tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post7060010427397611272..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Modern dilemmasUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86132665426455554362012-08-07T13:43:05.309+10:002012-08-07T13:43:05.309+10:00"Ha ha, that's cute. I don't think th..."Ha ha, that's cute. I don't think that random men today get the credit for other men's achievements in history."<br /><br />It's not cute, it's more like an inversion of the stupidity called feminism. <br />Instead of past men getting credit for their labour, they get the blame for whatever feminists dream up. And men today have to recompense for that besides proving their own worth too. <br /><br />For all the crowing about how technology has made physical strength,that difference between sexes, redundant, women have an excellent opportunity to pay men back for all of eternity. Besides women like you paying a woman tax.<br /><br />All the 'injustices' against women are rationalized away or simply never mentioned, of course.<br /><br />"By virtue of being human, I'm just as much an heir to Newton as any man is. "<br /><br />Since you don't have dick, you aren't "as much an heir" to Newton as a man.<br />Which btw is wildly off-track than:<br /><br />women can prove equality once they have shown that they build up same institutions as men without having the convenience of marching in already established ones under the banner of oppression.<br />The claim of equality is mere shameless expropriation of anything men build up, or as in the case of videos games recently, boys build up.<br /><br />'It's nice to be understood,'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47456651848842068122012-08-07T06:46:53.905+10:002012-08-07T06:46:53.905+10:00Brendan,
I think your first two paragraphs are a...Brendan, <br /><br />I think your first two paragraphs are a fair summary of my point of view of this issue. Good work! It's nice to be understood, even though I know you don't agree.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20052275315220500402012-08-07T01:49:15.725+10:002012-08-07T01:49:15.725+10:00Love is a connection between the masculine and the...<i>Love is a connection between the masculine and the feminine. If men are confused in relationships it is because so often there is nothing there to connect to in women - it has been suppressed or denied or remained uncultivated.</i><br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />GCDH basically has admitted that, for her, attraction to a man, as a *man*, is purely based on his physical nature -- in other words, she likes people who have a male physical shape and plumbing (for humorous shorthand, "people with dicks"). The rest of the attraction she has to a person is to a mix of traits that are not specifically proper to a male or a female, but could be present in either a male or a female person -- i.e., not intrinsic to either. <br /><br />So, it follows that she could fall in non-sexual love with another female, and that if the female had a dick, she could be sexually attracted to that female as well But if no dick, then the attraction could not be physical/sexual. So at the end of the day, the only thing "essential" about her heterosexuality is physical -- she is sexually attracted to people who have dicks. The personality attraction could happen to either a male or a female (because there is no "male essence" she is attracted to beyond the physical), but unless the person in question has a dick, she isn't physically/sexually attracted.<br /><br />What this does is make heterosexual attraction strictly a matter of physicality. This strikes me as incredibly strained and at odds with how attraction works (at least for men). I've never, for example, liked another guy's personality to the extent that I have enjoyed the personae of female "partners" in the same way - it's never been the case that "well, you know, what I'd really like is someone with the personality he has, but who has a vagina and boobs". Um, no. There is, in fact, a "way of being" that is feminine and different from that way of being that guys have and *that* is attractive quite apart from the confirmation that said person does, in fact, have a vagina and boobs (i.e., is not a tranny). I think the notion that most people are attracted to men and women equally as personae and only strictly physically heterosexually attracted (i.e., would be just as attracted to the same persona in a "partner" as that of their same sex friends) simply doesn't describe how attraction works for most people.Brendannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-683171438002341142012-08-06T22:04:39.275+10:002012-08-06T22:04:39.275+10:00Riiight. I despise my own alleged femininity and ...Riiight. I despise my own alleged femininity and am "compromising" by wearing a floral dress once in a while. Of course, that's absurd. I guess we're at the point where there's little more to say!<br /><br />I will say that I have not advocated a world of bloodless sameness by any means. You're the one advocating conformity -- i.e. that everyone fit himself or herself into either a masculine or feminine ideal. <br /><br /><br />Someone above says:<br /><i>hard-won? how about working for the next thousand of years to pay back men so that it is well-earned? And stop using the term 'equality' as if learning the theory of gravity makes me equal to Newton.