tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post3726852379612784499..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Aussie Muslim: let us take overUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52517580210823903622011-06-15T23:46:53.648+10:002011-06-15T23:46:53.648+10:00Aussie Muslims: let us take over"???? Well yo...<a href="http://www.crescenttimes.com.au" rel="nofollow">Aussie Muslims</a>: let us take over"???? Well you got an Interesting thoughts,,<br />I'm sure all of your readers have now raise their awareness.Helgahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07098245455218028520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-4837494687162116232011-05-06T22:55:36.064+10:002011-05-06T22:55:36.064+10:00GOOD LUCK YOU MORON!! STICK YOUR RELIGION!YOU DESE...GOOD LUCK YOU MORON!! STICK YOUR RELIGION!YOU DESERVE TO BE SHIPPED OFF TO THE HELL WHOLE WERE YOUR RUBBISH RELIGION CAME FROM!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22735127600804485292011-02-12T05:49:24.960+11:002011-02-12T05:49:24.960+11:00Aussie Strife over Pesantren Hand-Outs - Oz Taxes ...Aussie Strife over Pesantren Hand-Outs - Oz Taxes Helping or Hindering Islamists?<br /><br />http://rossrightangle.info/aussie-strife-over-pesantren-hand-outs-oz-taxes-helping-or-hindering-islamists-8979/MORFINY BOOKS WORLD REVIEWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11327268798762330191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1067659000121450142011-01-30T22:26:11.320+11:002011-01-30T22:26:11.320+11:00This guys says,
"you can't get more aus...This guys says, <br /><br />"you can't get more aussie than me". Its a pretty watered down concept then.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79135502246492258992011-01-27T14:20:45.735+11:002011-01-27T14:20:45.735+11:00Nikita said,
"And what do you think has enra...Nikita said,<br /><br />"And what do you think has enraged these citizens of pro western brutal dictators so much?"<br /><br />They'll always find something to be outraged about. <br /><br />Indonesia, is an asian country and their islam is different to the arabs and more laid back. Still we have terrorist groups coming out of there. They're also one of the poorer countries in Asia and that's not because of us. There are so few successful muslim countries its ridiculous.<br /><br />Brunei, a small welfare state siting on an oil well. Malaysia, its the substantial Chinese population that makes that country work as it does. They're useless. They don't want to work, (Inshallah, the work will be finished, I'm going for a break), they don't want to have sensible politics. Turkey is one exception and they're sliding back, and never managed proper democracy anyway, and Tunisa was heavily influenced by the French. <br /><br />Because they're useless they'd rather thump their chest and be hostile to the west than build their own countries. They can certainly live off oil money for a little while longer and come here and suck up welfare, but it seems they can't move on from being jerks. Islam is a self righteous warrior religion after all.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-87673139908074030712011-01-27T14:02:39.906+11:002011-01-27T14:02:39.906+11:00"Sorry Nikita but if the U.S backed dictators..."Sorry Nikita but if the U.S backed dictators in KSA, Egypt and North Africa went tomorrow most of the citizens would vote for either Islamist influenced or outrightly islamist Parties"<br /><br />You are absolutely right, they will fall straight into the welcoming arms of extremist Islam. And what do you think has enraged these citizens of pro western brutal dictators so much? The extremists will fill the vacuum left by the anarchy of a non functioning state. The point I was making by mentioning Turkey and Indonesia was that if you allow democracy to blosom (at least to an extent) then you find that these people just want to live a normal life like the rest of us. But go on subjugating them if you want and see how that works out for you.....not exactly a succuss thus far?Nikita from Messiniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114726393743744147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-66917136282412329662011-01-27T13:39:08.420+11:002011-01-27T13:39:08.420+11:00Nikita from Messinia said...
