tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post869564666537400084..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Is there a more obvious solution for the Tamil refugees?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-66573980949894225202009-10-27T11:58:17.301+11:002009-10-27T11:58:17.301+11:00Hi Mark,
I was interested to read the post above ...Hi Mark,<br /><br />I was interested to read the post above by RD referring to the book 'The Great Divide' by Katharine Betts.<br /><br />While not holding the book, I did find an interesting paper by Keith Windschuttle that gives a pretty good flavour of Prof Betts theory on the rise and actions of the "New Class", especially as regards immigration and multiculturalism.<br /><br />By sheer coincidence, the following story has now emerged in the UK<br /><br />Labour 'deliberately let migrants in to make Britain more multicultural and so Tories could be accused of racism'<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222998/Labour-open-borders-storm-Demands-inquiry-claims-migrants-let-Tories-accused-racism.html##ixzz0V5qQubUV<br /><br />which seems completely in line with Prof Betts analysis.<br /><br />Perhaps then the big problem is not the fact that so many on the outside want to get here by any means - perhaps it is the efforts of those in power within to advance their own social agendas by the means of mass migration ?Myrddin Serenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08317977669677726888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30773712788191214122009-10-24T10:12:51.983+11:002009-10-24T10:12:51.983+11:00Australia -- you're not the only White western...<b>Australia -- you're not the only White western nation being forced to accommodate an invading army of foreign civilians.</b> Read <a href="http://canadianimmigrationreform.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-26365335576658575852009-10-24T06:20:23.657+11:002009-10-24T06:20:23.657+11:00Jesse, agreed that it's significant that Kerry...Jesse, agreed that it's significant that Kerry O'Brien should flinch at the large numbers. In the past, he's been a reliable indicator of left-liberal opinion. We'll see.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10871169111189792892009-10-24T06:17:44.190+11:002009-10-24T06:17:44.190+11:00Leon, thanks. So there are now at least two journa...Leon, thanks. So there are now at least two journalists who have recognised the Tamil Nadu option: Bolt and Sheridan. I hope others now feel confident to follow suit.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5588193495732815302009-10-22T21:56:15.223+11:002009-10-22T21:56:15.223+11:00Did anyone watch the 7:30 report tonight? Kerry O&...Did anyone watch the 7:30 report tonight? Kerry O'Brien was having a go at Rudd over the latest Ken Henry report saying that our pop will grow by 60% over 40 years. Sydney and Melbourne were predicted to grow to 7 mill etc. This was higher than government predictions. Kerry O'Brien seemed quite horrified and argued against it on environmental grounds. The “environment” will become code I think for unliveable cities. Rudd argued for it, "Good news Australia is growing". I think even the left is getting sick of the multicultural fun.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63746784373344293952009-10-22T09:08:13.148+11:002009-10-22T09:08:13.148+11:00Hi Mark.
Greg Sheridan today makes the same point...Hi Mark.<br /><br />Greg Sheridan today makes the same point you do:<br /><br />"Just being a Tamil does not make you a refugee. Moreover, if you are fleeing persecution as a Tamil in Sri Lanka, why wouldn't you go and live in Tamil Nadu, the giant Tamil state of India, just next door to Sri Lanka? India does not persecute people for being Tamils.<br /><br />The reason you would prefer Australia is because life is much better in Australia. But this is not then a question of fleeing persecution. "<br /><br />http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26242324-5013460,00.html<br /><br />You never know, maybe he reads your blog?Leon Bertrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904286692877156809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71900504141763071072009-10-21T11:18:27.786+11:002009-10-21T11:18:27.786+11:00Sure but this was a university not private propert...Sure but this was a university not private property.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-87771368501907856982009-10-21T11:05:16.316+11:002009-10-21T11:05:16.316+11:00"I was walking through the uni the other day ..."I was walking through the uni the other day and I saw the centre for Arab and Muslim studies. The sign on the building was in arabic above the english."<br /><br />In the 1970's all Greek owned shops in Melbourne catering for Greek's were ONLY in Greek.<br /><br />Savvas TzionisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89775925867900207192009-10-21T10:31:52.366+11:002009-10-21T10:31:52.366+11:00"so that I can read and understand more about..."so that I can read and understand more about why Muslims have difficulty integrating into Western cultures. Senior Liberal politicians have said that many of them are entirely antagonistic to our way of life."<br /><br />They've got their own culture I don't think they're interested in ours.