</i><br /><br />Ha ha, that's cute. I don't think that random men today get the credit for other men's achievements in history. By virtue of being human, I'm just as much an heir to Newton as any man is.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75358333801680955892012-08-06T15:21:51.792+10:002012-08-06T15:21:51.792+10:00Feminists may believe that they're re-organisi...Feminists may believe that they're re-organising society to benefit themselves, but in the end they will find out that they are nothing but useful idiots who have been used by those who run things to help clear the way for the imposition of a Marxist-Leninist dictatorship.<br /><br /> Many of them will probably be among the first to be "liquidated" as the Marxists like to put it, having served their purpose they'll no longer be needed. When they make it official & run up the red flag over Canberra, Washington, London, Ottawa &c., they'll learn the hard way that some are more equal than others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-9498942494901987372012-08-06T14:39:06.775+10:002012-08-06T14:39:06.775+10:00Feminism is about re-organising society to benefit...Feminism is about re-organising society to benefit feminists, not women, not men and not society in general.chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10600231736705168822012-08-06T07:36:23.616+10:002012-08-06T07:36:23.616+10:00"Femininity" has never been respected an..."Femininity" has never been respected and never will be, because it stands for weakness, dependency, irrationality, cowardice, and frivolity. "<br /><br />Nothing that couldn't be applied to what feminism has devolved into, even if you assume that it wasn't rotten from the start. And how it spreads its rot to other places. Essences and stuff like that.<br /><br />"the historical novelty of women's social equality. "<br /><br />The distortion of history and that of the word "equality" itself.<br /><br />"What riles Georgina more than anything else is the idea that women might not provide for themselves independently of men"<br /><br />which is risible, unless these women ended up in africa without any rudiments of civilization and then came up with one of their own. Even the bloody ideas they espouse are not independent of men.<br /><br />"You guys have to realize...no one told me I had to find a guy in college"<br /><br />Yes, the feminists fought for your right to do that. The right to not to be reminded of any such pesky things about men. And the right to copy men and then spend their lives talking of "what is masculinity?" and "we so independent now!".<br /><br />"We're not the enemy,"<br /><br /><a href="http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/tfae.html" rel="nofollow">that might be true</a>, but letting women play with societies is not acceptable and quite foolish.<br /><br />"You're being disingenuous again, Georgina"<br /><br />If she is not being disingenuous, then she is merely stupid and regurgitating some half-baked feminist principles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76056543070016172372012-08-06T07:22:44.191+10:002012-08-06T07:22:44.191+10:00"And straight men will always respond to wome..."And straight men will always respond to women, regardless of what role they play in society or how tough they are."<br /><br />A dog walking on two legs will be responded to too, which whilst appearing good-humored at first, will outrage more people when they learn of it being forced to do so all the time, than at the POS feminists.<br /><br />"does not justify stripping the rest of us of our hard-won equality"<br /><br />hard-won? how about working for the next thousand of years to pay back men so that it is well-earned? And stop using the term 'equality' as if learning the theory of gravity makes me equal to Newton.<br /><br />"But the more you get into poverty, the less there is anything to strive for, and the slog of work and stability seem to pay little reward. "<br /><br />So you can appreciate the value of the work of men coming before you.<br /><br />"And very few of us conform precisely or even closely to what is considered the ideal "masculine" or "feminine." <br /><br />The precise reason why it's called an ideal.<br /><br />"a person who is almost always a MIX of so-called masculine and feminine traits."<br /><br />What Georgina expresses is much weininger-sque, <a href="http://fullofgraceseasonedwithsalt.blogspot.com/2010/03/feminists-as-mistakes-of-nature.html" rel="nofollow">earlier feminists were influenced by his work</a>, though of course, not agreeing to its other parts. <br />Or maybe they did, which would explain why they continue to clamor for masculinity, even though they do so dishonestly under the guise of 'equality' and "there is no masculinity" "it's a social construct!" and perverting the development of sexes by encouraging the "breaking the sterotypes" "female role-models" "first woman to do so-and-so!!"<br /><br />One of the key differences between the sexes that he argued from was that of the differentiation of sexual organs, which unlike the other differention of reason/emotion is much more universal. Which goes against Gerogina's "it's only some iffy sexual organs!".<br /><br />Weininger's conclusions were to reduce femininity to nothing, masculinity(in the form of genius) as the originator of all that we consider human learning, knowledge, behavior and that genius was the masculine ideal.