""I'm ...Nikita from Messinia said...<br /><br />""I'm talking about what PEOPLE want.""<br /><br />Ouch.<br /><br />Sorry Nikita but if the U.S backed dictators in KSA, Egypt and North Africa went tomorrow most of the citizens would vote for either Islamist influenced or outrightly islamist Parties.<br /><br />The one exception is Tunisia, and god I wish them well because they are about the only bright spark on the whole damn coast. <br /><br />Mainly this is to the fact that they had to develop an economy not based on getting bad smelling black stuff out of the ground, and that required a more educated workforce and more complex social interractions which clashed with the peasant-village-Mosque culture of much of the Islamic world.<br /><br />""perhaps you missed the ferocious secular protests in Turkey calling for an end to the subversive "Islamisation" of the authorities?""<br /><br />Those protests were much bigger and much more broad based a few years ago, at least according the the news reports i see.<br /><br />Plus those protests are made of the Urban elite, which is westernised even to the point of having a large socialist element.<br /><br />The only people capable of stopping this slow slide were the Army and poss the far right movements of Turkey, both have lost considerable ground over the past few years.<br /><br />And if by chance in the next few decades the EU falls apart and Turkey moves ever closer to an Islamist culture that would make Greece one of the unluckiest places on earth [again].Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28978351985569033412011-01-27T07:31:14.884+11:002011-01-27T07:31:14.884+11:00Nikita,
"I'm talking about what PEOPLE w...Nikita,<br /><br />"I'm talking about what PEOPLE want"<br /><br />In Turkey the push for Sharia is led by the people.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65229012858711957732011-01-27T07:21:22.064+11:002011-01-27T07:21:22.064+11:00Anonymous, you've misunderstood my point, I...Anonymous, you've misunderstood my point, I'm not talking about what the AUTHORITIES were/are doing, I'm talking about what PEOPLE want. As a Greek I know all about the Turks crimes against non Muslims, perhaps you missed the ferocious secular protests in Turkey calling for an end to the subversive "Islamisation" of the authorities?Nikita from Messiniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114726393743744147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23654894302795448572011-01-27T04:22:08.489+11:002011-01-27T04:22:08.489+11:00Nikita
when muslims have been allowed to express t...Nikita<br /><i>when muslims have been allowed to express themselves by the authorities (ie Turkey and Indonesia) the average citizen chooses democracy and freedom,</i><br /><br />This is simply not true. The AKP in Turkey is steadily Islamizing that country, as the last generation of Turks that fully bought into Ataturkism fades from the scene. The urban areas are more secular, but the votes are out in Anatolia where the birth rate is much higher. The Turkish Army has had it special status as protector of the Turkish state taken away from it. The Turkish army rank and file are increasingly Moslems first and Turks second. The Turkish office of religion has had its power to censor the Friday sermons taken away from it. <br /><br />All the levers that Ataturk put in place to push Turkey in a secular direction have been removed or seriously reduced in power. As a result, Turkey is becoming more Islamic, and the average Turkish voter has no problem with that. <br /><br />And one last thing: even when Turkey was oh-so-secular, many Sharia laws remained in place, such as the dhimmi code regarding churches and Jewish houses of worship. The Eastern Orthodox church is in a quandary, because the top seminary in Istanbul was quietly closed some years back, and that was the sole source for over 1,000 years for certain churchmen.<br />Christians in western Turkey face enormous issues just keeping churches in one piece, because the government has never been friendly to granting permits to repair, and forget building anything new. Of course as you surely know, there are no Christians in eastern Turkey. The Armenians "went away", as one Turkish tourist guide to the Lake Van area put it. And we both know how that happened, don't we? Or do you?<br /><br />The number of Jews in Turkey has steadily dwindled to a tiny number today, in part because the government persistently refused not only permits to build new temples, but even to repair old ones. <br /><br />There's more, much more, but I do not have the time post it. Suffice to say, "secular" Turkey has always been something of a myth, and it has visibly changed in the last 15 years, thanks in part to the "voting public".Anonymous Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84129242229661871772011-01-27T01:37:46.442+11:002011-01-27T01:37:46.442+11:00We are closer to a Muslim attempt at take-over tha...We are closer to a Muslim attempt at take-over than you are, but they should not forget that even though the French people can be very quiet, even to the point of being supine, they usually flare up pretty quick whenever their material standards are threatened, which would be the case. We can be hot-headed sometimes, no doubt the National Razor could resume its former employment in no time.Southern Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76253627451907410802011-01-26T20:55:56.762+11:002011-01-26T20:55:56.762+11:00Npinkpanther,
