tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post7553732537947343227..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Should women be warned?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-81168562878400689262008-06-25T22:24:00.000+10:002008-06-25T22:24:00.000+10:00Anonymous (8:02), thanks for your comment. It adds...Anonymous (8:02), thanks for your comment. It adds strongly to the discussion - it's much appreciated.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84690447946700557612008-06-21T08:02:00.000+10:002008-06-21T08:02:00.000+10:00They do not want to warn young women that their be...They do not want to warn young women that their behavior could lead to their victimization because then they can no longer leverage such victimization into political power.<BR/><BR/>I went to a rape crisis center at by university in the early nineties. The university allowed radical feminists to run it. I did not know what I was walking into and had only hoped to get some counseling. Instead, I was treated to a barrage of agitprop including: There are rape free societies out there and they are matriarchies, all men have a madonna/whore complex and no one will want to marry me since I was no longer a virgin, 'sexist' pop music should be censored because it encourages violence, women cannot possibly put themselves at risk, rape can happen anywhere and to anyone, and the women's center needs money and you need to tell the administration this. In other words, they tried to indoctrinate me and use me as leverage for them to get more cash. <BR/><BR/>I went twice and never returned. The counselor never asked the details of what happened or how I was coping. When I suggested that my own bad judgment had perhaps put me at risk, I was shushed. This is dangerous as it discourages women from making smart choices. No one called to see how I was doing once I stopped going. <BR/><BR/>I wasn't the only woman to have this experience as others came forward to complain later.<BR/> <BR/>When I bring up my experience to feminists, they say "that is not feminism" or "we can never blame the victim" or some other deflecting nonsense.<BR/><BR/>The rape industry(and all of feminism) is a shakedown to get money, power and control. They have a vested interest in the problem never being solved so the last thing they want is for women to make smart personal decisions that will prevent it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86808633136172048422008-06-20T16:19:00.000+10:002008-06-20T16:19:00.000+10:00Mark said"...violence against women is normative a...Mark said<BR/><BR/>"...violence against women is normative and that the solution is therefore cultural and institutional."<BR/><BR/>Basically you are saying that according to feminism/liberalism the ills of society are woven into the basic fabric and so structural repairs are the only solution. I think this is the first time I've seen this idea explicitly stated. Working from the bottom, as individuals, to better our lot is no good-- only edicts from the top down can be satisfactory.<BR/><BR/>Without the belief that something is profoundly wrong with society there would be no cause for the sweeping agenda and permanent discontent of modern liberalism. It is also a self-justifying mechanism that reinforces its own progress and means of destruction.leadpbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08957439101293478340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-81042242970488176682008-06-18T08:25:00.000+10:002008-06-18T08:25:00.000+10:00This is not a perfect world and it never will be. ...<I>This is not a perfect world and it never will be. We have to live in the world as it is and part of that is judging risks. If I am reading this correctly a group of feminists objects to being given information which could help prevent their sexual assault. This is bizarre.</I><BR/><BR/>Peter B, you <I>have</I> read things correctly and it <I>is</I> bizarre.<BR/><BR/>I think one thing that helps to explain it is the ideological background: feminists who believe in patriarchy theory don't see sexual violence as a criminal act perpetrated on women by men who are willing to break social norms. <BR/><BR/>Instead, they see it as something that powerful, privileged men do to women to maintain their dominant position in society.<BR/><BR/>So feminists are less concerned to protect individual women from acts of crime and more concerned to readjust people's thinking to the idea that sexual violence against women is normative and that the solution is therefore cultural and institutional.<BR/><BR/>Feminists are likely to think: if only men could be persuaded to give up their unearned privilege, then women could be treated as fully human, and sexual violence against women - which has nothing to do with sex and is all about power - would no longer be part of the way society works.