<br />That of course is unpalatable to the feminists and so he finds himself listed in the misogynist list on wikipedia, even though the feminists themselves seem to ultimately believe in his work while making convoluted rationalizations to burrow around it<br /><br />"heterosexual relationships manifest themselves under egalitarian conditions"<br /><br />as Weininger notes, even in same-sex conditions, there is no equality between the participants. <br /><br />Weininger also wrote of masculine women and how emancipation of women should be their emancipation. Many animals seem to have virilized females popping up now and then, for an example I read was of lionesses who had grown small manes and behaved territorially/sexually like young males. <br /><br />Then the feminist movement wasn't as much of 'equality' or social justice which is an empty canard that rings hollower day by day, but of such women. That these women could now dictate that the newer generations of women coming after them be modeled on them(and prevent boys from being raised into men and turn them into androgynous caricatures like themselves) is where western civilization has gone horribly wrong. (as mentioned in Laura Grace Robbins link)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79878158667323603352012-08-06T06:17:52.784+10:002012-08-06T06:17:52.784+10:00You can't insist that one half of the populati...<i>You can't insist that one half of the population to embrace a set of traits that will definitely earn them derision in any human society, and then that half of the population not to be conflicted. "Femininity" has never been respected and never will be, because it stands for weakness, dependency, irrationality, cowardice, and frivolity.</i><br /><br />And there you have it. Georgina belongs to a generation of women who were brought up to despise being feminine. <br /><br />How do you envisage a world in which the feminine is missing? Georgina does it by androgynising everyone: we are all to meet in the middle in practising middle-class decency and niceness. That is thought to be sufficient.<br /><br />Georgina can have her bloodless world of ungendered sameness. <br /><br />And as for the modern girl's compromise - of wearing a floral dress whilst inwardly despising one's own feminine qualities - that too belongs in the rubbish bin of history.<br /><br />Love is a connection between the masculine and the feminine. If men are confused in relationships it is because so often there is nothing there to connect to in women - it has been suppressed or denied or remained uncultivated.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-44123252402538589852012-08-06T05:34:21.963+10:002012-08-06T05:34:21.963+10:00Anonymous has some questions for me, which I will ...Anonymous has some questions for me, which I will answer:<br /><br /><i>If your so focused on career, then what is your ultimate goal in life?</i><br /><br />I am not sure I can name a single ultimate goal in life. I think that on my deathbed, it would be most important to me to feel that I lived an ethical and valuable life, even if in a small way. That is, I hope that I will feel that I used whatever gifts I have in terms of intelligence and energy to improve the life of the community and the people around me. <br /><br />I believe that people who are essentially decent in their behavior have value to others, even if we can't always see what it is. You never know exactly what kind of positive effect your words, example, or actions may have on others. I've certainly been heartened and inpsired by many people who are toiling away, often unaware of how they've helped me. My fondest hope is that there are others who think the same way about me, even if I don't know who they are. So it's always worthwhile to keep plugging away and doing one's best! <br /><br /><i>As much as a person is devoted to a career and loves their job, at the end of the of day it is only a job!!! At the end of ones life that job ain't going to love you back!!!</i><br /><br />Well, sometimes your job does love you back, but you're right that people are important too. There is nothing about career dedication that precludes strong human relationships. I feel pretty loved by my parents, in-laws, friends, dog, and a lot of the people I work with. I may well outlive everyone and die alone, but I will have had enough love in my life, and in any event, somethig tells me I will always have friends. There are always people to meet and connect with.<br /><br /><i>Since your reproductive window has all but closed, if you were to have a child/children would you be willing to scale back your powerful job and bring that child/children without farming the child rearing to daycare?</i><br /><br />No, I wouldn't scale back my job and, yes, my child (if I were to have one) would certainly go into daycare. I'm not sure what my closed or closing reproductive window has to do with this, though.<br /><br />I don't expect this will be easy, but I'm lucky to have a very nurturing husband with a reasonable work schedule and flexibility, as well as our parents, all vigorous at around 70, living close by. <br /><br /><i>Since geriatric pregnancies bring about complications, would you bring up a child with Down's Syndrome or have an abortion and carry on as normal?</i><br /><br />I'm not terribly concerned about Down's since, even at 41, the risk is only about 1.7%. If I happen to be in that 1.7%, I will cross that bridge when I get to it. Besides, the reality is that I'm pretty old and will likely opt for either adoption or not having children. (I do want to say that I didn't "forget" to have children. I never expected at any point in my life to have kids, so any children we have will be an unexpected blessing!)Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29244793356648649312012-08-06T04:52:50.482+10:002012-08-06T04:52:50.482+10:00Mark,
