tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post7812620292135502405..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: A welcome shift in Australian politics?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30960857364788604222010-07-25T18:07:19.261+10:002010-07-25T18:07:19.261+10:00Thank you for the kind encouragement Mr Richardson...Thank you for the kind encouragement Mr Richardson, but my own interests, of safety, of family and of pride in my nation and her people, attach me firmly to this cause whatever the chances of success.<br /><br />To Messrs Robert and Jesse; Adelaide is a pleasing, humdrum city surprised, and indignant, at her own decline.Hespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86070333751866943172010-07-25T17:59:00.904+10:002010-07-25T17:59:00.904+10:00You can't ignore the numbers. I don't thin...You can't ignore the numbers. I don't think real assimilation is possible the more immigrants there are. <br /><br />Yes I really enjoyed Adelaide too, it has a nice sense of slightly old world charm. Even though many of the residents are lefties.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79412028643832492472010-07-25T16:28:45.687+10:002010-07-25T16:28:45.687+10:00I was briefly, and agreeably, in Adelaide earlier ...I was briefly, and agreeably, in Adelaide earlier this year. Overall I enjoyed it so much that I would happily consider living in that city. Whatever problems I witnessed (and yes, there were a fair few Third World immigrants visible on the University of Adelaide's campus), they seemed <i>comparatively</i> manageable by the Adelaidans themselves. Whereas Melbourne is now, as far as I can see, past redemption, and as for Sydney, its only conceivable future use will be if Hollywood has the courage to make a movie based on <i>The Camp of the Saints</i>.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-85315941920057436142010-07-25T14:27:31.338+10:002010-07-25T14:27:31.338+10:00It is all in the blood Jesse.
To accept Western...It is all in the blood Jesse. <br /><br />To accept Western Values is to Be Western.<br /><br />How many blacks hispanics or asians are members of the Republican Party? 5 people? And even those 5 have some weird little ideas if you look closely at what they say. There is always a 'tear down' the system underlying feeling---sometimes you get lucky and it is directed in a positive, helpful way. But that doesn't change the sentiment. <br /><br /><br />Furthermore, people act differently when they are 'individuals' and when they are in a 'group' setting. When a muslim is outnumbered, sure they'll act like you....but watch as they get into a group of all muslims. They will revert to their DNA---especially as they get older.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-60382474341578447862010-07-25T13:10:51.151+10:002010-07-25T13:10:51.151+10:00Hesper,
I was sorry to read about the transformat...Hesper,<br /><br />I was sorry to read about the transformation of your own suburb in Adelaide.<br /><br />I visited Adelaide a few years ago. It doesn't have quite the depth of Victorian and Edwardian heritage that Melbourne does, but it nonetheless had an attractive feel to it - the thought crossed my mind that it would be a good place to raise a family.<br /><br />Can I encourage you not to get too demoralised and to continue to participate in an alternative politics? Even if it's just, for the time being, adding comments to sites like this one?<br /><br />Every single intelligent voice raised in opposition counts at the moment.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-63656329748428703682010-07-25T11:38:04.240+10:002010-07-25T11:38:04.240+10:00To assimilate is to accept Western values.
I don&...<i>To assimilate is to accept Western values.</i><br /><br />I don't think it's that straightforward.<br /><br />An ethny is a group of people bound together by kinship, a shared history, a common language and by other factors such as culture and religion.<br /><br />Assimilation depends on distance and numbers. The further distant someone is and the larger the numbers to be assimilated, the less possible a true assimilation becomes.<br /><br />For instance, even if it were possible for 20 million African migrants to Australia to accept Western values, could it really be said that they could assimilate to the Anglo-Australian tradition?<br /><br />Wouldn't they dramatically change the sense in which people felt bound together as an ethny with a common kinship, history etc?Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-49962549403787145522010-07-25T11:00:26.616+10:002010-07-25T11:00:26.616+10:00Consider then, Mr Jesse, the case of Liberia.
