tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post116670507253386259..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Why the left is bleeding menUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166908095464780152006-12-24T08:08:00.000+11:002006-12-24T08:08:00.000+11:00Julian, my impression that men are abandoning the ...Julian, my impression that men are abandoning the left is based on two things. <BR/><BR/>First, amongst the staff at my school all the men over the age of 50 are politically correct leftists (and fit the stereotype of left-wing teachers), whereas the younger men are much more diverse in their politics.<BR/><BR/>Second, when I visit left-liberal websites (like Larvatus Prodeo) I notice how thin on the ground heterosexual men are. The writers are nearly always women or homosexual men. <BR/><BR/>This is in contrast to right-liberal or libertarian sites (like Catallaxy) where the reverse is true, and nearly all of the writers are young, heterosexual men.<BR/><BR/>Julian, your comments about the crucial distinction between right-liberalism and traditionalist conservatism are expressed very well.<BR/><BR/>It's my hope that over the next few years we'll have a larger number of people in the political class sharing such insights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166878987746749422006-12-24T00:03:00.000+11:002006-12-24T00:03:00.000+11:00MarkBut is there any evidence that men are abandon...Mark<BR/><BR/>But is there any evidence that men are abandoning the Left? I am constantly surprised at the amount of silly offensive feminist nonsense Leftist men will tolerate and endorse, apparently sincerely. Although I am cynical enough to suspect they often don't practice what they preach in their private lives. What man could?<BR/><BR/>Most media conservatives are really right-liberals. Right-liberalism has no depth, and it tends to drift towards left-liberalism. Even figures like John Paul II were really right-liberals only, not traditionalists. And it makes them unreliable. Only traditional conservatism can be relied upon. Feminists (modern nuns make a good example) have confirmed everything that has been traditionally understood about the dangers of liberalism in relation to sexual roles.Karna O'Deahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13664573386167940506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166834008746427852006-12-23T11:33:00.000+11:002006-12-23T11:33:00.000+11:00Yes Mark that was the one sad ain't it ?Yes Mark that was the one sad ain't it ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166823089668436212006-12-23T08:31:00.000+11:002006-12-23T08:31:00.000+11:00Julian, agreed! In fact, I think it will be decisi...Julian, agreed! In fact, I think it will be decisive over the next few years whether or not we see individuals make the shift from right-liberalism to traditionalist conservatism.<BR/><BR/>Fred, thanks for the excellent link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166763519422585452006-12-22T15:58:00.000+11:002006-12-22T15:58:00.000+11:00Iain, I expect that it was this disclaimer at Earl...Iain, I expect that it was this disclaimer at Earlbecke's site which amused you:<BR/><BR/>"Feel free to leave a comment, however keep in mind that comments are moderated and that any comments deemed to be trollish or anti-feminist will not be posted."<BR/><BR/>Which translates to:<BR/><BR/>"Feel free to comment as long as you agree with me".<BR/><BR/>Which translates to:<BR/><BR/>"Don't feel free to comment I don't like being contradicted."<BR/><BR/>Unsurprisingly there aren't too many comments!<BR/><BR/>Iain, another odd thing about the feminists is that they celebrate their "femaleness" but then argue that there are no "essential" gender qualities but then write all kinds of stuff on their sites about knitting, cats, babies, dinner parties, fashion, home decorating etc.<BR/><BR/>No wonder they're a bit sensitive about allowing criticism - their theories don't generate a consistency of thought.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166762633051597232006-12-22T15:43:00.000+11:002006-12-22T15:43:00.000+11:00Bobby, I was interested in your comment that for E...Bobby, I was interested in your comment that for Earlbecke the only 'acceptable' men are those who mirror her loathing of males.<BR/><BR/>This does seem true of Earlbecke: she only wants contact with men who don't put a male view, but who quietly affirm her own attacks on men and her "superior" moral position. <BR/><BR/>BTW, I more than understand your complaints about the difficulty of relating to modern girls, having been through the process myself.<BR/><BR/>I wonder, though, if things have started to improve a bit. For instance, a certain percentage of women now seem to be dressing in a self-respecting, feminine and appealing way.<BR/><BR/>It must be a bit encouraging for the younger, single guys, who aren't meeting a solid wall of androgynous grunge or power dressing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166760099250563052006-12-22T15:01:00.000+11:002006-12-22T15:01:00.000+11:00This comment, only indirectly related to the entry...This comment, only indirectly related to the entry, is directly related to the general subject of the wrongness of women's lib:<BR/>______<BR/><BR/>"<A HREF="http://mangans.blogspot.com/2006/12/inequality.html" REL="nofollow">Kay Hymovitz, writing</A> in <I>City Journal</I>, says that America's chief source of inequality is 'the marriage gap': <BR/><BR/>" 'It’s common sense, backed up by plenty of research, that you’ll have a better chance of fully “developing” your children — that is, of fulfilling The Mission — if you have a husband around. Children of single mothers have lower grades and educational attainment than kids who grow up with married parents, even after controlling for race, family background, and IQ. Children of divorce are also less likely to graduate and attend college, and when they do go for a B.A. they tend to go to less elite schools. Cornell professor Jennifer Gerner was baffled some years ago when she noticed that only about 10 percent of her students came from divorced families. [For non-Yanks, Cornell University is considered one of the U.S.'s élite colleges.] She and her colleague Dean Lillard examined the records of students at the nation’s top 50 schools and much to their surprise found a similar pattern. Children who did not grow up with their two biological parents, they concluded when they published their findings, were only half as likely to go to a selective college. As adults, they also earned less and had lower occupational status. [...] This all points to a deeply worrying conclusion: the Marriage Gap — and the inequality to which it is tied — is self-perpetuating. A low-income single mother, unprepared to carry out The Mission, is more likely to raise children who will become low-income single parents, who will pass that legacy on to their children, and so on down the line. Married parents are more likely to be visiting their married children and their grandchildren in their comfortable suburban homes, and those married children will in turn be sending their offspring off to good colleges, superior jobs, and wedding parties. Instead of an opportunity-rich country for all, the Marriage Gap threatens us with a rigid caste society.' "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166752529581621742006-12-22T12:55:00.000+11:002006-12-22T12:55:00.000+11:00"Right-liberalism" is not the answer. Only traditi..."Right-liberalism" is not the answer. Only traditional conservatism has the solution to this kind of problem. A rediscovery of the common sense of the traditional sex and marital roles is all that is needed.Karna O'Deahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13664573386167940506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1166741547955287862006-12-22T09:52:00.000+11:002006-12-22T09:52:00.000+11:00A good piece as usual MarkWhat I find sad about Fe...A good piece as usual Mark<BR/>What I find sad about Feminist (besides their complete lack of any sense of humuor) is that they jump at idea of celebrating their "femaleness" but they Jump ON any attempt by men to celebrate their maleness.<BR/>The amusing thing at this sad womans site was the disclaimer on the comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com