I think that questioning the meaning of one...Mark,<br /><br />I think that questioning the meaning of one's life is very common regardless of what one's life choices are. Whatever we dedicate ourselves to, we will eventually be old and grey with our youth gone (except perhaps for those of us with a good hairdresser), and it is natural to question whether one's work, whatever it may be, has been sufficiently meaningful.<br /><br />I don't agree that a woman's experience with a paid professional career is somehow less meaningful to her than to a man. Women, too, take deep satisfaction in providing for themselves and their families (I do). For many of us, there is also deep satisfaction in knowing that we are participating and contributing to the historical novelty of women's social equality. This can add an extra dimension of satisfaction to our working lives, as well as the satisfaction in the actual value of the work we are doing to others and to the community.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-19714062401266517522012-08-06T04:40:02.427+10:002012-08-06T04:40:02.427+10:00Mark,
I'm not sure that modern women who com...Mark, <br /><br />I'm not sure that modern women who compete in the workplace but also display "feminine" dress or "feminine" touches are confused. These things don't seem contradictory unless you already think that working at particular jobs is man's work, an assumption many of us don't share. To me, it seems perfectly natural to engage in an intense adversarial proceeding while wearing a flowered dress. <br /><br />That said, to the extent there is "confusion," it's because of the existence of the very gender binary you advocate. You can't insist that one half of the population to embrace a set of traits that will definitely earn them derision in any human society, and then that half of the population not to be conflicted. "Femininity" has never been respected and never will be, because it stands for weakness, dependency, irrationality, cowardice, and frivolity.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84451287073053577172012-08-05T22:24:58.176+10:002012-08-05T22:24:58.176+10:00@GH/DC:
If your so focused on career, then what is...@GH/DC:<br />If your so focused on career, then what is your ultimate goal in life? <br />As much as a person is devoted to a career and loves their job, at the end of the of day it is only a job!!! At the end of ones life that job ain't going to love you back!!! <br />Since your reproductive window has all but closed, if you were to have a child/children would you be willing to scale back your powerful job and bring that child/children without farming the child rearing to daycare? Since geriatric pregnancies bring about complications, would you bring up a child with Down's Syndrome or have an abortion and carry on as normal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-4691040252334656502012-08-05T13:26:43.210+10:002012-08-05T13:26:43.210+10:00A lot of the language used on traditionalist blogs...<i>A lot of the language used on traditionalist blogs seems designed to express contempt for women and the work they perform professionally.</i><br /><br />Georgina, relax, I don't take careers as seriously as you do for either men or women. If I won tattslotto I'd quit my own job tomorrow.<br /><br />There are no doubt some people who manage to find interesting, well-paid work which allows for a good work/life balance, but I'd suggest to you they are in the minority.<br /><br />Something you need to take seriously Georgina is this. When you begin a career the first few years, even if they are difficult, can be rewarding in the sense that you are challening yourself to see if you are able to succeed.<br /><br />But what if you work your way up fast (and some gen X women managed to do this)? You've got a promotion, you've got a great income, you've got the lifestyle, but after a few years at this level of success the reality kicks in that this is what you'll be doing for the rest of your life, until you are old and grey and your youth is gone.<br /><br />I have read numerous accounts of women hitting this point and just not finding it a sufficiently meaningful prospect. <br /><br />For men it's a bit different, as work at least has a bit of extra meaning invested in it, in terms of securing ourselves a family life and a masculine role as a provider.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-13268980763188846192012-08-05T13:14:06.673+10:002012-08-05T13:14:06.673+10:00If the so-called "feminine qualities" yo...<i>If the so-called "feminine qualities" you refer to, Mark, are gentleness, kindness, and nurturing, these are not things you have to learn or that are at all contradictory to a professional careeer.</i><br /><br />If you are brought up as a girl with the understanding that you will be judged a success or failure on the basis of how competitive, materialistic and results driven you are, then you won't cultivate gentleness, kindness or nurturing.<br /><br />If you then spend long, stressful hours working and studying over many years the effect is compounded, as it also is by the hardening effects of embarking on many casual relationships.