639858657960462011-10-01T14:32:46.294+10:002011-10-01T14:32:46.294+10:00If I was still serving and women were allowed into...If I was still serving and women were allowed into front line combat positions, I would resign. Simple as that. I served in a mixed corps for a time and it was truly pathetic in comparison, to an all man combat units. <br /><br />In all honesty if standards are not dropped women will not make it to the front line. Dropping the standards would be the only way, and that prospect disgusts me. <br /><br />This is a political stunt to try and drum up the women vote for Gillard, in an attempt to paint Abbott as Misogynist. Funny how this decision comes out on the day, the polls post Abbott is now equal to Gillard on the women vote. <br /><br />The progressive politic machine is truly pathetic and open book. <br /><br />This is the opinion of a 30 year old ex soldier.Craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52368900877782337052011-10-01T10:22:42.948+10:002011-10-01T10:22:42.948+10:00Simon,
Every time the flag gets raised in another...Simon,<br /><br />Every time the flag gets raised in another country I'm happy. If humanitarian missions involve helping other countries that we might not like they also involve spreading our culture to the world and showing our superiority, both of which I support. We are also good Samaritans when we help other countries and unless we go too far and let all their peoples into our lands, there are many benefits from being activist/vigorous and going overseas. These include increases in world power, influence and the destruction of enemies. <br /><br />I can assure you that the current debt crises of the west are not caused by these wars but by too much indulgence and a horrendous lack of foresight. A strong and employed military is an indicator of a strong nation whilst the absence of a useable military or will to fight indicates a country in its last stages. <br /><br />There should be people at home cleaning things up and they should be the police force.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-67807154796251255062011-10-01T03:53:23.560+10:002011-10-01T03:53:23.560+10:00Jesse 7:
"Save your life (the casualty rates ...Jesse 7:<br />"Save your life (the casualty rates in these wars aren't that great btw) and let your nation die? That doesn't sound like the way to go."<br /><br />Unless you're SEAL Team 6 and you just shot bin Laden*, serving in Afghanistan does nothing to serve your country. Quite the reverse. The same is true for all the recent wars of 'humanitarian intervention'.<br /><br />*And that was in Pakistan.<br /><br />General Dannatt a few years back said that the British Army should be home defending our own streets, not overseas in Iraq furthering our elites' "invade/invite the world" madness. He was right then and he's right now.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24818668118125597532011-09-30T16:55:17.525+10:002011-09-30T16:55:17.525+10:00If there weren't double physical standards for...If there weren't double physical standards for men and women in the military, would there even BE any women there? I've read most women can't even do a single pull-up. So, end that, and all would be well. Of course, that won't happen.CamelCaseRobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59946454858978585052011-09-30T16:52:58.191+10:002011-09-30T16:52:58.191+10:00Save your life (the casualty rates in these wars a...Save your life (the casualty rates in these wars aren't that great btw) and let your nation die? That doesn't sound like the way to go.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65996797527565967712011-09-30T15:12:38.838+10:002011-09-30T15:12:38.838+10:00"Men should continue to serve in the military..."Men should continue to serve in the military because it is honourable and right to defend and serve your country. Even if the countries' leaders betray their obligations, and they are, its not right that we should also."<br /><br />I don't really regard Australia as my own country anymore. If there was ever evidence for convservative stupidity this is it. The wars in the middle east are a killing field for conservative males and females.<br />Maybe conservatives should think about conserving their lives instead of defending the liberal multicultural monstrosity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89608908097686173282011-09-30T13:48:18.198+10:002011-09-30T13:48:18.198+10:00Simon and Anonymous,
Men should continue to serve...Simon and Anonymous,<br /><br />Men should continue to serve in the military because it is honourable and right to defend and serve your country. Even if the countries' leaders betray their obligations, and they are, its not right that we should also.<br /><br />Don't forget that this awesome change has the backing of the service chiefs, and I suspect of many people also who think its a ticket to quick career advancement. It has always been the case that those who seek self serving routes will follow the political fashions of the moment. A country, nation and history though cannot be allowed to fall, because of the weakness of transitory leaders. This is our country and we have an obligation to help ensure its future. To those who feel dismayed remember that history is not a single lane road going one way or the other, and that we have experienced many setbacks in the past and overcome them.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30107120928149360362011-09-30T12:52:24.584+10:002011-09-30T12:52:24.584+10:00Perhaps conservatives and traditionalists should s...Perhaps conservatives and traditionalists should stop sending their sons and now soon their daughters to the military. Let only liberals enlist. So the roles of society will be reversed. Liberals will be defending people who make families and children. Rather than Conservatives dying to support people who are against the nuclear family.<br />This could be a good change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-69815618851137637172011-09-30T08:41:37.610+10:002011-09-30T08:41:37.610+10:00Jesse,
