tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post3810376233417784111..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: More on liberalism & autonomyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-715889913734015342010-04-05T08:07:26.207+10:002010-04-05T08:07:26.207+10:00Liberal individual autonomy tends to discount the ...Liberal individual autonomy tends to discount the value of corporal institutional authority. And historical tradition, the wisdom incorporated in the myriad of practices and principles handed down by ancestors.<br /><br />Modernist liberals such as Hobbes, Hume, Burke and Hayek at least had the sense to recognise the complementarity between autonomy and authority.<br /><br />But post-modernist liberals have completely lost the plot.jack strocchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17534084770633227131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15280287405056399812010-04-05T06:06:01.795+10:002010-04-05T06:06:01.795+10:00But Agrarianism teaches corporate effort. Xenophon...But Agrarianism teaches corporate effort. Xenophon. <br /><br />Second, Liberty requires defense. How does an individual defend himself from a group? What is the state of Nature?<br /><br />Plato begins his magnus opus, The Laws, with the Doric Cretan cognition that "Life is War". If that is what reality is--how does the individual autonomy work? I thought Aristotle said, "Man is a SOCIAL animal" more than the bee is. <br /><br />Are you feeding on the trough of human ideology? Or shouldn't you be knowledgeable about the Natural Law. Individualism gets you killed. <br /><br />The idea of "freedom" is a Masonic/Enlightenment teaching.WLindsayWheelernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35469859920304322452010-04-04T02:41:42.447+10:002010-04-04T02:41:42.447+10:00"Central to liberalism is the concept of poli..."Central to liberalism is the concept of political freedom."<br /><br />I'd be curious to know how Raz squares this with liberal efforts to deny political freedom to its opponents, for example by demonizing (and often criminalizing) their words as "hate".<br /><br />Does Raz draw any connection between political freedom and economic freedom? The more state control over the economic life of the individual, the less meaningful that individual's political freedom will be, if it is even possible at all. If the state provides your job and your health insurance, how will you dare oppose it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28601098482701939172010-04-04T02:07:38.473+11:002010-04-04T02:07:38.473+11:00You are going to find the Raz book quite interesti...You are going to find the Raz book quite interesting. Although remaining a liberal, Raz acknowledges that there are many forms of human flourishing that are not highly autonomous. And he sees that autonomy is not meaningful without a society that provides a wide range of options. <br /><br />Another interesting point is that liberal neutrality is seen as incoherent, because liberal values must take their meaning from some conception of the good life.<br /><br />I will look forward to your comments after you have had a chance to read this book. Thanks for your great work. - ThucydidesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com