<br /><br />The effect is then compounded depending on what profession you are working in. Being a librarian might not affect you much, being a teacher in a tough secondary school certainly might, as might working as a police officer.<br /><br />But the main point is this. Women are conflicted about identifying with their femininity. Most women have picked up on cues suggesting there is something wrong with being feminine, but at the same time knowing that their femininity is tied to self-identity and to relationships with men.<br /><br />So we get much confusion. Some women try a compromise in which they are hard-edged in many ways, but try to offset this by dressing sexily when they go out man-hunting. Others take the view that it's OK to have "girly" flourishes every now and then, as if this were an outlier behaviour. <br /><br />In a traditionalist society, femininity would be taken much more seriously, as a meaningful life principle and as a natural telos for women to develop toward and embody. We would admire women who best expressed a feminine way of being.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10214883478793086402012-08-05T11:28:31.478+10:002012-08-05T11:28:31.478+10:00If the so-called "feminine qualities" yo...If the so-called "feminine qualities" you refer to, Mark, are gentleness, kindness, and nurturing, these are not things you have to learn or that are at all contradictory to a professional careeer. People have a vast range of behaviors and modes of relating that they apply in different contexts. Just because a woman spends a lot of time negotiating contracts, it doesn't follow that she is incapable of comforting a crying child or lending a sympathetic ear to a husband. <br /><br />I also don't agree, of course, that women pursue years of education and long on-the-job hours merely because they think it's "glamorous," -- nor that anyone can ever be said to "have done" the career thing or proven much of anything professionally by the tender age of 30! A lot of the language used on traditionalist blogs seems designed to express contempt for women and the work they perform professionally.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58920819492003030232012-08-05T08:47:29.514+10:002012-08-05T08:47:29.514+10:00Most people of both sexes want to do interesting w...<i>Most people of both sexes want to do interesting work, earn a decent living, and care for their families.</i><br /><br />That doesn't describe adequately the life course that is put before young middle-class women.<br /><br />These women are taught:<br /><br />i) Their life meaning is bound up in how far they push along a professional career<br /><br />ii) That competitiveness in education, in sport, in career and in terms of their standing with men is the important quality to cultivate<br /><br />iii) That the lifestyle to aspire to is one in which they live alone as a single girl in an inner city apartment; have a high income professional career; spend their money on clothes and travel and food and drink; and have many sexual relationships with men, and perhaps a few boyfriends along the way - but with the focus on exciting sexual encounters rather than love<br /><br />iv) If there is a meaning outside of this it's in indicating support for the oppressed other, e.g. wanting to go to Africa to help out with a charity group<br /><br />Young middle-class women are pretty good at following through with this. They pick up on the social cues of what's expected of them and they have the self-discipline to follow through. And maybe parts of it have a genuine appeal for young women.<br /><br />But then you get to the point when a woman is in her early 30s when she's done the career thing, proven to herself that she can do it, and starts to wonder if that is all there is. Is it just a case of long hours at work and returning to her cats in her little inner city apartment? It doesn't seem as glamorous anymore.<br /><br />Something is missing. Some women react by ditching the corporate job and looking for something more creative, albeit lower paid. Others amp it all up, and try to find ever more exotic places to travel to or ever more risky relationships to burn themselves on.<br /><br />But some begin to think of family formation. But they face two difficulties. First, they haven't left themselves much time. They are early 30s and their secure window of reproductive opportunity ends in a few years.<br /><br />Second, they haven't been raised with the kind of feminine qualities appropriate to being a wife and mother. They have to reorient themselves at an unnaturally late time in life to their feminine selves. That can take time.<br /><br />Georgina, this is a pattern of life which will break the Western middle-classes. Think of what it's like being a middle-class 20-something man. If all you want is casual sex with a woman who dresses up hot then it's fine (if you're good enough at being a player). But if you want to fall in love with a feminine woman you're in big trouble. Maybe you'll get lucky, but the odds are runnning against you.<br /><br />I want women to hit the age of 21 and be irresistably feminine in their natures - to the degree that it actually makes sense in the minds of young men to make the big commimtments to work and family life. And I want timely family formation - which means that women should ideally marry by their mid-20s.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52720298612015838602012-08-05T07:56:50.019+10:002012-08-05T07:56:50.019+10:00Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlot said...