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55980512975071658442009-10-21T09:39:44.543+11:002009-10-21T09:39:44.543+11:00I come from an officially bilingual country, and s...I come from an officially bilingual country, and so I am used to seeing everything in two languages, and there are some sections of Toronto whose signage is in neither of the official languages. <br />I think there is ample empirical evidence to suggest that many Muslims simply don't integrate. I took a cab last year, and got out and went to shake his hand and he backed away saying that he doesn't shake hands with women. There are lots of anecdotes. <br />I am trying to get my hands on an English translation of Sennels book : "Among Criminal Muslims - A Psychologist's Experience from Copenhagen", so that I can read and understand more about why Muslims have difficulty integrating into Western cultures. Senior Liberal politicians have said that many of them are entirely antagonistic to our way of life.<br /><br />Geert Wilders has been warning about the coming crisis for some time.<br /><br />More here:<br /><br /><a href="URL" rel="nofollow">http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/michael-savage-exclusive-interview-with-geert-wilders.html</a>FedUpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33398659040137805412009-10-21T00:00:15.462+11:002009-10-21T00:00:15.462+11:00"Stop immigration from Muslim countries altog..."Stop immigration from Muslim countries altogether until it is proven that they can be integrated"<br /><br />I'm not sure they can be integrated. I was walking through the uni the other day and I saw the centre for Arab and Muslim studies. The sign on the building was in arabic above the english. Am I overreacting or would anyone else have the nerve to have a foreign language as a first language on signposts in anothers country? (Apart from the French). <br /><br />These suckers when polled think in majority numbers that muslim terrorists had nothing to do with 9/11 and 7/7. That it was some conspiracy against them because they're hard done by muslims. What can you say to that?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-31860692982795426762009-10-20T19:46:20.635+11:002009-10-20T19:46:20.635+11:00Mark, great post. I don't buy into the argume...Mark, great post. I don't buy into the arguments put by unelected and supranational bodies that countries like Australia have any obligation whatsoever to accept refugees. Let them sort out their own problems.<br />In relation to immigrants from Muslim countries, recent research by Nicolai Sennels has turned up some interesting considerations for Australia.<br /><br /><a href="URL" rel="nofollow"> http://europenews.dk/en/node/21789</a> <br /><br />Among his recommendations:<br />Stop immigration from Muslim countries altogether until it is proven that they can be integrated and help Muslims into new lives in another Muslim country of their choice by using the money we would otherwise spend on supporting them here, where they are unhappy and don't fit in, and can't fit in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-32505834085644205132009-10-20T18:07:50.523+11:002009-10-20T18:07:50.523+11:00It’s clear that our elites are now writing cheques...It’s clear that our elites are now writing cheques that future generations are <a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/877598/refugees-spark-huge-jump-in-welfare-bill" rel="nofollow">going to be paying for</a>.<br /><br />The notion of Australia as a "nation" has been fatally wounded by our elites. We aren't a nation any longer - just a mere 'economy'. <br /><br />Rudd, in ramping up the program "to its highest levels since the gold rush" - in the midst of the global financial crisis and rising unemployment - has delivered the most brazen two-fingered salute to the "Australian working families" who put him in office in living memory. <br /><br />What's totally baffling is that he is enjoying a 70% approval rating. <br /><br />Our kids - whose wages and job opportunities are being <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26216436-5013871,00.html" rel="nofollow"> crushed by the immigrant tsunami</a> - are too brain washed by their teachers at this point by multicultural fairy tales and climate change scaremongering to grasp the magnitude of their betrayal. <br /><br />It is they who will suffer the most from the poor decisions that are being made now. Already first home buyers have to pay the highest prices in the western world to get onto the bottom rung of the property ladder and many now commute 50km or more to their jobs from glorified shanty towns outside our cities.<br /><br />Our state Labor politicians have the chutzpah tell us we all have to take 3 minute showers so they can squeeze another million people into our suburbs in the next 20 years to shore up their ethnic votes and fatten the wallets of their mates the property developers.<br /><br />Fast forward 10 or 15 years and I think the electorate is going to take a very different view of some of the decisions that are being made now by our elites. Of course it goes without saying that, by then it will all be too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-31485523343950267982009-10-20T13:23:23.948+11:002009-10-20T13:23:23.948+11:00Yes it was said that the success of a society is l...Yes it was said that the success of a society is largely determined by the intelligence of its people, however, with us the "smart" set is the loudest advocates of increased immigration. So what's up with that?