Your first comment got caught in the spam ...Jesse,<br /><br />Your first comment got caught in the spam box - apologies.<br /><br />You make a very good point, one that I had considered putting in the post. NZ and Canada are, if I remember correctly, the only other countries to have all combat positions opened up to women, but the difference is that they can afford to have ineffective armed services - Canada can rely on the US to shield it, NZ seems to rely on Australia.<br /><br />The problem for Australia is that we're more likely to be a target, given our mineral wealth. So we need the US alliance, which then commits us to supporting the US militarily.<br /><br />So I'm not sure we can follow the path of NZ and Canada. I think it's more likely that feminists will throw a certain number of young women under the bus in order to satsify their overall officer career objectives.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18356677670982559332011-09-30T06:53:56.225+10:002011-09-30T06:53:56.225+10:00anon:
" This is intended to cripple the Austr...anon:<br />" This is intended to cripple the Australian military so that things will be easier when the time for a Red Chinese invasion & occupation comes. It's the same reason that they've done this in the U.S. & Britain."<br /><br />If only the world made that much sense! The people wrecking our societies may be Maoists, but they don't take orders from Peking.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33866313538633759982011-09-30T06:46:59.328+10:002011-09-30T06:46:59.328+10:00Liesel:
"The IDF tried this a while back. It ...Liesel:<br />"The IDF tried this a while back. It became such a disaster that Israel quickly abandoned it."<br /><br />Single-sex all-female units can do ok in terms of combat effectiveness, if sufficiently selective. It's mixed sex fighting units that are disastrous.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43773283171433408292011-09-30T06:44:59.357+10:002011-09-30T06:44:59.357+10:00Anon:
"Conservative males who fight for a lib...Anon:<br />"Conservative males who fight for a liberal society that despises them are simply stupid."<br /><br />That's my feeling now (didn't use to be, I was in the TA a few years). It was the US General George Casey's reaction to the Fort Hood massacre by the jihadi Major Nidal Hassan - 'it would be a greater tragedy if Diversity suffered' - that sealed it for me. Unless things change radically I'm going to strongly discourage my son from joining the military.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20111516733832656712011-09-30T06:41:37.780+10:002011-09-30T06:41:37.780+10:00And you guys don't even have any nukes!
I'...And you guys don't even have any nukes!<br /><br />I'm sure it doesn't occur to any Liberal in a million years that Australia could ever again face a serious military threat. It's all 'humanitarian intervention' and 'peacekeeping'.<br /><br />Re: "Would fathers really passively allow their daughters to be conscripted to die violently in combat?"<br /><br />I wouldn't be too keen on my (12-14 years from now) son being conscripted either, unless the enemy were on the beaches*, in which case I'd presumably be conscripted alongside him. At this point I have zero trust in any of our governments to fight a just war. I'm not sure that female conscription would be a big issue in Britain, though - we're not very chivalrous. Maybe if there were a Feminist critique of it...<br /><br />*OK, technically the enemy were outside my front door for several hours this evening, the radical Salafis from just down the street were busy working on the moderate Muslims next door - again.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30805303863223065642011-09-30T05:33:35.966+10:002011-09-30T05:33:35.966+10:00Although there will no doubt still be some men who...<i>Although there will no doubt still be some men who will be oriented to a life in the military, I suspect that large numbers of men will find the prospect of serving feminist officers in a feminist military unappealing.</i><br /><br />The commenter 28 September 2011 11:21 has illustrated this point:<br /><br /><b><i>I'm not going to allow my son to be conscripted to die in combat, either. <br /><br />Conservative males who fight for a liberal society that despises them are simply stupid.</i></b>Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-90895865364624965912011-09-29T23:41:41.385+10:002011-09-29T23:41:41.385+10:00Yes this decision will send our army down the weak...Yes this decision will send our army down the weak path of Canada and NZ, encourage ineffectiveness in our forces and create an overall desire to avoid military conflicts, no matter the provocation, at all costs.<br /><br />We shouldn't feel that these changes are final and permanent though, we should feel bold and confident enough to undo the mad and destructive social changes of the left.