Sooner or latter they were going to...Npinkpanther,<br /><br />Sooner or latter they were going to start openly talking like this. They've been saying it privately for ages.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-49842449047183421262011-01-26T20:24:30.789+11:002011-01-26T20:24:30.789+11:00This treasonous twit is not helping his cause one ...This treasonous twit is not helping his cause one bit by publically announcing that he intends to fight Australians in order to impose Islamic rule upon us. Especially that comment, "I hate democracy with a pure hate" - ooh, I bet that'll go down well.Npinkpantherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356300503647396779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43196972788561616362011-01-26T08:52:40.266+11:002011-01-26T08:52:40.266+11:00"perhaps they're "enraged" beca..."perhaps they're "enraged" because American backed dictators have completely subjugated so many middle east countries?"<br /><br />Rubbish, when the western backed dictators go they replace them with yet more oppressive Islamic dictators. We're the only ones who encourage or bring in Western standards and democracy.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7288822728126223362011-01-26T01:21:49.490+11:002011-01-26T01:21:49.490+11:00"We hope, and our objective is to have a peac..."We hope, and our objective is to have a peaceful transition, but when you look at history that has never been the case. There's always been a fight."<br /><br />I can't imagine why. (It is human nature to resist change to way of life and Islamic rule is not exactly a minor change.) <br /><br />"I hate the parliament. I hate [democracy] with a pure hate," he says. Moreover, it is obligatory for all Muslims to reject democracy, because it is a challenge to God's law:"<br /><br />This is Islamic nationalism at work. This is a basic cause of the many wars between Islam and the modern national government.joe six-packhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712147932436398237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-61372005613868892602011-01-25T23:37:36.133+11:002011-01-25T23:37:36.133+11:00perhaps they're "enraged" because Am...perhaps they're "enraged" because American backed dictators have completely subjugated so many middle east countries? I mean our "friends" in Saudi Arabia are just about the most despicible regime in the world? And the "enraged" Tunisians who've just thrown out a "pro western" dictator are probably likely to elect the previously banned Islamic Party if they're allowed to have free elections? You reap what you sow I guess?Nikita from Messiniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114726393743744147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-85484247486657115682011-01-25T23:15:13.374+11:002011-01-25T23:15:13.374+11:00Yet the Muslim world is "enraged". It do...Yet the Muslim world is "enraged". It doesn't stop them from shitting on the west.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-88063922478032461872011-01-25T22:57:59.577+11:002011-01-25T22:57:59.577+11:00"Afghanistan has over 60% approval rating for..."Afghanistan has over 60% approval rating for the mission"<br /><br />That's interesting that you would mention this, as I found a poll of Afghan people from late 2005 which states that 82% supported the overthrowing of the Taliban, with 90% having an unfavourable view of Osama Bin Laden.<br />http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brasiapacificra/155.php?nid=&id=&pnt=155&lb=bras<br />With the Taliban of course representing a barbaric medieval form of islam, haven't you just added weight to my argument that most muslims want to be rid of these types of fruitcakes that are ruining their lives?Nikita from Messiniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114726393743744147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29388843971405542342011-01-25T21:54:15.584+11:002011-01-25T21:54:15.584+11:00What Van Wijk is saying is that you're a liber...What Van Wijk is saying is that you're a liberal, as in liberalism, which hardly makes you conservative, nor does it make Ron Paul, mr right libertarian, a conservative.<br /><br />All the Muslims are sweethearts. Great so they won't mind respecting our customs and not wearing the Burqa in our lands? They won't mind publicly rejecting any idea of taking over nor of importing their customary law into ours. <br /><br />As for the reasons for the Muslim anger you must be joking. "American foreign" policy, which consists in keeping the region stable so oil can be sold, which they profit off, has made these jerkoffs rich. If they waste their money on Whabbi colleges and white elephants that's their problem. If they can't manage to give themselves decent government, again their problem. If they're "angry" because the two most incompetent and hostile regimes in the region were taken out they should be rejoicing rather than hostile. Indeed they are, Afghanistan has over 60% approval rating for the mission.<br /><br />The problem is that "American foreign policy" isn't a practical imposition on them, as I said they benefit, but it is an affront to their pride, because nobody should be better than a muslim. You're at the front lines. Enjoy living in a muslim country.