tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post88828133133265229..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: What does a liberal think unites us?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-50049924293854411862010-09-29T13:45:40.645+10:002010-09-29T13:45:40.645+10:00Re: "And the Archbishop of Canterbury is at t...Re: "<i>And the Archbishop of Canterbury is at the very least *objectively* an arm of Mi5 and Mi6 since the permanent governments of all Western nations are hostile to the historic West and are busily engaged in replacing the historic peoples of the West.</i>"<br /><br />Huh?Kilroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8863415532515857562010-09-25T23:53:53.779+10:002010-09-25T23:53:53.779+10:00...Western Trads see the illiberalism of Russian O...<i>...Western Trads see the illiberalism of Russian Orthodoxy as "authentic" and fail to realise that it is merely an arm of Putin's thugocracy</i><br /><br />And the Archbishop of Canterbury is at the very least *objectively* an arm of Mi5 and Mi6 since the permanent governments of all Western nations are hostile to the historic West and are busily engaged in replacing the historic peoples of the West.icrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12120922830829048062010-09-25T22:01:33.229+10:002010-09-25T22:01:33.229+10:00I think we should be mindful of the fact that Trad...<i>I think we should be mindful of the fact that Traditionalism in is practical application will differ from culture (nation/state) to culture</i><br /><br />I'd like someone to explain to me what distinctive culture remains in thoroughly "post-modernized" ( or whatever the best term may be) places like the US and England.icrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18684770055105609952010-09-24T13:13:04.237+10:002010-09-24T13:13:04.237+10:00Interesting comments. I think we should be mindful...Interesting comments. I think we should be mindful of the fact that Traditionalism in is practical application will differ from culture (nation/state) to culture. Hence the impossibility of creating a right wing "international" to match the left's international cartels.Kilroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58739197262340561732010-09-24T10:57:27.838+10:002010-09-24T10:57:27.838+10:00Western Trads see the illiberalism of Russian Orth...<i>Western Trads see the illiberalism of Russian Orthodoxy as "authentic" and fail to realise that it is merely an arm of Putin's thugocracy. Both groups don't see the animating force behind the thing they subscribe to.</i><br /><br />One would hope that the Patriarchate of Moscow is no longer under the thumb of the KGB (or the FSB). If the patriarchate is merely pretending to aim for a spiritual renewal of Russia and ROCOR decides to split away again, then maybe I'd be concerned.papabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12180053825589485150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33645420123056487592010-09-24T09:22:33.025+10:002010-09-24T09:22:33.025+10:00Kilroy said,
"Western Trads see the illibera...Kilroy said,<br /><br />"Western Trads see the illiberalism of Russian Orthodoxy as "authentic" and fail to realise that it is merely an arm of Putin's thugocracy."<br /><br />Its interesting how far should conservatives be willing to go to put up with broadly conservative aims? I wouldn't have a bar of Putin, but I'm not Russian.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-50902143283426623322010-09-24T08:29:06.288+10:002010-09-24T08:29:06.288+10:00Anon wrote,
"Reassertion? When did liberal ...Anon wrote, <br /><br /><i>"Reassertion? When did liberal ideology subside into passivity?"</i><br /><br />You're very right. Not to sound paranoid, but it's like he's warning us that the gloves are coming off and the crack-down is going to begin.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23891939092714140512010-09-23T22:33:55.050+10:002010-09-23T22:33:55.050+10:00Anon, excellent point.Anon, excellent point.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-731167915857630662010-09-23T22:21:53.130+10:002010-09-23T22:21:53.130+10:00"All we seek is a reassertion of liberalism a..."All we seek is a reassertion of liberalism as the nation's common ideology."<br /><br />Reassertion? When did liberal ideology subside into passivity? As far as I can tell it has been ever more aggressively asserting itself since the 1960s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73239621910621695902010-09-23T16:59:10.448+10:002010-09-23T16:59:10.448+10:00Novaseeker,
Respectfully, I think many Trads in t...Novaseeker,<br /><br />Respectfully, I think many Trads in the West make the same mistake as social justice Christians: where social justice Christians fall for the covert Marxism of the liberalised Church, Western Trads see the illiberalism of Russian Orthodoxy as "authentic" and fail to realise that it is merely an arm of Putin's thugocracy. Both groups don't see the animating force behind the thing they subscribe to.Kilroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-48973197066614374302010-09-23T12:21:28.409+10:002010-09-23T12:21:28.409+10:00One more thing, liberty has only ever flourished u...One more thing, liberty has only ever flourished under Christian societies. And even when the churches did stupid stuff (like selling salvation) they were still 'free enough' to let the likes of Martin Luther and others reform them. <br /><br />Liberalism isn't like that. It's evil. It's communism where millions and millions were masacred. If you disagree you die. There is no reform.<br /><br />We've been brainwashed into thinking the opposite, that religion causes wars and that religion caused all these bad things. But that's just public education and the media talkin' it's not the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-61131642638544564412010-09-23T12:16:15.253+10:002010-09-23T12:16:15.253+10:00Excellent Excellent, Necessary and Illuminating Po...Excellent Excellent, Necessary and Illuminating Post.<br /><br />I have emails from an evil liberal friend that basically validate this idea.<br /><br />What does this mean for me though? It means for me as a pro-white, very traditional Christian...it means simply...<br /><br />Take your gloves off (or put your boxing gloves on) and it's time to get down and dirty.<br /><br />Pro-White Traditional Christians must take control of society and ignore everything and everybody and put our values on society because if we don't do it They Will. <br /><br />Novaseeker I'm pasting your comment in a word document so I can use it when talking to some evil friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57863758355752012162010-09-23T12:12:18.123+10:002010-09-23T12:12:18.123+10:00The opinions of this fellow all seem very French.
