tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post7040956280556592956..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: What do Swedish Youth policies really tell us?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6935497573496102232016-02-27T22:12:09.813+11:002016-02-27T22:12:09.813+11:00That's an excellent comment.That's an excellent comment.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79037603380728577342016-02-27T20:49:30.890+11:002016-02-27T20:49:30.890+11:00What you say confirms Chesterton's definition ...What you say confirms Chesterton's definition of insanity. He described the insane as not having lost their reason but having lost everything else. In other words, insanity is the exercise of pure reason upon incorrect premises. Liberals are so difficult to oppose because their conclusions, given their premises, are perfectly logical although perfectly insane. In order to oppose them, their basic premise that we are self-creators in a deterministically material world must be attacked. The problem is that this is rather too deep and subtle for people who feel their way through life.Michael Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044897013849386271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89145683322051624092016-02-27T16:04:09.518+11:002016-02-27T16:04:09.518+11:00This is sort of right. If you push liberalism back...This is sort of right. If you push liberalism back far enough, in terms of its philosophical logic, then you get to statements that have to be justified in terms of their inherent truth - when liberalism denies that such inherent truth is possible.<br /><br />Liberalism, for instance, claims that our dignity rests on our capacity to be self-created. I assume that liberals came up with this in response to the Christian claim that our dignity rests on our being divinely created (in the image of God). <br /><br />The problem with liberalism in this instance, is that it sets up a contradiction. The assertion itself requires a belief that there is some inherent worth in both "dignity" and "self-determination". But having established this as the principle, liberals then have to make everything an open space clear of inherent meaning, so that we can self-determine our own meanings. The starting point contradicts the logical requirements of the starting point.<br /><br />It should be said, though, that once a person chooses to overlook this and accepts the basic, underlying liberal framework, then liberal morality does tend to flow logically from it.<br /><br />For instance, if the primary good is to choose our own meanings and to respect others doing the same thing, then all the liberal talk about diversity, non-discrimination, openness, tolerance, inclusion and so on does make sense. If the world is empty of meaning, except for the value in our choosing our own meaning, then tolerating everything except intolerance is a logical secondary principle. Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-16334743120094071242016-02-27T12:17:49.811+11:002016-02-27T12:17:49.811+11:00The fundamental question one should ask any libera...The fundamental question one should ask any liberal type is: Why are you so passionate for concepts you state "can't" exist? If truth can't exist and morals can't be known, how can you demand de jure powers to compel acceptance of liberal values as absolutely certain and good - or else. They definitely have harmed many an innocent for resisting their program, hardly harmless. <br /><br />Just keep throwing it in their face. It will be apparent very quickly such intellectual skepticism is only for your values, not theirs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-90948177843789399832016-02-27T11:07:18.412+11:002016-02-27T11:07:18.412+11:00"We are not going to talk our way out of mode...<em>"We are not going to talk our way out of modern liberalism."</em><br /><br />Agreed. <br /><br />There may eventually be a reaction but it may not be the one we'd like to see. If we're lucky we might end up with a Mussolini. The other alternatives might be much much worse.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-16608228572245807862016-02-27T09:58:56.732+11:002016-02-27T09:58:56.732+11:00Here's another problem with Anglo traditionali...Here's another problem with Anglo traditionalism. In the Anglosphere, the classical liberal tradition was particularly strong. So those with traditionalist instincts have sometimes held to a classical liberal culture against the onslaught of the modern leftist culture. But classical liberalism allowed only for the assertion of private goods, not public ones. So the hands of the traditionalist minded were tied: they had to limit themselves to living out their traditionalism in their own private lives rather than asserting their values in the public square. Modern left liberals felt no such limitation - they went out to aggressively capture the public square. Even as a traditionalist politics begins to emerge that is distinct from the classical liberal one, the effects of the older culture lingers - changing cultures isn't always easily accomplished.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-42231942405014965352016-02-27T09:36:37.715+11:002016-02-27T09:36:37.715+11:00Spot-on.Spot-on.Michael Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044897013849386271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-78254153056445285312016-02-27T08:47:37.108+11:002016-02-27T08:47:37.108+11:00Traditionalist conservatism, by definition, doesn&...<i>Traditionalist conservatism, by definition, doesn't seem to passionately feel it and act it out and demonstrate for it like MLism does. Setting examples and voting and meeting politely in private places persuades no one not already in the room. The often-private lives of traditionalist conservatives, who by their nature are regimented, orderly, cautious and anti-Trump like, are the antitheisis of the effective, aggressive modern liberal. We simply don't match up well to an activist ML world.