tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post4627095906802222259..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Why feminism is evil 1Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-70818221844233252102016-08-27T13:33:26.187+10:002016-08-27T13:33:26.187+10:00My friend, feminism is not evil at all. It urges y...My friend, feminism is not evil at all. It urges young women to believe we live in a rape cultured world because we do so many girls and boys for that matter! Have had this happen in some form to them, feminism is the equality of the sexes and it is most certainly good. <br /><br />Sincerely, Princess OakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-45324581788258897722016-07-01T07:51:50.089+10:002016-07-01T07:51:50.089+10:00John, that's very well put. You can see how ea...John, that's very well put. You can see how easy it is for those who are by nature conservative to get caught within the right-liberal framing. After all, right-liberals are not hammering away exclusively at Western men the way that left-liberals are. And yet the social order the right-liberals are ultimately defending is a liberal one. Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7194683934932250702016-07-01T02:55:27.631+10:002016-07-01T02:55:27.631+10:00Interesting to read Ian's remarks about Islam ...Interesting to read Ian's remarks about Islam as that is where my thoughts went also after reading Mark's words in the post.<br /><br />Regarding Islam and the male-female dynamic, a particular defense is needed against the right-liberal frame of things. Ian rightly notes that leftists seem not to notice the egregious violations of their claimed principles of equality between men and women when these violations occur within Islamic cultures, and Mark rightly points out that ressentiment as the overall impetus explains the consistency in what otherwise appears to be a gross inconsistency.<br /><br />However, the right-liberal framing of the male-female dynamic vis-a-vis Islam is a concession to this ressentiment in its own way, even if not quite as bitter. The frame is characterized by the challenge to leftists in the form of the question "if you are genuinely concerned about the plight of women, why don't you focus on where women are <i>truly</i> oppressed - among Islamic cultures?" I.e., WE - the right-liberals - are the TRUE feminists who truly care about oppressed women.<br /><br />The right-liberal therefore concedes the narrative of man as oppressor of woman, just not here in our enlightened, democratic societies. It's over there in cultures not like ours. Men are naturally oppressors of women, and the antidote is to adopt modern liberal democracy to guard against it. Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-62826826259457498542016-07-01T00:05:37.246+10:002016-07-01T00:05:37.246+10:00Certainly, the Left presents itself to the general...Certainly, the Left presents itself to the general public (dishonestly, of course) as the defenders and champions of Enlightenment, liberal values, seeking only to apply them more consistently and inclusively. No doubt, this is what is believed by the majority of the Left's supporters among affluent ladies-who-lunch and golf-playing suburban professionals and businessmen. My suggestion is that this is merely a public relations ploy; the elite groups that generate the causes the Left takes up, it seems to me, are seeking something entirely different from a realization of Enlightenment values, namely, their ultimate destruction (along with the West itself as a cultural entity and the West's pre-Enlightenment heritage) and replacement with ---something else.djfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448255075063582987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-36902484670380537192016-06-30T12:08:13.495+10:002016-06-30T12:08:13.495+10:00Ian, it's possible for both to be true. For a ...Ian, it's possible for both to be true. For a radical leftist driven by ressentiment, the aim might be to destroy "the fathers" and therefore to see the destruction of one's own society as the real aim. But for some intellectual moderns, caught within the larger modernist philosophical world view/understanding of life, the transsexualism, multiculturalism etc might be thought to be just.<br /><br />I don't think we can cure those suffering from ressentiment, but what we can do is to try to stop younger intellectual types from falling into the liberal political orthodoxy, so that is what I have tended to focus on.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38739032382732158552016-06-30T04:36:57.029+10:002016-06-30T04:36:57.029+10:00It seems to me that, for the Left (including its f...It seems to me that, for the Left (including its feminist wing), this part of the male-female dynamic is acceptable when it appears among Muslims, or when the man is a Muslim. This sort of inconsistency, in many contexts, leads me to suspect that the Left's is real goal is to tear down the West (not immediately, but in the long run). The business about male/female equality, sexual interchangeability, normalization/sacralization of homosexuality and transsexualism - all of this may be intended, not as enduring values, but as a means, in combination with official multiculturalism and mass immigration, of destroying Western cultures over the course of a few generations. We are not supposed to catch on, of course. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it is a good working hypothesis.djfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448255075063582987noreply@blogger.com