Es...Consider then, Mr Jesse, the case of Liberia. <br /><br />Established in the 1820s by a society organized by philanthropic (white) American abolitionists, they repatriated black freedmen (and women) to Africa and built for them the rudiments of civilisation. The land is fertile, and diamond mines abound in the caves of the hinterland. The political constitution was an exact replica of that of the US. <br /><br />Yet, Liberia in no sense can be deemed equal to even Mississippi in wealth and stability.<br /><br />Consider also that a well-fed, well-equipped and much trained European runner despite many solid material advantages won't outpace the poor, half-starved Nigerian villager in a race.<br /><br />Twins separated at birth and planted in opposite sides of the earth are found much later to have grown the same habits and opinions. <br /><br />Nature is everything in predestining each man's abilities and purposes, like other animals. It's biology, not astrology - and disbelieving this amounts to an innocent but foolhardy liberal idealism.<br /><br />I write this retaining a sincere esteem for your labours on this web-log in expostulating against destructive left-liberal measures.Hespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-16089885200034655732010-07-25T09:00:59.597+10:002010-07-25T09:00:59.597+10:00To assimilate is to accept Western values. That ta...To assimilate is to accept Western values. That takes you a lot of the way towards being a Westerner. I don't buy the concept that it's all in the blood.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71796655130489990712010-07-24T15:41:38.167+10:002010-07-24T15:41:38.167+10:00Mr or Miss "Sick of it" is benevolent in...Mr or Miss "Sick of it" is benevolent in their views but deluded. <br /><br />It is only becuase of people of a certain "race, background, religion, etc etc" that built the Australia he implicitly praises for all its virtues and amenities.<br /><br />Zimbabwe has fields as fertile and mines as rich in treasure as this country, yet languishes in lawless, penurious tyranny. It is the people who made Zimbabwe so wretched and the quality of the people who created a wealthy, free and just Australia. Change the people, ruin the country.<br /><br />Note: I previously published comments under the awkward title of "Fresh Traditional Conservative Proselyte".Hespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-70836843315433853352010-07-24T14:39:00.572+10:002010-07-24T14:39:00.572+10:00Yeah I heard recently that under this "sustai...Yeah I heard recently that under this "sustainability" argument there is a lot of "xenophobic, Judeo-Christian, etc etc sentiment", as if we should be attempting culture neutrality. I mean even most immigrants realise this is not their country and are sensible enough to keep their head down during this election. The problem is they get the vote, they're citizens, and this won't last. <br /><br />At the end of the day we're talking about immigration during this election because of the power of the ballot box. We let the immigrants in on mass and that's over.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55586029134966574662010-07-24T14:14:45.349+10:002010-07-24T14:14:45.349+10:00For me, the issue is not so much "immigrants&...For me, the issue is not so much "immigrants" as it is "immigrants who refuse to assimilate." I am always happy to see immigrants with a genuine appreciation and love for Australia (that means Australian culture, Australian values and Australian people) and I think those types of people should be allowed to come here regardless of their race, background, religion, etc etc.<br /><br />The problem is that our policy of multiculturalism has completely wiped out that attitude. If I had a nickel for every immigrant who said things like "Australia would be great if not for Australians" I would be a millionaire. We've created a society where it is perfectly acceptable for anyone to waltz in and go "These things don't suit me, I want them changed."<br /><br />What is so unreasonable about the slogan "Love it or leave it"?Sick of itnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38743620207506927702010-07-24T13:22:45.501+10:002010-07-24T13:22:45.501+10:00The map I gave a link to shows that there is Under...The map I gave a link to shows that there is Under-Representation in the Liberal North Eastern Seaboard States.<br /><br />I feel like I need to address that so it can't be used as a counter-argument. <br /><br />I think the history of these states are a bit different then the rest of the country----I'll make a bet that due to the weather farming was a rough go, and most men were sea-faring people. These are heavy family-oriented businesses...the sons work with the dad....So that would explain why there would not be as much willingness to join the army historically...as the labor was needed on the boats or the farm. Furthermore, that just validates my point that family history is a good indicator of military service...Back in the 1930s a large portion of white men served...so of course their sons and grandsons would serve as well. That's why the heavily white republican states have overrpresentation, and why Immigrants and their progeny are prone to underrepresentation.