tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post8202638635700380124..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Shelley's detestable distinctionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12932184414656435042019-01-01T13:47:47.443+11:002019-01-01T13:47:47.443+11:00Great question. I'm working on a partial respo...Great question. I'm working on a partial response to that right now - hope to have another post up by this evening. Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24984582165087662862019-01-01T13:42:00.181+11:002019-01-01T13:42:00.181+11:00I don't believe it. He is essentially a 200 ye...I don't believe it. He is essentially a 200 year old version of the modern "woke" male feminist. The same patterns repeat over and over. Lucas Rosasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-9210863954339558772019-01-01T13:39:30.934+11:002019-01-01T13:39:30.934+11:00Mark I'd be interested in your take on how the...Mark I'd be interested in your take on how the liberal concept of autonomy translates into the left liberal concept of equality as the highest good.<br /><br />Is it simply that the 19th century left liberals who founded the Socialist movement saw individual autonomy as impossible without equality or is there something deeper going on?Lucas Rosasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37004802171177570892019-01-01T09:00:18.899+11:002019-01-01T09:00:18.899+11:00I listened to all of it as well. Unless there'...I listened to all of it as well. Unless there's something we don't know about this case, it's disturbing. He keeps on being accused of being aggressive, but there's nothing in the sound recordings to suggest this. Maybe there's some body language happening, I don't know, but my concern is this. If you listen to the original lecture on microaggressions, a masculine mind will find it revolting, as it's all about "we have to tip toe around everyone's feelings in everything we say" rather than "let's be resilient enough to have robust debate about things". The student is clearly someone who prefers the older style "get at the truth via healthy debate". Does this now qualify as "aggression"? The male academics on the panel sound so effeminate in the way they modulate their voices - maybe this kind of thing is sinking into the culture.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-68310508372583557302019-01-01T08:14:10.266+11:002019-01-01T08:14:10.266+11:00I listened to the student's perfectly sensible...I listened to the student's perfectly sensible and articulate questions and to the defensive non-answers of the panel that urgently wanted to move on. I listened to enough of the suspension hearing to make me actually feel sick. <br /><br />You have to hear this.<br /><br />The obviously bright young student suffered a torturing silence, lead by one almost whispering spokesman at a hearing that he obviously wasn't expected to attend. All but three of the sixteen executioners sat silent as the student tries to discover why he's being expelled. It's like pulling teeth. <br /><br />Finally, one frustrated inquisitor has had enough. Bart Nathan decides to badger the accused by asking the same unanswerable question 6 or 7 times. The bewildered student struggles to understand a question that he can't answer, as if he's being forced to confess to crime that no one has accused him of, and under the penalty of expulsion from school. <br /><br />It is truly astounding. <br /><br />This young student should get a Nobel peace prize for not going postal on that room full of repugnant academic a**holes. A more arrogant, condescending, mean-spirited and dishonest group of entitled demi-gods could not be better assembled outside of the U.S. Supreme Court. <br /><br />Those academics wield the unconstrained power of gods and executioners. <br /><br />It really is a view into a true heart of darkness. <br />Buck Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8642389257912582922018-12-31T23:47:49.241+11:002018-12-31T23:47:49.241+11:00James, here's a typical Shelley move:
Shelley...James, here's a typical Shelley move:<br /><br />Shelley: dear Lady friend, I am way above having a physical interest in you, I love you for your beautiful mind, dear spirit. When can you come and live in my household? Oh, my wife sends her greetings.<br /><br />Shelley: dear Lady friend, our minds meet forever in eternity. My thoughts are forever pure, unmired in worldly passions. Why have you not yet given up your employment to come and live with me? Oh, my wife says hello.<br /><br />(Lady friend, gives up job, possessions, moves into Shelley household, becomes Shelley's mistress. Shelley drops her six months later. She lives the rest of her life in penury).<br /><br />Shelley: The ridiculous devil woman is finally gone. Such a mentally inferior creature.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6907999485545490492018-12-31T15:06:25.429+11:002018-12-31T15:06:25.429+11:00So he's just like every other male leftist rad...So he's just like every other male leftist radical today using rhetoric to try and get into the woke child's panties.<br /><br />If he were around today he'd probably be sending dick pics like Stephen Jolly.JAMESnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-31331634146004530262018-12-31T15:03:27.323+11:002018-12-31T15:03:27.323+11:00The modern left. On the cutting edge of 200 year o...The modern left. On the cutting edge of 200 year old ideas.JAMESnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23417004165998837322018-12-31T10:32:59.372+11:002018-12-31T10:32:59.372+11:00I had the same thought. He prefigures the modern l...I had the same thought. He prefigures the modern left in a number of ways. Radical for 1820, but part of the "woke left" today.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30287970621879420652018-12-30T18:23:39.152+11:002018-12-30T18:23:39.152+11:00Shelley as you describe him could almost exist tod...Shelley as you describe him could almost exist today. His views are entirely fitting with the modern orthodoxy.JAMESnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58747728919301897042018-12-29T13:30:38.721+11:002018-12-29T13:30:38.721+11:00Yes, he was extraordinarily high-minded in his acc...Yes, he was extraordinarily high-minded in his account of his own motivations (he considered himself ethereal and disinterested and a paragon of virtue). Yet he left a trail of devastation, particularly in regards to women. Two female suicides, including his first wife; he also reacted to his second wife's depression at losing two children by having a series of affairs. Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35925413117739566942018-12-29T12:40:09.094+11:002018-12-29T12:40:09.094+11:00Shelley's beliefs in sexual freedom and equali...Shelley's beliefs in sexual freedom and equality were of course combined with a tendency to treat women very badly indeed. <br /><br />Which seems to be the way it always goes. Of course women are still very resistant to the idea that sexual freedom is actually in practice a bad thing for women.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.com