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-80683418000963581652011-01-25T21:13:18.019+11:002011-01-25T21:13:18.019+11:00As an aside, while you may think you have me pegge...<i>As an aside, while you may think you have me pegged after viewing my blog, but it may surprise you to know that I would vote for Malcolm Turnbull over Gillard any day, and that I've previously praised conservatives like Gerard Henderson and Ron Paul.</i><br /><br />Ha! If you only knew how revealing this little tidbit is. "Conservatives like Ron Paul" indeed!Van Wijknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8230546633439623282011-01-25T19:22:50.652+11:002011-01-25T19:22:50.652+11:00The "muslims are evil" gibe is implied b...The "muslims are evil" gibe is implied by the comments on these pages, which is sad considering we Christians are the successors of rulers who believed they enjoyed a "divine right", and were "God's envoy" on earth. Christianity being the one true faith with all other persons being apostates requiring conversion...or death....any of this sound familiar? Thankfully with our modern secular education we've moved past this type of thought process and no longer pay attention to the Sunday sermons reminding us not to have sex with condoms but discriminate against homosexuals etc. <br />It may surprise you to know, but your average muslim just wants to have a decent livelihood, provide for their family and be free to go about their business (like the rest of us). Now there's a huge anger in the Islamic world against the west (but mainly against the US), but I'm sure I don't have to list the reasons here? It's pretty self evident I would presume? While there are ongoing debates in the islamic world over democracy, sharia law etc, when muslims have been allowed to express themselves by the authorities (ie Turkey and Indonesia) the average citizen chooses democracy and freedom, so I don't buy this cold war style argument that we're being swamped by the enemy who want to destroy our values. Rotten systems like Communism and Sharia law will lose out every time should the people actually be given the right to freely choose.<br />As an aside, while you may think you have me pegged after viewing my blog, but it may surprise you to know that I would vote for Malcolm Turnbull over Gillard any day, and that I've previously praised conservatives like Gerard Henderson and Ron Paul. Not everyone can be easily pegged into a particular hole, and it's just sad that there's so much hate in so many people's hearts (aspecially at the editorial team at The Australian newspaper).Nikita from Messiniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18114726393743744147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-54145329796135439052011-01-25T12:31:46.681+11:002011-01-25T12:31:46.681+11:00Nikita,
I don't think that you read the commen...Nikita,<br />I don't think that you read the comments very carefully. Nobody here wrote "Muslims are evil". I spoke from personal experience with Muslims as to their general demeanour, and the fact that Islam encourages behaviours that are not considered civilised is not up for debate.<br /><br />That said, I have come to believe that the very first victims of Islam are Muslims themselves. Recognising that, however, does not mean that we in the West should share in their victimhood<br /><br />I looked at your blog just now and things became a whole lot clearer. To your mind, ANY negative mention of Islam is "Islamophobia". That explains why you describe the comments here as "frothing at the mouth". <br />LuzuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-26928752984091472682011-01-25T11:02:33.924+11:002011-01-25T11:02:33.924+11:00They're certainly motivated.
I think I've...They're certainly motivated.<br /><br />I think I've allready told this story but there is a growing muslim presence in the Solomon Islands, which is strongly Christian. The country is poor and they offer substantial amounts of cash to converts, and then physically intimidate those who try to leave. Its an interesting strategy.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24289156998571286472011-01-25T10:49:48.455+11:002011-01-25T10:49:48.455+11:00Jesse_7
"it is not hypocritical from an Islam...Jesse_7<br /><i>"it is not hypocritical from an Islamic point of view to use free speech to bring about Sharia, which prohibits free speech. That is because the free speech is useful to expand the control of Islam, so it serves Allah's purposes."</i><br /><br /><i>It just seems they're shameless opportunists.</i><br /><br />Certainly. First of all, humans do that naturally anyway. Second, the Suna teaches this. Read the history of early Islam, and that is quite clear. The Khybhar / Khaybar oasis is a prime example.<br /><br />Islam requires the spread of itself by <i>any means necessary</i>.Anonymous Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22913138161109467162011-01-25T10:21:38.397+11:002011-01-25T10:21:38.397+11:00Anonymous Reader said,
"it is not hypocritic...Anonymous Reader said,<br /><br />"it is not hypocritical from an Islamic point of view to use free speech to bring about Sharia, which prohibits free speech. That is because the free speech is useful to expand the control of Islam, so it serves Allah's purposes."<br /><br />It just seems they're shameless opportunists.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.com