<br /><br />Furthermore, there may be a slight argument that some of the settlers in those northern eastern liberal states were puritans or something but I don't know much about that and I could spin an argument validating my point on that as well :) Cuz that's what I do :) <br /><br /><br />Pauline Hanson is a true Australian Hero and anyone who had anything to do with her going to jail is condemned to the fiery pits of hell. (that was the american puritan in me talking)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-32634582513656523772010-07-24T12:59:13.787+10:002010-07-24T12:59:13.787+10:00As regards the White Australia Policy (WAP) it was...As regards the White Australia Policy (WAP) it was killed by traitors and cowards from Whitlam through to Hawke and even Howard. <br /><br />The same happened in the US when Edward Kennedy changed the rules in 1965 that led to a veritable flood of non-European immigration which is now making white Americans a minority in their own country. Nice one Teddy.<br /><br />Anyone that wrote a serious article calling for the reinstatement of this policy would find the going very tough indeed. Pauline Hanson tried to do it in the 1990s and she was jailed by the establishment for her troubles.<br /><br />For this reason, no-one bothers to argue the case much anymore. This is despite the fact that all our neighbors still vigorously practice their own versions of it today. <br /><br />You cannot immigrate to Thailand, Indonesia, Taiwan etc unless you are ethnic Thai, Indonesian or Chinese etc. And yet we are the rednecks of Asia? Go figure my friends.<br /><br />I recall recently that awful hag Tanya Pliberek saying on national TV that we as a nation now "regret the WAP". <br /><br />Speak for your bloody self is what I thought and don't try to twist things according to your own warped pc view of history. The WAP created a country that had living standards and social environment that made it the envy of the developed and the developing world. How could anyone possibly regret that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-77289910481478871012010-07-24T12:44:09.213+10:002010-07-24T12:44:09.213+10:00Oooh one more snotty thing....heheh...."But M...Oooh one more snotty thing....heheh...."But Maybe Paul Kelly (sounds Irish to me!) enjoys the idea of having an all-white Ozzie army rule over a land of mixed raced coloureds"<br /><br />Sorry :) Mean so mean! So mean!<br /><br />OOh another mean thing...or Maybe when China attacks Oz the all white Ozzie army can use the ethnic chinese citizens as bartering tools...kinda like hostages :) <br /><br />Sorry :) Couldn't help it....these liberals need to think before they Write (and so do I :) )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-42303484597086812562010-07-24T12:39:14.605+10:002010-07-24T12:39:14.605+10:00Once the BNP posted a great article about Yugoslav...Once the BNP posted a great article about Yugoslavia and how all the ethnic army factions broke up and killed each other. Can't find it though :(<br /><br />On my local city station they put up all the names of the kids in the army so I always stop and look to see the names of my friends from highschool. Almost all the names are white...like 98% of the names are white--and the few hispanic names are like white kids with hispanic surnames. I know like one asian kid who joined the military and that's it (he was from college.) This is really surprising since whites are a minority in my neighborhood. <br /><br />So you know....having lots of different people in your country doesn't lead to a 'diverse' army. In fact, I just googled US army statistics...blacks and whites are overly represented in the US military while Asians are underrepresented and Latinos are EVEN MORE underrepresented! Woah! "Hispanics are largely underrepresented among new recruits, with troop-to-population ratios of 0.64 in 2006 and 0.65 in 2007." <br /><br />So using US trends and statistics, importing tons of Asians and African Blacks is actually going to create a split between the racial makeup of the Army and the overall population which could lead to some interesting scenarios.<br /> <br />Furthermore, breaking down US military statistics by state one realizes that the highest military enrollment (aka the highest patriotism) occurs from Homogenous states...Alaska being a leading state.<br /><br />http://www.heritage.org/static/reportimages/E8F05D884C7E78E45A200DC953ED3854.gif<br /><br />Fun fun fun!