tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post809549079523303777..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: So what did Georgiou the compassionate moderate think about Anglos?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71553279895956369612011-03-01T16:10:49.528+11:002011-03-01T16:10:49.528+11:00"Elizabeth,
So what policy should we adopt if..."Elizabeth,<br />So what policy should we adopt if not assimilation?"<br /><br />Opposition to illegal immigration and a few key restrictions on legal immigration in combination with the host's culture which the immigrants either must be neutral towards to or assimilate to a degree.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79856394022889723962011-03-01T08:29:08.682+11:002011-03-01T08:29:08.682+11:00Elizabeth,
So what policy should we adopt if not ...Elizabeth,<br /><br />So what policy should we adopt if not assimilation?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8012180776469872262011-02-28T23:04:51.223+11:002011-02-28T23:04:51.223+11:00"That is not a moderate or a compassionate vi..."That is not a moderate or a compassionate view. It is a radical recasting of society and one which is cold to the consequences for those belonging to the Anglo tradition."<br /><br />Liberalism seems to do the "double-think" from Orwell's 1984. It's radical and at the same time it pretends it isn't. It doesn't believe in truth but at the same time truth needs to be opposed. It also involves the unprincipled exception where a non-liberal value supports a liberal value.<br /><br />Assimilation (right-liberalism) and multiculturalism (left-liberalism) feed off each other in a vicious cycle. Due to the failure of assimilation in the USA it has lead to multiculturalism and due to the failure of multiculturalism in Europe it has lead to assimilation. Neither side truly shakes off the liberal worldview and its assumptions nor challenge it. It goes from one stage to another, one wing to another.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-3125036473432184182011-02-27T23:08:12.789+11:002011-02-27T23:08:12.789+11:00Does Peter Hitchens really think this? My understa...Does Peter Hitchens really think this? My understanding was that he was pretty sensible on immigration per se (i.e. not only the lunacies of Third World immigration).Arnold Reevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-7963997090355037412011-02-27T18:43:13.309+11:002011-02-27T18:43:13.309+11:00Re integrationism - small numbers of immigrants ca...Re integrationism - small numbers of immigrants can immigrate into a cohesive society & culture. If the cultural distance is small, even moderately large groups can integrate fairly well, although they will effect some changes to the host culture. But integrationism cannot cope with unlimited numbers. To the extent the old American "melting pot" worked, it was the immigrationcut-off 1924-1965 that gave integration a chance to take place.<br /><br />Moderate conservatives such as Peter Hitchens mistake this factual ability of integration to work with small numbers, as being a general conservative principle that any immigration is fine as long as integration is promoted.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-87109594819229015792011-02-27T17:55:54.810+11:002011-02-27T17:55:54.810+11:00Yes, Mike, that's a very quotable last paragra...Yes, Mike, that's a very quotable last paragraph.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52402646578632373382011-02-27T15:41:34.116+11:002011-02-27T15:41:34.116+11:00Mike Courtman wrote,
"I would essentially de...Mike Courtman wrote,<br /><br /><i>"I would essentially define my position as wanting to balance the interests of the tribe or community with the interests of the individual. I regard modern liberals as extremists because they have no interest in balance, and are only concerned with putting the individual first."</i><br /><br />That's a good point. Individual autonomy über alles is hardly an example of political moderation.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6575569904986737032011-02-27T12:05:09.025+11:002011-02-27T12:05:09.025+11:00Liberals like to define themselves as moderates an...Liberals like to define themselves as moderates and conservatives as extremists or reactionaries, but having only one good (autonomy)is the definition of ideological extremism. If conservatives are extremists, as liberals claim, then why do they tend to come out as centrists when they do political self-assessments? <br /><br />Admittedly these surveys are written by liberals, but it seems odd that a genuine extremist would come out as a moderate after filling out any form of economic political self-assessment survey.<br /><br />I would essentially define my position as wanting to balance the interests of the tribe or community with the interests of the individual. I regard modern liberals as extremists because they have no interest in balance, and are only concerned with putting the individual first.Mike Courtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226171376902020196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-62369528974483439232011-02-26T16:11:39.563+11:002011-02-26T16:11:39.563+11:00Mark said,
"My argument was that the moderat...Mark said,<br /><br />"My argument was that the moderates should really be termed the "radicals" or the "purists" because they want a pure form of liberalism rather than one fused with anything conservative".<br /><br />This is well said. <br /><br />“In particular, he needs to consider why liberals are so ideologically committed to open borders.<br /><br />Good point. Can it be only economics for right liberals?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.com