tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post8210635612207555877..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Just who attacked the Indian student?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57909446231652558602009-06-22T22:52:30.056+10:002009-06-22T22:52:30.056+10:00WA has gone preemptive in search of racist attacks...WA has gone <a href="http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=149349" rel="nofollow">preemptive</a> in search of racist attacks. Despite "There have been no recent reported cases in WA similar to the bashings in Victoria" the Ethnic Communities Council of WA has "launched a website to give foreign students a way to anonymously report race-based assaults". Because they <i>know</i> that whites are racist bashers. It's a given...Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75246797498415170532009-06-15T20:57:28.065+10:002009-06-15T20:57:28.065+10:00"THE Sunshine pedestrian subway is 130m of sp..."<a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25635624-2862,00.html" rel="nofollow">THE</a> Sunshine pedestrian subway is 130m of spit-filled, bloody trouble...<br /><br />Much of the crime is ethnic-based but the perception in India of white Australians taking advantage of vulnerable Indians is wide of the mark."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-36997056707526739212009-06-11T13:51:05.106+10:002009-06-11T13:51:05.106+10:00Kevin Rudd turns to comedy:
"With each new wa...<a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/5640381" rel="nofollow">Kevin Rudd</a> turns to comedy:<br />"With each new wave of immigrants to this country there's been debates and concerns and they've all faded and they've have all been resolved," he said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-13798423915128441352009-06-10T23:04:38.645+10:002009-06-10T23:04:38.645+10:00Harris Park violence 'going on for years'
...<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/national/harris-park-violence-going-on-for-years-20090610-c2z0.html" rel="nofollow">Harris Park violence 'going on for years'</a><br /><br />"Street thugs in Harris Park, in Sydney's west, were violently attacking elderly white women for a number of years before shifting their focus to Indians, says a NSW politician who raised the problem of violence in the suburb in State Parliament two years ago.<br /><br />Gordon Moyes, a member of the NSW upper house, said he understood Indian students' rage at being "picked on", but believed the problem of street crime in Harris Park had gone unaddressed for years...<br /><br />"I found that over a period of time many elderly Anglo-Saxon women were attacked and robbed and had their purses snatched and phones stolen," he said.<br /><br />He said the attacks were mainly carried out by <b>young Middle-Eastern men</b>."Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-51503467526367511192009-06-09T20:21:17.729+10:002009-06-09T20:21:17.729+10:00Mark, yes I did indeed write that "foreign me...Mark, yes I did indeed write that "foreign media has singled out Anglo-Australians to a degree which is perhaps unfair". I could also write that Oz Conservative has singled out non-Anglo-Australians to a degree which is perhaps unfair.<br /><br />Btw is the main thrust of this thread about white people, or Anglos? Because a significant number of the perpetrators I listed would seem to be white, if not specifically Anglo.<br /><br />Anonymous @ 3:39, oooh you're clever aren't you? Using my own words to argue with me like that. Actually I don't disagree with you at all, your statement is entirely reasonable. Which is why I wonder why everyone on this thread is attacking Nazeem Hussain for saying exactly the same thing?Eurasian Sensationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03486297795353354329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-83975549637530597512009-06-08T18:45:31.991+10:002009-06-08T18:45:31.991+10:00Even David Marr admits "One observation: not ...Even <a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/the-unutterable-rword-20090605-byi5.html?page=-1" rel="nofollow">David Marr</a> admits "One observation: not all the attackers are white. Race is always a shifting, contested and complicated business."<br /><br />He repeated this view on ABC radio this morning that other ethnicities are involved in attacking Indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84606383030263424372009-06-07T10:35:37.814+10:002009-06-07T10:35:37.814+10:00Eurasian sensation,