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-50480830807170956652010-07-24T11:26:38.403+10:002010-07-24T11:26:38.403+10:00Love the conscription idea for Ozzies. :) However...Love the conscription idea for Ozzies. :) However, it won't fly and I wouldn't (I'm an American) support it for my country. If you think about it, it could massively backfire as well. If this was the United States, it would just give all those illegal aliens citizenship and be 18 months of enforced integration. (But whites make up a minority of under 18s in the US so it's a bit different then Oz)<br /><br />Paul Kelly is a nutter and that argument needs to be demolished ASAP. Technology and homogeneity make an army strong---not the size. Israel is a good counter example, Korea and Japan as well I would think. Furthermore, what good would it do to have an army of different races that are fractured like Yugoslavia? <br /><br />If Paul Kelly wants a strong Australian Army and a Large Australia....Then Reinstitute White Australia Policy...then assimilation would not be a problem. Give white Afrikaners automatic citizenship (good fighter! I love South Africans!) Give us Americans a place to run to :) Please.....:) In fact, I'd write an article saying that Paul Kelly is actually Advocating a return to White Australia Policy based upon his desire for a strong military.<br /><br />Dude do you guys think an article like that would get into The Australian? With all the racial splitting going on in the US, SA, Britain, and areas of Canada....Australia could implement a white australia policy geared towards whites who want to live in a specifically homogenous state :) I love it!! Poaching of high-IQ whites from the multi-cultural ex-white lands :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25803972989283385442010-07-24T10:29:01.288+10:002010-07-24T10:29:01.288+10:00"People have been talking about this housing ..."People have been talking about this housing bubble for every but the prices just don't shift. I wonder how it will play out. Housing prices here are truly obscene."<br /><br />The interesting thing about housing in this part of the world is that prices rarely crash dramatically, like they sometimes to do in the U.S. and Britain. <br /><br />We're probably locked into high cost housing now, as only a severe depression could have a big impact on house prices.<br /><br />The rise in house prices has been caused by a combination of left liberal regulation and right liberal immigration boosterism, plus government policy which focuses on loaning people money to buy houses without actually increasing the housing supply.<br /><br />One thing that annoys me is that the government prefers to pay solo mums a lot of money to live in family bangalows, instead of building cheap terraced housing for them and thus freeing up older private sector housing (which was originally built for nuclear families, not one kid solo parents) for young families.Mike Courtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226171376902020196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57826010225283494222010-07-24T08:49:43.688+10:002010-07-24T08:49:43.688+10:00Moreover, the first Negro I ever saw myself outsid...Moreover, the first Negro I ever saw myself outside of the television or film, was no earlier than 2006 (I'm aged 20 years at present), in the vicinity of the Centrelink state welfare office. In the interval, of the dozens I've spied, not one has been behind the counter or by the furnace actually working; only spending money they did not earn. <br /><br />The Centrelink is usually full of them and Polynesian no-hopers, not an Anglo-European Aussie or even Asiatic to be perceived. <br /><br />It's well-known, but no acceptably spoken (remember the unhappy fate of the Japanese PM), that Negroes everywhere are a 'net drain' on the economy, other than consuming public benefits and depressing the white working classes' wages, they are utterly unproductive (note Southern Rhodesia and now South Africa, also Mississippi, etc).<br /><br />Where is the Australia of my youth? At the local public primary school I attended 1994-1998, we were all, Anglo-Celtic, Italian, Dutch, Greek,, Serbian, Polish, even Brazilian, all "hideously white".Fresh Traditional Conservative Proselytenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10813361903995425332010-07-24T08:38:16.728+10:002010-07-24T08:38:16.728+10:00I am compelled to assent, albeit mournfully as the...I am compelled to assent, albeit mournfully as the reality confirms my direst apprehensions, with the comment anonymously published at 9:02pm, July 23, that;<br /><br />"Mark, Labor is addicted to mass immigration and NESB migrants. In every single seat in Australia where there is a NESB migrant majority (or large proportion) there is also a sitting Labor member."