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-69827187658905539192009-10-20T13:08:13.478+11:002009-10-20T13:08:13.478+11:00Pasquarelli is correct in that there is a gaping h...<i>Pasquarelli is correct in that there is a gaping hole in Australian politics for a party that doesn't represent the bleeding heart, inner-city, latte-sipping, tree-hugging vegans on the left or the Gerry "open borders are great for profits so let- her-rip" Harveys of this world.</i><br /><br />Katherine Betts' book <i>The Great Divide</i> is by far the most detailed examination of the huge gap between Australia's 'new class' pro-immigration elites and ordinary, native-born (white) Australians. As Betts shows, Australia's elites are not merely indifferent to the interests and wishes of ordinary Australians - they are actively working against them.RDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-67542571682733607532009-10-20T12:44:06.480+11:002009-10-20T12:44:06.480+11:00"Yet a few boatloads of illegals turn up and ..."Yet a few boatloads of illegals turn up and the nation goes into a frenzy.<br /><br />Please explain!"<br /><br />The reaction is over the top for the numbers. I think its explained by illegal immigration being a topic we're allowed to discuss. The background issues (overall numbers, assumptions, problems and silence) is what generates the heat.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-36210237102003819812009-10-20T12:37:09.859+11:002009-10-20T12:37:09.859+11:00Good Australian article (lets see if they publish ...Good Australian article (lets see if they publish my comment hehe). I can't tell you how good it is to have these issues out in the mainstream. The only problem is I really don't like Barnaby Joyce. I think he's a bloody idiot who generally just does the opposite of everyone else to get attention and lacks real guts or conviction. <br /><br />Is a resurgent One Nation the party to vote for? The idea does make me cringe a little but I want my issues pushed.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-80651172251024521572009-10-20T12:07:28.314+11:002009-10-20T12:07:28.314+11:00Pasquarelli is correct in that there is a gaping h...Pasquarelli is correct in that there is a gaping hole in Australian politics for a party that doesn't represent the bleeding heart, inner-city, latte-sipping, tree-hugging vegans on the left or the Gerry "open borders are great for profits so let- her-rip" Harveys of this world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-53505832405586971472009-10-20T06:37:49.107+11:002009-10-20T06:37:49.107+11:00John Pasquarelli in The Australian:
Civil rights ...John Pasquarelli in <i>The Australian</i>:<br /><br /><i>Civil rights apologists try to bottle up public concern about illegal arrivals, militant Islamism, ethnic gangs, drugs and the murderous danger zones that our CBDs have become, but from time to time the outrage erupts on talkback radio and in the letters to the editor columns. A caller from Bathurst, NSW, recently said the threat of Pacific Islander gangs in western Sydney made him pack up and leave, and he is not alone. A woman who was flying her Australian flag during the Cronulla riots had her house pelted with eggs. Police told her to take down the flag as it was inciting the Muslims. <br /><br />These are today's forgotten people, Australians of all generations who know their history and are embittered as they see their heritage, values, institutions and way of life devalued. Under Labor, the rapid-fire arrival of boatloads of illegals has, until recently, failed to generate the banner headlines of the past, no doubt heart-warming for those Greens, Laborites and Liberal marshmallows who favour the madness of some sort of open borders policy. Ex-Liberal MP Bruce Baird, now holding a Labor job, told the Ten Network's Meet the Press Labor's policy changes on dealing with people-smugglers had nothing whatsoever to do with the recent surge in arrivals.<br /><br />As Christmas Island readies to put up the no-vacancy sign, the hitherto silent Libs have broken out, led by Philip Ruddock and Kevin Andrews, and already the polls have spiked substantially in their favour, no doubt creating more grief for Malcolm Turnbull, who is handcuffed to the usual suspects in Wentworth and whose only comment to date has been a limp-wristed call for an independent inquiry. <br /><br />The chief objective of the illegals and their criminal co-conspirators, the people-smugglers, is to be allowed to come ashore on the mainland and that will surely happen soon. <br /><br />Still disconnected from the mainstream, there is hardly a mumble from the Liberals as our immigration rates accelerate. <br /><br />A new Australia is in the making, where our ethnic minorities will become majorities, aided by people running Malcolm Fraser's line that we need a population of 50million plus, no doubt to be fed by the spring of taxpayer-funded multiculturalism.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26232382-5013479,00.html" rel="nofollow">Full article</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89699618245828590632009-10-20T05:49:55.016+11:002009-10-20T05:49:55.016+11:00While forests are being cleared to cater to the vo...<i>While forests are being cleared to cater to the voluminous tomes being written about a few hundred ayslum seekers in Indonesia, thousands of permanent arrivals are marching in through the front door on a daily basis currently giving Australia a higher rate of population growth than all but the poorest developing countries. That is the real scandal in my opinion.