I read your own post and it ...Eurasian sensation, <br /><br />I read your own post and it confirms my point: that most of the attacks on Indian students in Melbourne have been committed by non-Anglos. <br /><br />You list 11 perpetrators. Of these 8 are definitely non-Anglo. The remaining 3 may or may not be Anglo. One is listed as caucasion. One has a surname which could be Anglo. One looked like he could be Anglo from the CCTV camera.<br /><br />These figures don't include the Africans who attacked the Indian taxi drivers.<br /><br />You yourself write that "foreign media has singled out Anglo-Australians to a degree which is perhaps unfair".Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33889781869787246442009-06-07T03:39:33.840+10:002009-06-07T03:39:33.840+10:00It's clear, considering the nature and sheer n...It's clear, considering the nature and sheer number of attacks on Anglo-Australians by non-Anglos, that at least SOME of them are racially motivated if not all.<br /><br />Why then is it so surprising that some of us, who fits the physical description of the victims in these cases, should feel scared at the prospect of being a potential victim. As a white person myself, I totally understand that sentiment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59699005306914442922009-06-07T01:54:28.695+10:002009-06-07T01:54:28.695+10:00There's so much bullsh*t going on in this post...There's so much bullsh*t going on in this post and thread. <br /><br />1) For those who are so obsessed with trying to implicated non-white people in these attacks, I've broken it down for you here: http://eurasian-sensation.blogspot.com/2009/06/curry-bashing-what-ethnicity-are.html<br /><br />It's every bit of info I could find on the ethnicity of recent attackers of Indians, it it demonstrates no such pattern.<br /><br />2) Your critique of Nazeem Hussain's article is also flawed. It's clear, considering the nature and sheer number of attacks on Indians, that at least SOME of them are racially motivated if not all. <br />Why then is it so surprising that Hussain, who fits the physical description of the victims in these cases, should feel scared at the prospect of being a potential victim. As a (lighter shade of) brown person myself, I totally understand that sentiment.Eurasian Sensationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03486297795353354329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-81172029955859295412009-06-05T23:33:38.153+10:002009-06-05T23:33:38.153+10:00Greg Sheridan:
"There's a lot we could do...<a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25583278-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">Greg Sheridan</a>:<br />"There's a lot we could do much better. How about a home visits scheme, where ordinary Australians invite foreign students for a weekend meal? After all, foreign students are not only dollars and cents, they're also human beings."<br />Good luck with that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-17728505337071501422009-06-04T21:43:23.163+10:002009-06-04T21:43:23.163+10:00'One-punch' homicides every month
"A...<a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25586854-421,00.html" rel="nofollow">'One-punch' homicides every month</a><br /><br />"AT least once a month in Victoria someone dies in a "one-punch homicide" – a drunken confrontation outside a pub where the victim hits his head on the ground and dies, the state's police chief says...<br /><br />He said the recent attacks on Indian students was symptomatic of growing assaults on soft targets."Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-16553465896734325192009-06-03T17:15:18.409+10:002009-06-03T17:15:18.409+10:00Andrew Bolt has a new column addressing this "...Andrew Bolt has a new column addressing this "Australia is racist" media beat-up. Read it <a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25578055-5000117,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Bolt makes some very important points:<br /><br />"IF we weren't so scared of seeming racist, we wouldn't now seem so, er, racist that even India is giving us lectures.<br /><br />Amazing, that. India, which perfected the caste system and is plagued by Hindu-Muslim bloodfests, is telling us we're too prejudiced? <br /><br />But we have only our own stupidity and grovelling self-hatred to blame. <br /><br />After all, which nation has spent so much apologetic cash and sweat to persuade the world we are vomiting with racism, and which has been, on the other hand, too militantly anti-racist to point out who is actually bashing many of these Indian students?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6515970995227727672009-06-03T00:13:24.159+10:002009-06-03T00:13:24.159+10:00Quote from Indian protestor in ABC video: "We like...