So beati...Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlot said...<br /><br /><i>So beating and raping women is egalitarian? And not being beaten and raped is a special, unequal privilege? Uh huh.</i><br /><br />That "privilege" word seems very agile. I've been told by more than one feminist that my male privilege prevented my aunt from not raping me when I was seven.gwallannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-54019415715446350672012-08-05T05:03:30.445+10:002012-08-05T05:03:30.445+10:00"I do agree that in a society in which people..."I do agree that in a society in which people value individual autonomy, far fewer people will choose the traditional mother role."<br /><br />LOL they will not choose any kind of mother role. They will refuse to breed entirely, thus thankfully eliminating their stupidity from the gene pool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25969142381270208122012-08-04T12:51:02.242+10:002012-08-04T12:51:02.242+10:00Georgina Charlotte, & all other such persons o...Georgina Charlotte, & all other such persons ought to be confined in an asylum for the insane, for their own good. She is quite obviously mentally deranged. This "egalitarian" rubbish is contradicted by the very laws of creation.<br /><br /> In nature one finds inherent inequality, all properly organised human societies are based on the hierarchical principle. Only worthless degenerate societies exalt this absurd ideal of an illusory absolute equality. Compare the achievements of the Spanish Empire of the 16th century, bringing the light of the Holy Gospel & true civilization to millions of ignorant heathen savages, or the grandeur of the Austro-Hungarian Empire to so many "egalitarian" countries that we see now, that can only plunge ever lower into an abyss of decadence until they are overrun by those who are stronger & worthier to rule, by possessing natural courage if nothing else.<br /><br /> The decadent western "democracies" will fall to the stronger & more vigorous & well-organised peoples of the East who do not lead such soft lives eventually. It is only a matter of time. As Solzhenitsyn said during his address at Harvard in '78, "Even biology knows that habitual extreme safety & well-being are not advantageous for a living organism." & later in the address " And yet--no weapons, no matter how powerful, can help the west until it overcomes its loss of will-power. psychological weakness, weapons become a burden for the capitulating side. To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die; there is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time & betrayal." The renaissance introduced a spirit of pride & sensuality into European society which contained within itself everything that came afterward. First religious liberalism with the rise of the protestant sects, then political liberalism, which culminated in the American & French revolutions & the uprisings in 1848 & later facilitated the coming of Bolshevism.<br /><br /> Eventually political liberalism led to, for lack of a better term moral, or personal liberalism, that which we see round about us now, which boldly denies the very principal of hierarchy, even of differences between men & women, an absurdity that earlier, saner generations would have found laughable. What we are now watching unfold, is in effect the death agonies of the West,rather like a man who has ingested some mortal poison & is now convulsing on the floor crying out in delirium, that is what we are witnessing. Only God Himself can help at this late hour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-62508528837920359012012-08-04T02:00:52.695+10:002012-08-04T02:00:52.695+10:00Mark,
I do agree that in a society in which peopl...Mark,<br /><br />I do agree that in a society in which people value individual autonomy, far fewer people will choose the traditional mother role. <br /><br />You seem to be implying that it's because they want to "prove" that biology is not destiny. I think that that kind of thinking has little to do with people's personal choices. Most people of both sexes want to do interesting work, earn a decent living, and care for their families. How they do it is unlikely to conform to the 1950s housewife model, which is not at all etched in our DNA.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18988046019677129062012-08-04T01:46:20.888+10:002012-08-04T01:46:20.888+10:00Mark,
The specific kind of love between a man and...Mark,<br /><br />The specific kind of love between a man and a woman in a heterosexual couple is derived from the individuality of the two people involved combined with the intimacy of sexual relations and perhaps producing babies together. You may love your male friend, but you will never be as intimate with him in the same way as you are with a woman you love and sleep with. <br /><br />I think that sexuality is what distinguishes heterosexual love from the love one has for one's friends, but sexuality is not the only component of that love.Georgina Charlotte/ Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8795974145074833682012-08-04T01:37:51.021+10:002012-08-04T01:37:51.021+10:00Johanna,