</i><br /><br />Bizarre, isn't it?<br /><br />Last financial year alone the equivalent of the entire population of Iceland came here legally through the front door, and it didn't even make the news. Yet a few boatloads of illegals turn up and the nation goes into a frenzy.<br /><br />Please explain!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55657216882792505722009-10-20T03:25:04.121+11:002009-10-20T03:25:04.121+11:00Not all European societies are successful, and the...<i>Not all European societies are successful, and there is not and never has been anything "natural" about European success. After all, Europeans were not the most successful societies on Earth until the last several centuries. European success (and Australian success) results from exactly what Michael said: the choices they made. Right now a great many European societies are making bad choices (like massive immigration) that are undermining their success.</i><br /><br />The argument that Australia is a rich, successful and stable country because it was founded by Europeans has some merit. Other cultures and civilisations had ample opportunity to colonise Australia, but none of them were interested in this arid continent until the British settled here and developed it into one of the world's most prosperous societies.<br /><br />Of course, Europeans aren't the only ones capable of creating prosperous, successful societies. One only needs to look at Japan to see that East Asians are also capable of creating highly advanced societies.<br /><br />In truth, the success of a society is largely determined by the intelligence of its people, as Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen found in their book <i>IQ and the Wealth of Nations</i>.<br /><br />Incidentally, Sri Lanka's national average IQ is estimated by Lynn and Vanhanen to be a meagre 79.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-62925656917076118062009-10-20T03:00:36.092+11:002009-10-20T03:00:36.092+11:00Omg I was just watching the ABC where they said ho...<i>Omg I was just watching the ABC where they said housing prices were rising, "largely because of immigration rates which are the highest since the gold rush" (pause for thoughful concern). How about that.</i><br /><br />The link between record high immigration and rising house prices in Australia (now by far the most unaffordable in the Western world) has been obvious to everybody but politicians and the MSM for some time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73421804141766761952009-10-20T00:38:51.324+11:002009-10-20T00:38:51.324+11:00Here's an interesting post suggesting that the...Here's an interesting post suggesting that the influx has little to do with Australian domestic policies:<br /><br />http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/10/19/push-vs-pull-asylum-seeker-numbers-and-statistics/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72065486900670136552009-10-20T00:21:08.121+11:002009-10-20T00:21:08.121+11:00http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DI19Df07.h...http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DI19Df07.html<br /><br />Tamils have been returning to Inda as refugees for several years. There are already thousands of Tamil refugees in Tamil Nadu. The job market for them there is not so rosy. Although these particular people prefer a return home to Sri Lanka, this article lends credence to the economic argument for not wanting to return to Tamil Nadu. <br /><br /><br />http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-offers-100m-to-help-Sri-Lanka-refugees/articleshow/5137105.cms <br /><br />India is willing to spend $100m to resettle Tamils in Sri Lanka which seems to indicate the Indian officials are hoping they will not settle in India. I find this understandable as India has an uneasy and often volatile experience with multiculturalism to begin with.Lieselnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57872034574533119392009-10-19T19:40:46.016+11:002009-10-19T19:40:46.016+11:00Jesse_7 said: "Another example, its not the d...Jesse_7 said: "Another example, its not the done thing to talk to people when you're a pedestrian in the city. You just sort of go your way and pay attention to others as little as possible. If you were to, for instance, offer to let someone stand under your umbrella in the rain you'd be thought of as a weirdo *chuckles*."<br /><br />This is a good point, something which I have forgotten somehwat since leaving the big city. It's a pity, as only a few months ago I took my daughter to the beach, bumped into an Orthodox Jewish acquaintance, and then was joined by a Muslim woman (stranger) in full burqa and hijab who wanted to practice her English. I haven't altered my distaste for the hijab or changed my views on terrorism and the Middle East conflict, but more of such conversations would go far in helping all of us be more compassionate, nuanced, and better-informed... and thus less open to Leftie/liberal accusations when we oppose open-door immigration and refugee policies. And others might learn the sort of problems that are created (for the refugees and migrants as well as the rest of society) when those of a not-so-compatible culture are relocated in Australia.old hatnoreply@blogger.com