<BR/><BR/>It's an <I>ideological</I> view, based on a whole set of assumptions which feminists never question. We have to do this for them.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-66439044651794272008-06-18T07:43:00.000+10:002008-06-18T07:43:00.000+10:00Yes, these "women" are persuading other less radic...<I>Yes, these "women" are persuading other less radical and more naive women to be completely anesthetized to their own demise.</I><BR/><BR/>Thordaddy, well put. Not only that, but if any of these women should later complain that feminism was a bad influence on their choices, feminists will:<BR/><BR/>a) deny that this was the message given to young women<BR/><BR/>or <BR/><BR/>b) tell the aggrieved women that they have to live by their own choices; that no one forced them to listen to the feminist message; and that the choices were so poor that they have no-one but themselves to blame.<BR/><BR/>or<BR/><BR/>c) suggest that there are always going to be individual casualties in the march of human progress.<BR/><BR/>What you don't get is much concern for the individual victims of feminism in the aftermath.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75702063192187978632008-06-18T06:26:00.000+10:002008-06-18T06:26:00.000+10:00peterb,Yes, these "women" are persuading other les...peterb,<BR/><BR/>Yes, these "women" are persuading other less radical and more naive women to be completely anesthetized to their own demise.<BR/><BR/>It is no coincidence that the solution to this violence is "lesbian separatism" as homosexuality lie at the heart of the modern liberal's belief in non-discrimination (nonjudgemental) and autonomy (nonloyalty).<BR/><BR/>It is the homosexual's nature which has manifested itself as modern liberalism and has as its practical effect the destruction of future progeny and the women that <I>should</I> naturally produce them.<BR/><BR/>The repulsion for heterosexuality is the fundamental characteristic of homosexuality.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38646549103546548892008-06-17T21:02:00.000+10:002008-06-17T21:02:00.000+10:00I have what is probably too obvious a question for...I have what is probably too obvious a question for these lofty discussions but; are the women at this site seriously suggesting that the police should have this information and NOT pass it on to women?<BR/><BR/>This is not a perfect world and it never will be. We have to live in the world as it is and part of that is judging risks. If I am reading this correctly a group of feminists objects to being given information which could help prevent their sexual assault. This is bizarre.<BR/><BR/>On second thoughts it is actually pretty transparent. They do want to be warned. They just want to complain about being warned AS WELL.<BR/><BR/>As for lesbian separatism, as long as I don't end up subsidising their little communes via my tax payments then go for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21497110654833764472008-06-17T09:24:00.000+10:002008-06-17T09:24:00.000+10:00Mark Richardson,I was referring to the two main co...Mark Richardson,<BR/><BR/>I was referring to the two main consequences of feminism. <BR/><BR/>Abortion, as you alluded, being one consequence and <I>murdered</I> white women being the second emerging consequence. <BR/><BR/>Having thoroughly desensitized women to the killing of their own children, it now seems women are completely desensitized to their own demise even if that demise is murder, rape, violence, etc. <BR/><BR/>Belief in feminism seems to be the logical and indisputable cause. <BR/><BR/>All in all, there seems a vicious cycle of killing that many would say was murder oriented.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-51741722668043105682008-06-17T07:47:00.000+10:002008-06-17T07:47:00.000+10:00Thordaddy, I often write to criticise feminism for...Thordaddy, I often write to criticise feminism for its disruptive effect on family formation. The call to lesbian separatism is taking this disruption to family formation about as far as it's possible to go. It's not murder though (are you referring to unborn children here?)Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22360953826980467062008-06-16T15:47:00.000+10:002008-06-16T15:47:00.000+10:00It seems like murder is the real legacy of feminis...It seems like murder is the real legacy of feminism.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18420709097210626902008-06-16T12:42:00.000+10:002008-06-16T12:42:00.000+10:00I used to deal with those types when I was involve...I used to deal with those types when I was involved in student politics at uni. <BR/><BR/>Even though they wanted separation from men, they still wanted to use their money to fund their "women's collectives".Leon Bertrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904286692877156809noreply@blogger.com