</i><br /><br />I agree with you on this. It's an issue. It has to be said, though, that it's a lot easier for MLs given that they have the support of the institutions. Nonetheless, I admire the uncanny ability of MLs to act tribally and communally (despite their grotesquely individualistic philosophy) which tradcons currently just don't have. In Australia white MLs will preach diversity and modernity and yet pick out for themselves the most attractive historic inner suburbs, colonise them, and establish the kind of culture and lifestyle that appeals to them there. Tradcons need to discover the same kind of community building instincts.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-19764563233924333822016-02-27T06:02:17.763+11:002016-02-27T06:02:17.763+11:00Mark, You have well described our situation. It re...Mark, You have well described our situation. It reminds me of the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. No arms and no legs, shouting as if it's not over: "Come back here and take what's coming to you!"<br />Well, it's not quite that bad, but close. I see no evidence - none - certainly nothing sustained, of any kind of effective weaponry in the classic intellectual arsenal of traditionalist conservatism. Unfailingly, it seems, we assemble into circular firing squads as soon as we sufficiently define our differences, while MLs build always successful movements which get the state to formally institutionalize and celebrate their newly created and endless "differences". <br />Modern liberalism appears to be building an empire against weak and bewildered resistence. Its a wave of animated, activist humanity against aging, dying, or dead and gone nation states which increasing function like nursing homes. <br />We argued a good bit at VFR about whether Americans are brain-dead. Maybe we're body-dead or our wills are dead. We seem to able to think and talk, maybe even politely raise our voices like the Black Knight. He remained well-ordered and principled and as he stuck to tradition. <br />Modern liberals act whenever and however they need to. Everything that they do is an act. They feeling their way through life. I once said that "The modern liberal is a devious hypocrite or a duped ideologue who by attempting to feel his way through life, is killing society and destroying a healthier culture, and is repugnant to anything traditionally American, such as common sense and natural law." <br />Traditionalist conservatism, by definition, doesn't seem to passionately feel it and act it out and demonstrate for it like MLism does. Setting examples and voting and meeting politely in private places persuades no one not already in the room. The often-private lives of traditionalist conservatives, who by their nature are regimented, orderly, cautious and anti-Trump like, are the antitheisis of the effective, aggressive modern liberal. We simply don't match up well to an activist ML world. MLs are irrational numbers; nothing is so definite as what each one of them feels. Their disordered world is free of non-material constraints. We are their opposites. We are not going to talk our way out of modern liberalism.Buck Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25833903476609666992016-02-26T18:01:53.478+11:002016-02-26T18:01:53.478+11:00"The Liberal Youth is actually a right-wing p...<em>"The Liberal Youth is actually a right-wing party. It is a free market party of the right. So the point is not simply to reject the left in favour of the right. The more important thing is to break with liberalism, whether of the left-wing or right-wing varieties. "</em><br /><br />Agreed. Modern liberalism in the West is entirely dominated by right-wing liberalism. True left-wing liberalism is long dead. The organised Left is all but dead.<br /><br />The important point though is that most people have no idea this has happened. They dutifully turn up on election day to cast their votes for the British Labour Party or the Australian Labor Party or the Democrats in the US believing they are voting for parties of the Left. They do not realise that these parties have long since betrayed any left-wing policies they once espoused. <br /><br />That's why the relative success of Bernie Sanders and the choice of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader in the UK are interesting signs. They both appear to have some actual Old Left positions. Perhaps we might see a revival of the Old Left after all? Or perhaps the rise of a new left-wing populism.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38800297772956236832016-02-26T15:30:14.078+11:002016-02-26T15:30:14.078+11:00I self-identify as an emperor. My preferred title ...I self-identify as an emperor. My preferred title is "Most Serene and Exalted Autocrat." Any reluctance to grovel before me is a form of bigotry and must be eliminated without further ado. On a more serious note it is too late for mankind on its own to extricate itself from this predicament. One could say that the collective throat has already been cut so to speak, and there's no putting all of that blood back in. God alone can put things right now. Our Lady of Fatima's prophecies are even now coming to pass, there is only a little time remaining. May God save the remnant of the faithful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5667005256369292662016-02-26T08:46:56.664+11:002016-02-26T08:46:56.664+11:00I'm sure freedom of movement for these satanis...I'm sure freedom of movement for these satanists does not extend to moving into their house but why has any home-owner the right to prevent another from moving in-man's freedom of movement...stands above all else?<br /><br />There are no limits to this kind of evil. One can foresee paedophilia arriving rather soon. The frightening thing is this will be, by no means, the bottom. Perhaps there are worse futures than Islamisation and dhimmitude?<br />Michael Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044897013849386271noreply@blogger.com