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-67751276475074058112011-09-29T21:29:37.468+10:002011-09-29T21:29:37.468+10:00Even Greg Sheridan, who for decades has given squa...Even Greg Sheridan, who for decades has given squalid nihilistic yobs a bad name - and who in the past has never met a single form of anti-Western, anti-Christian, and anti-white treachery he didn't like - has drawn the line at the latest social engineering, in his latest column for <i>The Australian</i>: <br /><br />http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/women-have-no-place-in-combat/story-e6frgd0x-1226149860334<br /><br />As Sheridan doubtless realises, it's madness sending Australian women into combat when there are plenty of Australian girly-boys who should be sent there first.A. Reddingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-41238251320942500192011-09-29T17:01:37.444+10:002011-09-29T17:01:37.444+10:00Yes this decision will not let women experience Ga...Yes this decision will not let women experience Gallipoli but will turn us into Canada and NZ, which these days are two notoriously combat adverse nations with substantially ineffective or non existent militaries. (Poor Canada when they have deployed recently to Afghanistan their casualty rates have been far too high).<br /><br />Well this is it lads we don't have to sit in a position where the left and liberals take the initiative on change and we only fight defence and rear guard, we have to be on the front foot too and propose our own changes. Item number 1 reverse this decision.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79973430351114905892011-09-29T16:49:01.646+10:002011-09-29T16:49:01.646+10:00No one could possibly be stupid enough to allow wo...No one could possibly be stupid enough to allow women in the Defence Force so that they can then feel warm & fuzzy. This is done with malice. The real reason is that communist agents have infiltrated all western governments to the very highest level. This is intended to cripple the Australian military so that things will be easier when the time for a Red Chinese invasion & occupation comes. It's the same reason that they've done this in the U.S. & Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15387767474567819522011-09-29T15:09:19.327+10:002011-09-29T15:09:19.327+10:00I wonder how long this rabid desire for "equa...<i>I wonder how long this rabid desire for "equality" will last when Modern Womyn (just like men) start coming home disfigured, crippled, maimed, in body bags, and as separate pieces in body bags?</i><br /><br />They already are (in America, anyway) and apparently nobody cares.<br /><br />http://apps.washingtonpost.com/national/fallen/sexes/f/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28180628231535551092011-09-29T14:19:35.791+10:002011-09-29T14:19:35.791+10:00All the chickadees can go home now and stop playin...All the chickadees can go home now and stop playing soldiers. We aren't in a swedish kindergarten, this is the real world, and in the real world, when fifty men and fifty women go up against a hundred well trained men they're gonna get the crap beat out of them.<br />I thank God I'm combat arms USMC, ain't got put up with that crap yet, though I hear its coming. God help us when it does.<br /><br />-NWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35551682950786225392011-09-29T13:58:18.056+10:002011-09-29T13:58:18.056+10:00The only legitimate criteria for selecting combat ...<i>The only legitimate criteria for selecting combat soldiers should be the soldier's ability to do the job.<br /><br />The other issues raised in the post are simply bias.</i><br /><br />I just love that. For several hundred years now liberals have resorted to the same hackneyed phrases to dismiss any opposition: "bias" "prejudice" etc. It sure beats having to think out an answer.<br /><br /><i>It is awful for small children to lose a mother, but it's also terrible for them to lose a father. There is no difference.</i><br /><br />Both are terrible but there is a difference. I doubt if the child will think of his father's death as a form of abandonment.<br /><br /><i>combat positions will probably still continue to be filled largely by men and combat will retain its allure of machismo.</i><br /><br />Maybe, but it depends on whether a tipping point is reached or not. It depends too on how far the institution is feminised in order to make the women soldiers feel comfortable; how much the institution is politicised with the men being berated for sins against women and so on.<br /><br />Although there will no doubt still be some men who will be oriented to a life in the military, I suspect that large numbers of men will find the prospect of serving feminist officers in a feminist military unappealing. <br /><br /><i>your suggestion implies that men are incapable of seeing their own worth except in terms of how they can distinguish themselves from women.</i><br /><br />That's nice given that liberal moderns can only see worth in the trappings of careerism. I'd suggest, Georgina, that your pity is better expended on those women who believe that getting to some officer level in the army is what gives their life worth. <br /><br /><i>Fostering a culture of respect for women (as well as for combat soldiers) would go a long way towards eradicating the notion that such the worthy endeavor of soldiering is no longer worthwhile if even women are allowed to participate.</i><br /><br />I don't think you get men, Georgina. Men are not going to respect women if they are bombarded with images of women training to kill, or if men are desensitised to the idea of women being killed violently on the battlefield.<br /><br />That will just make men indifferent to the fate of women.<br /><br />Men respect women who embody the lovelier qualities of womanhood; who act out of love for their families; who are loyal to the men in their lives; and who are responsible in carrying through their necessary role in society (i.e. who don't act destructively).Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65726820910543307542011-09-29T10:30:08.803+10:002011-09-29T10:30:08.803+10:00Half of the women will defect to the enemy because...Half of the women will defect to the enemy because they fall in love with the foreign men treating them badly.<br />I thank god every day im leaving this joke country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com