<I>Quote from Indian protestor in ABC video: "We like Australia, but Australians don't like us... If you want respect, give respect. If you won't give respect then you'll talk to our fists". <br /><br />If an Anglo said that he'd be publicly harangued or charged with hate speech.</I>Or write for News LtdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-48763849801237154512009-06-02T23:47:53.585+10:002009-06-02T23:47:53.585+10:00Quote from Indian protestor in ABC video: "We like...Quote from Indian protestor in <A HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/06/01/2586459.htm" REL="nofollow">ABC video</A>: "We like Australia, but Australians don't like us... If you want respect, give respect. If you won't give respect then you'll talk to our fists". <br /><br />If an Anglo said that he'd be publicly harangued or charged with hate speech.Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35864611994528572712009-06-02T23:06:51.132+10:002009-06-02T23:06:51.132+10:00For example, is it illegitimate for the Palestinia...<I>For example, is it illegitimate for the Palestinians to seek a homeland for their particular ethnic group? After all, an ethno-Palestinian state would hardly be universalist and internationalist, now would it? What about the other sanctioned "oppressed minorities" seeking national self-determination such as the Tibetans or Tamils? In seeking a nation of their own based on ethnicity, are they also bordering on "fascist"?</I>Edward, this gibberish is all amazingly stupid, and probably best discussed on another forum. In short, no, a Palestinian state wouldn't be universalist.<br />Secondly, there are reasons for supporting oppressed minorities other than ethnocentrism. If ethnicity is the sole lens through which you view the world, get out more.<br /><br />Finally, when I speak of fascism, I mean something fairly specific, for which Mussolini and Hitler alone were the models. <br /><br />As for Iraq, it's a long story, and you can read about it elsewhere. All the same, there are lots of reasons to oppose US invasions.THRhttp://lacomplaintedupartisan.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29875605597376195282009-06-02T21:58:59.995+10:002009-06-02T21:58:59.995+10:00Andrew Bolt:
Not all victims are equalAndrew Bolt...<A HREF="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/not_all_victims_are_equal/" REL="nofollow">Andrew Bolt</A>:<br /><br /><B>Not all victims are equal</B>Andrew Bolt<br />Tuesday, June 02, 2009 at 10:42am <br /><br />You mean that there’s some ways of being bashed that aren’t hateful? <br /><br /><I>HATE crime could soon be an offence in Victoria as the State Government moves to crack down on violent attacks against Indian students, homosexuals and other targeted groups.</I>So bashing an Indian student will be a hate crime, but bashing an English one not, even though both lose their teeth. <br /><br />UPDATE <br /><br />Attorney General Rob Hulls says he’s just following the example of NSW. So how have the laws there worked in reducing “hate crime”? Let’s check today’s papers: <br /><br /><I>THE teenage victim of an alleged schoolyard bullying campaign has revealed his torment amid a culture of violence at a public high school in Sydney’s west… He said attacks between rival ethnic groups occurred at the school almost weekly, with Lebanese youths battling Asian groups both inside and outside the grounds.</I>Hmm. Would passing yet more laws against this help? <br /><br />(Thanks to reader Kevin.) <br /><br />UPDATE 2 <br /><br />If Luke Mitchell had been Asian, and his attackers not, this crime would be more deserving of punishment, according to Hulls: <br /><br /><I>THREE suspects in the brutal stabbing murder of a good Samaritan in Melbourne early yesterday have fled overseas, Victoria Police have confirmed.<br /><br />Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Simon Overland today said there were three suspects in the murder of 29-year-old, Luke Mitchell, in Brunswick and all three had fled to Thailand.</I>Or put it the other way around: Luke Mitchell’s murderers deserve less punishment because the man they killed was a white heterosexual. <br /><br />UPDATE 3 <br /><br />Is <A HREF="http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2009/06/01/84121_gold-coast-news.html" REL="nofollow">Jack Donnelly</A> the kind of (alleged) victim Hulls intends his laws to help?Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-68308887854735860062009-06-02T20:22:04.894+10:002009-06-02T20:22:04.894+10:00"Mr Rudd told Parliament yesterday the attacks on ..."Mr Rudd told Parliament yesterday the attacks on Indians in Melbourne were part of wider urban violence." (<A HREF="http://www.theage.com.au/national/hulls-plans-hate-crime-crackdown-20090601-bt06.html?page=-1" REL="nofollow">the Age</A>)<br /><br />So this wider urban violence goes unacknowledged by politicians until Indians kick up a stink. Priorities noted, Mr Rudd.Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25957917919503479932009-06-02T15:38:03.423+10:002009-06-02T15:38:03.423+10:00The scope of Aussie bashing has been widened by Li...The scope of Aussie bashing has been widened by <A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/cut-the-campus-cruelty-put-yourself-in-the-overseas-students-shoes-20090529-bq6h.html?page=-1" REL="nofollow">Lisa Pryor</A> to include segregation at universities:<br /><br />"It's one thing for dumb thugs to be prejudiced against foreign students but what is just as disturbing is the prejudice shown to these students by local uni students who should know better... and we're the ones ignoring them, shepherding them into ghettos... Meneses has had Saudis asking why there is so little integration with locals."<br /><br />So when the facts point to a rejection of diversity, the natural response is not to reconsider the wisdom of diversity, but to bleat louder at the people. Go figure...Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72330767507345883722009-06-02T15:14:42.700+10:002009-06-02T15:14:42.700+10:00They're burning pictures of Rudd in India.They're <A HREF="http://www.news.com.au/gallery/0,23607,5055864-5007150-5,00.html" REL="nofollow">burning pictures</A> of Rudd in India.Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55559935651757897492009-06-02T04:49:55.924+10:002009-06-02T04:49:55.924+10:00Mark, you may find this article of relevance.Mark, you may find <A HREF="http://australianconservative.com/main-site/2009/05/indian-students-are-the-latest-victims-of-liberal-social-policies-and-policing/" REL="nofollow">this article</A> of relevance.Citizen Sanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00386005570849066963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7619234172052028462009-06-02T02:42:40.448+10:002009-06-02T02:42:40.448+10:00Mark, have you by any chance perused THR's blog? I...Mark, have you by any chance perused THR's blog? It is really quite eye opening.<br /><br />Consider this comment he made in a post about Zionism:<br /><br />"Obviously, we cannot ever accept Zionism as a legitimate solution if we are universalist and internationalist. That goes without saying."<br /><br />In other words, it is illegitimate for Israel to exist as a Jewish state, a homeland for a particular ethnocultural group. <br /><br />I wonder if these "universalist and internationalist" principles extend to other nations and groups. For example, is it illegitimate for the Palestinians to seek a homeland for their particular ethnic group? After all, an ethno-Palestinian state would hardly be universalist and internationalist, now would it? What about the other sanctioned "oppressed minorities" seeking national self-determination such as the Tibetans or Tamils? In seeking a nation of their own based on ethnicity, are they also bordering on "fascist"?<br /><br />Interestingly, THR seems to praise Iraqi nationalistic sentiment in this <A HREF="http://lacomplaintedupartisan.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-myths-about-iraq-are-shattered.html" REL="nofollow">particular entry</A>. I would have thought condoning Iraqi nationalists in their struggle against foreigners, or "the other", would have meant supporting a very much non-universalist and non-internationalist cause.Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-88255159904425747202009-06-01T23:31:28.954+10:002009-06-01T23:31:28.954+10:00Mark Richardson wrote: "Thr, I don't know Darrin H...Mark Richardson wrote: "Thr, I don't know Darrin Hodges but I've read a few items he's posted on the internet. There was nothing objectionable in what he wrote. He is welcome to comment here."<br /><br />Well, apparently, Dazza and his little gang of BNP copycats are planning a Nazi-style takeover of Australia as we speak! Just ask THR.<br /><br />I find it odd that just as THR conjured up the boogey man of "teh far right" in Australia, Dazza came along. I mean, really THR, are we meant to believe that the existence of Dazza's "Australian Protectionist Party", a party which doesn't even have enough members to be registered, is somehow evidence that white Australian racism is endemic?<br /><br />If you really want an example of an actual, operating "racist" party in Australia, I suggest you look into the Chinese-run Unity Party. Some of its leaders have some pretty interesting things to say.Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-26138749448155312102009-06-01T23:13:55.060+10:002009-06-01T23:13:55.060+10:00"Edward, there are many people in Melbourne, at le..."Edward, there are many people in Melbourne, at least, of German, Polish, or Italian descent. I'm not sure what your point is."