tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post8503823806199352220..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Do liberal states in the US really have lower divorce rates?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58915096726487178402018-10-26T13:25:35.059+11:002018-10-26T13:25:35.059+11:00Great post!Great post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-64356564383371263872017-11-30T01:47:36.118+11:002017-11-30T01:47:36.118+11:00I got the census data and did the math, which is e...I got the census data and did the math, which is easy. The lowest rates of divorces per marriage in 2009 were in Nevada, Iowa, Massachusetts, North Dakota, and New York; the highest in Mississippi, New Mexico, West Virginia, Oklahoma, and DC. If we want a single explanatory factor, I would speculate poverty is the most important one, not party. However, dividing divorces in 2009 by marriages in 2009 is apples and oranges - those divorces involve marriages made earlier than 2009 (mostly anyway). Also, marriages made in one state may be dissolved in another. So this statistic is silly from the get-go.Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784125532324013227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-41555891915109935052011-09-28T15:45:07.151+10:002011-09-28T15:45:07.151+10:00Thanks for the comments guys.Thanks for the comments guys.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30457126092431825312011-09-28T05:56:59.960+10:002011-09-28T05:56:59.960+10:00Is divorce necessarily the big issue by itself tho...<i>Is divorce necessarily the big issue by itself though? Does the option of divorce by itself inevitably lead to or create immoral behavior, or does the option of divorce within an increasingly immoral/amoral society simply aggravate the social harm?</i><br /><br />I think it's some of the former with a lot of the latter. Divorce was available in earlier traditional societies but it was pretty restricted (e.g. reasons such adultery, abandoment and the like) and mostly shamed. I think that divorce is a consequence and not so much of a cause. Divorce was caused by two major influences: feminism and free love movement (sexual liberation). One, feminism, attacked and placed the favour towards women instead of what is best for the nuclear family and the other, sexual liberation, mostly disrupted notions of marriage and standards of human sexuality. In sum the <i>enlarged</i> option of divorce will lead to immoral behaviour and this typically occurs in an immoral/amoral society. In other words the answers to your questions are interlinked.Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52336049859642709862011-09-28T00:42:05.658+10:002011-09-28T00:42:05.658+10:00""does the option of divorce within an i...""does the option of divorce within an increasingly immoral/amoral society simply aggravate the social harm?""<br /><br />I think it is more a case of current divorce laws [including no-fault laws] being weighted in favour of one sex so heavily.<br /><br />Most men will want children and want some say in how they grow up. <br /><br />To do this you usually need a wife to provide a stable platform for growing kids. This brings the risks of divorce.<br /><br />Teaching young men that it is perfectly acceptable to treat women differently based on their long term potential is a public service.<br /><br />A 35 y.o career woman with plenty of notches in the headboard is not the same prospect for a long term relationship as a younger woman with fewer sexual partners.<br /><br />Men need to not only be free to say this, but to say it loudly. Women have certain expectations of men in society and get very loud when they are not met. If men even did a smidge of the same this country would be a very different place.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65648055904004143462011-09-27T23:53:53.790+10:002011-09-27T23:53:53.790+10:00Is divorce necessarily the big issue by itself tho...Is divorce necessarily the big issue by itself though? Does the option of divorce by itself inevitably lead to or create immoral behavior, or does the option of divorce within an increasingly immoral/amoral society simply aggravate the social harm?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86268848691452551682011-09-27T18:22:46.801+10:002011-09-27T18:22:46.801+10:00"We need a positive approach of working to ch..."We need a positive approach of working to change the culture to lower the general rate of divorce whilst putting ourselves in as strong a position as we can in our own lives to marry well."<br /><br />How about slowly working towards a ban? The Philippines ought not be the only country in the world to ban divorce...Jonathan Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958622460101172299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28649059749386705682011-09-26T22:50:54.602+10:002011-09-26T22:50:54.602+10:00Good points Elizabeth and of course excellent arti...Good points Elizabeth and of course excellent article Mark.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73029691355202395902011-09-26T21:28:43.357+10:002011-09-26T21:28:43.357+10:00Do we know how the results change when one makes t...<i>Do we know how the results change when one makes the proper comparison, normalizing by number of married couples?</i><br /><br />Bonald, that's a good question, but I wasn't able to find a clear answer in the report.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82350553813785589912011-09-26T21:03:13.440+10:002011-09-26T21:03:13.440+10:00Anon (1.29),