<br /><br />I dwell within the South Australian state constituency of Norwood, which before the last election was held by the ALP on the thinnest margin conceivable. The population in Norwood throughout is middle-to-upper bourgeois. <br /><br />The sole Labor partisan distributing leaflets and wearing their livery at the primary school (where I attended ten years ago) polling station, was a middle-aged Negro immigrant who spoke tremulous, broken English. <br /><br />More such persons are being lodged in formerly clean, respectable homes bought with our money in the suburb, turning us slowly into Adelaide's Harlem.Fresh Traditional Conservative Proselytenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-19559068734689627862010-07-24T03:19:05.757+10:002010-07-24T03:19:05.757+10:00"Secondly, we need at least 18 months conscri..."Secondly, we need at least 18 months conscription for every able-bodied person under 25. That, alone, will probably half our immigration rate overnight."<br /><br />That'll definitely do it ;).Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21748786996528951082010-07-24T02:07:25.392+10:002010-07-24T02:07:25.392+10:00What we need is a nuclear armed Australia to keep ...What we need is a nuclear armed Australia to keep our neighbors respectful. That will surely alter the "strategic balance" in the region in our favour.<br /><br />Secondly, we need at least 18 months conscription for every able-bodied person under 25. That, alone, will probably half our immigration rate overnight.<br /><br />Thirdly we need to make abortion illegal. That will help to make up for the declining birth rate. It may also teach young people to consider their responsibilities for a change instead of obsessing over their rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86441181467122296682010-07-24T01:20:54.020+10:002010-07-24T01:20:54.020+10:00Sorry I'm reading a lot of The Australian stuf...Sorry I'm reading a lot of The Australian stuff at the moment. On my previous post there should be a closed quotations after "reciepe for strategic troubles".Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52589134028157579782010-07-24T01:15:30.903+10:002010-07-24T01:15:30.903+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71358162256809237682010-07-24T01:14:16.389+10:002010-07-24T01:14:16.389+10:00I'd like to raise another dimension if I can. ...I'd like to raise another dimension if I can. I was just reading Paul Kelly in the Australian and he has raised strategic implications or defence matters in relation to immigration:<br /><br />"The strategic dimensions of this issue demand an article in its own right. Suffice to say that Australia's reputation as a new world immigrant society is fundamental to its global image. Having a new Prime Minister elected on a platform of opposing a Big Australia has the potential to "take off" if various overseas media decide to press this button. Australia's postwar immigration model has not just been in the national interest. In a globalised world of strong population growth the idea that Australia, a rich nation of only 22 million people occupying a continent, can announce its selfish intention of embracing a new smaller pathway to boost its own quality of life while simultaneously denying boat people, constitutes a recipe for serious strategic troubles.<br /><br />Aside from the rubbish of the "selfish" assertion, its our country, the claim is that if we don't have a substantially larger population we're in danger of being taken over. If we don't have good relations with Asia, ie take in a lot of their immigrants *choke*, we'll piss them off and make ourselves a target.<br /><br />The second argument implies we should become a protectorate of Asia or we should kiss ass in the hopes of their good will, which is always fatal. The first is that we need a larger population for defence. <br /><br />My assumption was always that when it came to war fighting in the modern world science mattered far more than population. So that put the emphasis on the stealth bomber, the A-bomb and missile defence, rather than battalions. Is the point that we need a growing population for defence possibly valid though?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71800286210731498462010-07-23T22:39:29.183+10:002010-07-23T22:39:29.183+10:00I agree with your fury Anon, but not with your cha...I agree with your fury Anon, but not with your characterisation of the Liberal party. They brought the unemployment rate down to less than 4% during their term, the first time that's happened in decades. People are claiming this is in part because of immigration. A government has a responsibility to secure the nation's economic future as well as preserve its national identity and provide for its citizens. We need economic arguments to win this as well as justified rage. <br /><br />One thing about the Australian newspaper online is they allow a fair freedom for the publishing of comments. Go there and you'll see a fair debate is going on about this issue.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.com