<br /><br />You should really pay more attention to demographic trends. These groups are all in decline, both in proportional and absolute terms. The shift away from traditional European sources of immigration has meant that the first generation populations are not being replenished. For example, the 2006 Census found that the number of Italian-born residents — the main non-British Isles European group in Australia — declined by nine percent in five years, dropping below 200,000 for the first time in decades. <br /><br />The Germans, another long-standing non-British Isles European group, are also in decline, with the German-born population falling even faster than the Italians. This absolute decline in the number of German-born residents is reflected in the number of German speakers in Australia, which declined a massive 24% in the years between the 2001 and 2006 Census.<br /><br />Of course, the European population as a whole in Australia, both Europe-born and of European descent, is in decline, but the long-standing non-British minority groups are declining the fastest. Which is odd, given that state-sanctioned multiculturalism originally came about ostensibly to serve the same groups which are now being demographically plowed under by the current wave of non-European arrivals.<br /><br /><br />"Darwin didn't have in mind pasty skin and toad-in-the-hole when he came up with his theories."<br /><br />Ethnocentricism is a group survival mechanism. An ethnic group without a strong sense of solidarity is one without a future as a distinct and coherent group. Surely even you can understand that.<br /><br />As for the derogatory comments about "pasty skin" and "toad in a hole", why exactly is it that you feel the need to reduce thousands of years of British and Western ethnic and cultural heritage down to its most crude and banal level? What if I reduced thousands of years of Chinese civilisation down to jaundiced skin and fried rice? Would that be a fair representation of the Chinese and their culture?<br /><br />"If you think the world will be better off for you sticking to a particular ethnic identity, then good luck to you. And good luck in trying to forge a harmonious society."<br /><br />I was simply observing that in order to survive as a coherent and distinct group, an ethnic group needs to maintain a strong sense of identity and solidarity (I mean, do you not get this? Think about it - if nobody stuck to a particular ethnic identity, we wouldn't have distinct ethnic groups, now would we?).<br /><br />As for forging a harmonious society, perhaps you multiculturalists would like to explain how cramming together dissimilar people from all over the world is a recipe for harmony, rather than division, confusion, tribalism and conflict.<br /><br />It is no coincidence that the world's most homogeneous societies also happen to be the most peaceful, harmonious and stable ones.<br /><br />Just take the example of Australia. Can anybody honestly argue that we are a more harmonious, cohesive nation now compared to say 40 years ago when the country was far more homogeneous?<br /><br />"You think African refugees did it. I'm sceptical, firstly, because Vic police have their own history of lying about minority groups, and secondly, the evidence isn't particularly clear."<br /><br />Indeed, they have a history of lying to <A HREF="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24682534-5000117,00.html" REL="nofollow">cover up</A> the full extent of African crime.<br /><br />I also note that you claim that the evidence isn't clear, but that didn't stop you from blaming Anglos for these attacks. The kind of violent, train-based gang attacks which are disportionately committed by non-Anglos.Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27375713187634447012009-06-01T23:02:07.522+10:002009-06-01T23:02:07.522+10:00Seems these guys think Andrew Symonds looks like a...Seems <A HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200712/r213411_823280.jpg" REL="nofollow">these guys</A> think Andrew Symonds looks like a monkey.Pat Hannaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03671062308221921404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-41503000104013729542009-06-01T21:59:30.371+10:002009-06-01T21:59:30.371+10:00It seems this guy bought the argument that Aussies...It seems <A HREF="http://www.daylife.com/photo/0amx2TF4fRahy?q=indian+melbourne" REL="nofollow">this guy</A> bought the argument that Aussies are the racist ones. And maybe <A HREF="http://www.daylife.com/photo/09k8fjtaC8gav?q=indian+melbourne" REL="nofollow">this guy</A> too.Michellenoreply@blogger.com