On the one hand I agree that the gen...Anon (1.29),<br /><br />On the one hand I agree that the general rate of divorce is high enough now to damage confidence in the institution of marriage. <br /><br />However, men are not equally at risk. For some the odds of divorce are much lower.<br /><br />We need a positive approach of working to change the culture to lower the general rate of divorce whilst putting ourselves in as strong a position as we can in our own lives to marry well.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57715423290457379162011-09-26T14:19:25.001+10:002011-09-26T14:19:25.001+10:00Thanks for this, was really helpfulThanks for this, was really helpfulPatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63131229065889789502011-09-26T13:29:16.595+10:002011-09-26T13:29:16.595+10:00Divorce is certain in all western countries. The m...Divorce is certain in all western countries. The more one sees of modern society the more one desires to emulate the ancient hermits who retreated into the deserts where they could be free of the nauseating depravity that pervaded late Roman society. The older I get, the happier I am that I never married. Everyone has enemies, but at least those who aren't married are spared the hideousness of having their worst enemy living under their very own roof with them. (this isn't to say that every wife is her husband's worst enemy, but when the odds are against a man to the extent that they are in modern western societies, it's quite foolish to take such a chance. It would be rather like trying to swim a crocodile infested river. You just might make it, but it's not likely to say the least.) The wise man learns from the experiences of others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15977074535708242952011-09-26T09:13:45.417+10:002011-09-26T09:13:45.417+10:00Good catch. There are a couple of strong predicto...Good catch. There are a couple of strong predictors of divorce which are almost always left out of this kind of analysis. As Elizabeth mentioned <a href="http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/26/why-a-womans-age-at-time-of-marriage-matters-and-what-this-tells-us-about-the-apex-fallacy/" rel="nofollow">the age of the wife</a> is a very strong predictor of divorce rates. Also, IQ and race. <br /><br />The sad thing is that divorce rates are abysmal any way you slice them. <br /><br />By the way, do you have the source for the stats on divorce by political affiliation?Dalrockhttp://dalrock.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55675522986208568042011-09-26T08:47:58.099+10:002011-09-26T08:47:58.099+10:00As Disraeli used to say:
"There are three ki...As Disraeli used to say:<br /><br />"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and..."Julian Felsenburghhttp://thenamelessman.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46321521242080683262011-09-25T21:52:13.162+10:002011-09-25T21:52:13.162+10:00plI remember reading that a wife from a billionair...pl<i>I remember reading that a wife from a billionaire confiscated $100 million in assets in a divorce settlement.</i><br /><br />Apologies this is incorrect. She collected much higher.Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55336490348057394542011-09-25T21:24:03.348+10:002011-09-25T21:24:03.348+10:00I believed that people in the northeast were... mo...<i>I believed that people in the northeast were... more likely to have higher incomes and higher education and that this explained the difference.</i><br /><br />Higher income people, if they marry at all, only have slightly less divorce rates due to the liberalized, feminist influenced laws. I remember reading that a wife from a billionaire confiscated $100 million in assets in a divorce settlement. And that's just one scary statistic. The bigger one has, the bigger one loses. If the rich try to divorce they try to aliveate these burdens and unless this happens they stay married. Remember also that most divorces are initiated by women (60 to 80% of the time).<br /><br />When it comes to education those with the highest education tend to divorce the most. Then comes those with the lowest education. Then finally comes those whom have moderate education.<br /><br />There's also the recent talk of teenage pregnancies and how supposedly this is common in more conservative areas. They always leave out the higher number of minorities compared to Europeans. In reality most traditional conservative women have their first pregnancy between 18 and 30 (early twenties to mid twenties). Liberals also created this myth to satisfy and extended their obsession with Palin (whom I find embarassing, narcissistic and little more than a liberal lite).Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33998999360808963852011-09-25T21:07:36.239+10:002011-09-25T21:07:36.239+10:00What divorce statistics hide:
- Numbers of single...What divorce statistics hide:<br /><br />- Numbers of single and never married people have risen.<br /><br />- Lower marriage rates equals lower divorce rates.<br /><br />- If older women in statistics have less divorce rates than their younger counterparts it's because the market is dried up and they have less options than they would have had in their younger years. There's also the possibility of spinsterhood and ending up alone after divorcing while old.Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-67983295057392234132011-09-25T14:56:33.633+10:002011-09-25T14:56:33.633+10:00A "fully autonomous" person is, by defin...A "fully autonomous" person is, by definition, not married.<br /><br />This is a an important fact you've dug up, Mark. Thanks. Do we know how the results change when one makes the proper comparison, normalizing by number of married couples?Bonaldhttp://bonald.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-74085855599734269342011-09-25T12:50:10.927+10:002011-09-25T12:50:10.927+10:00Moral of this story: distrust the reporting of sta...Moral of this story: distrust the reporting of statistics in the mainstream media.<br /><br /><br />Make that: distrust the mainstream media, full stop. (Not just on statistics).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-90862376369686104812011-09-25T10:25:20.968+10:002011-09-25T10:25:20.968+10:00Linked to this. Thanks for pointing this out, as I...Linked to this. Thanks for pointing this out, as I've always been puzzled by this statistic.Altehttp://www.traditionalchristianity.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com