I never said I was contemptuous of tradi...Johanna,<br /><br />I never said I was contemptuous of traditional women. I was raised by a mother who stayed home until I was ten and was quite the homemaker extraordinaire. But my mother never said, "I am an inherently weak person because that's my feminine nature." <br /><br />I will admit that I find it surprising that you never previously considered what kind of family life you would have while pursuing your engineering career. This was something girls seemed to talk about endlessly when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, and into college in the 90s.<br /><br />I also find it surprising that you feel you don't know how to fill the traditional female role. I think that the work women have traditionally done in the house and with children has definite value, so I'm not expressing contempt for that work by any means (and in fact I've done quite a bit of that work), but it's not exactly difficult to learn, except for very technical and not strictly necessary skills like embroidery or quilting.Georgina Charlottenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-80020274383409132552012-08-03T13:53:59.117+10:002012-08-03T13:53:59.117+10:00Mark, in one of my classes we were given an extrac...Mark, in one of my classes we were given an extract for our readings of 'Centrist liberalism as ideology'.<br /><br />I found a link to it in google books. It is only 19 pages and it pretty much sums up the ideological origins, history and differences between conservatives, liberals and radicals.<br /><br />It also accords a lot with what you have been saying about liberals. To quote one part;<br /><br />"Liberalism has always been in the end the ideology of the strong state in the sheep's clothing of individualism; or to be more precise, the ideology of the strong state as the only sure guarantor if individualism.... If one defines individualism as maximizing the ability of individuals to achieve self-defined ends..." on page 10 of the extract.<br /><br />The link to the piece of google books is here:<br /><br />http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RqXsa9kLtQcC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq='Centrist+liberalism+as+ideology',&source=bl&ots=JITBMDtPhu&sig=-yICGuEjllRgKVQyMOGtxmblhuw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2EcbUKXHFM6diAfT4oDwBw&ved=0CGMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q='Centrist%20liberalism%20as%20ideology'%2C&f=falsechrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30378084529011017042012-08-03T11:37:29.659+10:002012-08-03T11:37:29.659+10:00"It's a framework of judging things that ..."It's a framework of judging things that pushes to certain conclusions, and which clearly subordinates the traditional motherhood role."<br /><br />This has been absolutely true in my life. When Georgina talks about being contemptuous of traditional women, I understand her point of view because I was brought up with it as well. To be independent was what I strived for all my life. I never wanted to be weak. I worked very hard to become an independent person.<br /><br />At the insistence of my parents, I got a degree in engineering. I was considered smart, and therefore I had to live up to my potential academically and career-wise. The "ambitious career" path was the only one that was ever presented to me, and I did not consciously object to it or question it. However, at every stage, I had to force myself to be more "masculine." It never felt natural to me.<br /><br />The real confusion set in when I met and fell in love with my future husband. For the first time in my life, I seriously contemplated marriage. I also started to want children. I never factored this into my career plans. No one ever told me to make it a priority. I was meant to get into a stable career, support myself, and then do whatever I wanted later.<br /><br />There are compromises that must be made when it comes to egalitarianism. I didn't realize it until quite recently, even though it seems obvious. If you are working 50+ hours per week to get ahead in a career, you can't be available to your family for that time. I love my fiance so deeply and I can't imagine ever abandoning any children we have the way so many women do today. I fear being a "weak" person, but I can't sacrifice a family to achieve autonomy. It is too high a price to pay.<br /><br />I'm in my late 20's now, so I don't feel that it is too late for me to turn my life around. However, I regret the time (and money) I've lost chasing independence. The problem now is that I don't know how to fill the female role. I was never taught how to do it, and I don't see good models around me. I'm doing my best to make changes. I appreciate this blog, as it helps to know that I am not entirely alone in my thinking.Johannanoreply@blogger.com