...<i>The opinions of this fellow all seem very French.</i><br /><br />Good point. His views do seem to resemble the policy of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9" rel="nofollow">laicity</a>:<br /><br /><i>Laïcité relies on the division between private life, where adherents believe religion belongs, and the public sphere, in which each individual, adherents believe, should appear as a simple citizen equal to all other citizens, devoid of ethnic, religious or other particularities.</i>Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84994379290479586572010-09-23T11:42:36.967+10:002010-09-23T11:42:36.967+10:00Yes this is unusually honest, the typical position...Yes this is unusually honest, the typical position is to just assert the superiority or inevitability of liberal values and criticise non-liberal ideas, especially Western non-liberal ideas. <br /><br />I'm really not sure what the Liberal thinks unites us though? If liberalism means a creed of individualism then we are united in our disunity. If liberalism means social communitarianism then a bit more meat on the bones of what is meant is needed. If "diversity" means racial diversity, different backgrounds same ideas, then it can be coherent, ie anyone can be a liberal. If diversity means a continual acceptance of non-western ideas as a means of attacking western establishments and orthodoxies, then its a practically disuniting rather than uniting concept. Unless that is we're all united in attacking the West. As stated by Mark on such a basis how can you expect non-Westerners to conform, or Westerners to enforce their views?<br /><br />The opinions of this fellow all seem very French. In the name of Republican Liberalism etc we will take your Burkha.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-69623678466521358462010-09-23T09:29:06.213+10:002010-09-23T09:29:06.213+10:00Novaseeker, I think you're right that somethin...Novaseeker, I think you're right that something of a tipping point has been reached and that the churches (or parts thereof) are becoming more critical of the liberal settlement that they are supposed to accept.<br /><br />Randian, yes, in one of his columns Theo Hobson does make it clear that he is including Islam in the religions that he wants to be kept strictly subordinate.<br /><br />So at least it's a consistent position that he holds. He's basically saying that liberalism is the ruling ideology and anything that doesn't fit into it the liberal state has the right to repress.<br /><br />That might make some people think that at least there's a defence against sharia here.<br /><br />But taking a stand against sharia via a defence of liberalism is a weak holding point. <br /><br />Theo himself constantly prattles on about inclusiveness and diversity, so his liberalism means that there is no way to stem the rising numbers of Muslims in Europe.<br /><br />It becomes impossible in principle to defend traditional national identities or to maintain a concept of Western countries as Christian rather than Muslim or to counter in a principled way the demands of big business for open borders.<br /><br />So Theo is setting up a very dangerous situation in which the current majority in the UK is crippled from defending its position, in which the Muslim population will continue to grow in numbers and in which it is left to an assertion of liberal supremacy to hold things together.<br /><br />Not smart.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43408971108389222722010-09-23T05:58:16.265+10:002010-09-23T05:58:16.265+10:00Don't forget the writer lives in the UK, where...Don't forget the writer lives in the UK, where Islam and Sharia law are making big inroads. It is Muslims who are the real target of this article even though they cannot be named because liberal multiculturalism doesn't permit it.<br /><br />I find the author's claim that "All we seek is a reassertion of liberalism as the nation's common ideology" amusing. When was "liberalism" ever the UK's common ideology, such that is can now be "reasserted"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20082367519594169172010-09-23T03:10:24.942+10:002010-09-23T03:10:24.942+10:00An interesting and frank declaration of war on tra...An interesting and frank declaration of war on traditional religion. A kind of secular fascism, really, when it comes to religion, with religion only permitted to exist to the extent it serves the interests of the dominant "ideology". <br /><br />Well, at least some people are recognizing this, and are beginning to do something in response to it. Metropolitan Hilarion of the Moscow Patriarchate was recently in London and gave his hosts a respectful tongue-lashing about caving into liberalism and its values before announcing the following bit of news:<br /><br />"We are not alone in our concern for the preservation of Christian values. Liberal tendencies in Protestant and Anglican communities present a challenge to those Christians and churches that have remained faithful to Gospel principles in doctrine, church order and morality. Certainly, we seek and find allies in opposing the destruction of the very essence of Christianity. One of the major tasks in our inter-Christian work today is to unite the efforts of Christians for building a system of solidarity on the basis of Gospel morality in Europe and throughout the world. Our positions are shared by the Roman Catholic Church, with which we have held numerous meetings and conferences. Together we are considering the possibility of establishing an Orthodox-Catholic alliance in Europe for defending the traditional values of Christianity. The primary aim of this alliance would be to restore a Christian soul to Europe. We should be engaged in common defence of Christian values against secularism and relativism."<br /><br />http://www.mospat.ru/en/2010/09/10/news25819/<br /><br />So, not everyone is just rolling over on this.knightblasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042581488365314771noreply@blogger.com