tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post6908193442089526816..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Getting Girls wrongUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14756033656743893902012-12-04T04:12:35.196+11:002012-12-04T04:12:35.196+11:00That's a good point. And look where it's g...<i>That's a good point. And look where it's got National Review - they're publishing young women who defend the worst aspects of second wave feminism, such as the idea that women shouldn't need men, not even their own fathers or husbands, but should aim instead to be totally self-sufficient.<br /><br />How can NRO claim to have any credibility as a "conservative" magazine where the editors allow through something so clearly and radically liberal.</i><br /><br />That's easy.<br /><br />It's because feminism is now a part of "conservatism" in the US. In the US, conservatism basically is just a slower version of liberalism. Conservatives almost always set themselves up as being against *current* changes, but in effect end up, over time, supporting those changes once they become a part of the new status quo. This is certainly the case with feminism. Feminism -- sans abortion for many people -- is now a part of the status quo that conservatives represent -- not the explicitly man-hating feminism of Eve Ensler, but the more genteel feminism of the workplace, the egalitarian marriage, the use of gender-neutral names for children and so on. It's now entrenched in conservatism, because most conservative women, and the wives of most conservative men, are like this now -- it's just how things are, apart from a small minority of people, even among conservatives.<br /><br />Mark my words, the same process will happen with gay marriage. Conservatives are (mostly, they are already cracks in the wall there, too) against it, but it will become the norm in most of the US in the next 10-20 years and 30 years from now you'll have openly gay couples being endorsed politically by the conservatives and being celebrated as standard bearers of family values. They will simply adapt to the new status quo. It's their fundamental modus operandi, and it's also why they are fundamentally useless as a political party -- as I pointed out a while ago, their main function in the US political system appears to be (1) to provide a (false) foil against which the dominant liberalism can define itself more starkly and definitively and (2) to slow down the process of change and thereby make it more palatable to the public as a whole. Beyond that, they're totally useless for anyone interested in any kind of traditional value scheme, because on every single issue they will eventually abandon that and adapt to the new status quo that the left has achieved.<br /><br />---<br /><br />One might quibble with this and say that this has not in fact happened on abortion -- the only reason for that is that the left has not been very successful in moving the needle very much on the abortion issue nationally in polls over the past several decades, so it's more of a stalemate issue. I expect that this will change in the coming decades as the well and truly brainwashed young generations currently under 35 become more numerous and of age, and that's when you'll see the conservatives change their tune on abortion, too. Just wait.Brendannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24175246673485582122012-12-02T14:27:47.180+11:002012-12-02T14:27:47.180+11:00Lena Dunham created the vile Obama campaign ad.
He...Lena Dunham created the vile Obama campaign ad.<br />Her show is propaganda shows like this are designed to maliciously lead young western women astray.<br /><br />I recently met a young woman in a dating situation that appeared to be a very traditional and polite girl. Then I found out she had never had a boyfriend but has had sex with countless men countless time.<br />She then tried to play the chaste female card in the same conversation. Not happening I was stunned that this women had just told me she was a whore and expected me to treat her as girlfriend material.<br />All I could do was laugh in her face.<br />If a woman is so willing to give it out to men she is not in a relationship with. There is no value in her keeping it from a man she does want a relationship with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72702521643952523592012-12-02T06:33:04.968+11:002012-12-02T06:33:04.968+11:00I mean both the 2008 and 2012 elections was blamed...I mean both the 2008 and 2012 elections was blamed due to the power of liberals on media/big corporations/etc on "social conservatives!". People like McCain, Palin and later on Glenn Beck were rewritten to look as "far religious right!".Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-2584047204994079982012-12-02T06:31:02.119+11:002012-12-02T06:31:02.119+11:00It's amazing how the election was about those ...It's amazing how the election was about those insidious evil hypocritical "social conservatives!" when the only thing that was done was discussions around science.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29870279492738950552012-12-02T02:27:08.621+11:002012-12-02T02:27:08.621+11:00JMSmith:
"I have a lot of respect for what th...JMSmith:<br />"I have a lot of respect for what the Church calls the "glamor of evil," the superficial attractiveness of sin. You see Girls as a study in degradation, but to young adults in their twenties, degradation is strangely glamorous"<br /><br />You are correct. The target audience does not find the depicted behaviour repulsive, and it can modify their own behaviour.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-64589690698300117352012-12-02T02:22:12.478+11:002012-12-02T02:22:12.478+11:00Right-liberalism leads to left-liberalism, when pe...Right-liberalism leads to left-liberalism, when people ('girls') find they can't 'have it all' without government support.<br /><br />Left-liberalism leads either to annihilation, or to a return to tradition. <br /><br />Either way, Liberalism seems to be ultimately self-annihilating. It can only continue to exist by parasitising a remaining healthy community. There have to still be non-liberals producing offspring, in order for Liberalism to turn those offspring into Liberals. Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86638726822918367382012-12-02T00:12:58.040+11:002012-12-02T00:12:58.040+11:00Social conservatives are being written out of the ...Social conservatives are being written out of the Republican party in the U.S. Since the election, social conservatives have been blamed for Romney's loss. The problem is not that we didn't vote for him, but that we <i>did</i>, and that of course scared away all the nice women, Mexicans, Asians, and Jews who would have voted for him otherwise. We just lower the tone wherever we go. NRO is out in front on this.<br /><br />I've never seen <i>Girls</i>, and don't intend to, but I've read enough of the buzz to know what it's about. I'm not as blasé about this sort of show as you are, Mark. I have a lot of respect for what the Church calls the "glamor of evil," the superficial attractiveness of sin. You see <i>Girls</i> as a study in degradation, but to young adults in their twenties, degradation is strangely glamorous. I remember being taken in by William Burrough's <i>Junkie</i>, Hunter Thompson's <i>Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas</i>, and other trash of that sort. <i>Now</i> I read these as studies in degradation that a chaste mind can read as cautionary tales, but that's not how I read them way back when.<br /><br />As conservaties, we believe in an objective hierarchy of value. Our enemies aim not just to level that hierarchy, but to invert it in what Nietzsche called a "transvaluation of values." That which should be reverenced will be degraded; that which should be scorned will be exalted. The desacralization of sex in a show like <i>Girls</i> is part of this great evil. Obviously some people will copulate in public toilets (as I've read happened in <i>Girls</i>, season 1), but I'd say that evil is less than the evil of half the country sitting slumped in their armchairs, being "entertained" by the idea that two characters in a television program are copulating in a public toilet.JMSmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75061013499701941992012-12-01T22:38:25.823+11:002012-12-01T22:38:25.823+11:00John Derbyshire was dismissed as a dangerous racis...John Derbyshire was dismissed as a dangerous racist from the NRO a while ago.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-2449642643331920592012-12-01T22:27:34.640+11:002012-12-01T22:27:34.640+11:00It's true that most of these people are right-...It's true that most of these people are right-liberals but to coastal big cities plus people who migrate from these areas to those expensive enlightened suburbs, and the low intelligence people who swallow the liberal rule hook, line and sniker, people like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are "far-religious right!".<br /><br />I keep thinking that's why a person like Todd Akin pissed off everyone on the mainstream political spectrum (from CNN to FOX News). He said legitimate rape, which irritated the moderate and far-left, meaning that not all rapes are equal and that some aren't even real rapes. But he also said that a woman's body has ways to try to shut down. And that irritated both the far-left who loves partial birth abortion and those New Agey influenced pro-lifers. Sometimes the sperm doesn't meet the egg and we aren't always fertile. I'm thinking both the people who love partial birth abortions for 8 month babies/infanticide at 1-3 years old and people who squeak at a sperm not meeting the egg or whatever are cut from the same cloth. Both are liberal positions. It's either an aversion to life or a severe love for life.<br /><br />It's reductionist. There's no understanding that sometimes death and life are part of the same continuum or the same universe.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37420747703229884612012-12-01T22:26:39.398+11:002012-12-01T22:26:39.398+11:00Daybreaker wrote:
At National Review, anyone who ...Daybreaker wrote:<br /><br /><i>At National Review, anyone who comes too close to telling an uncomfortable non-liberal truth is fired, even if they didn't say it at National Review; meanwhile there is no penalty for edging left. The results are inevitable.</i><br /><br />That's a good point. And look where it's got National Review - they're publishing young women who defend the worst aspects of second wave feminism, such as the idea that women shouldn't need men, not even their own fathers or husbands, but should aim instead to be totally self-sufficient.<br /><br />How can NRO claim to have any credibility as a "conservative" magazine when the editors allow through something so clearly and radically liberal. Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23538383619585924142012-12-01T22:18:49.119+11:002012-12-01T22:18:49.119+11:00What do conservatives need above all, to make a go...What do conservatives need above all, to make a good stand against an aggressively liberal media-financial-legal-political machine, that bestows prosperity and immunity on the fanatically leftist and the morally corrupt, and that strives to put its opponents out of work?<br /><br />Solidarity, above all things: the mutual solidarity of people who know that they are standing for things worth standing for, and even more importantly that they are standing with people who are worth standing with.<br /><br />Where must the personal part of this solidarity come from? Good reputations, blood ties and religion. (If money and rewards come later to consolidate some shaky support, good. But money cannot be the starting point, on principle and because money is on the side of Hollywood, the leftist establishment, and aggressively anti-White institutions such as the $PLC.)<br /><br />What are the implications on an NRO / neocon / right-liberal scale of personal judgment for the roots of conservatives' personal solidarity? All poisonous.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5508431719646243772012-12-01T21:53:18.775+11:002012-12-01T21:53:18.775+11:00The left-liberal taunt that opponents of abortion ...The left-liberal taunt that opponents of abortion merely hate women too poor to pay for abortions is bogus when directed against the conservative right, for example against faithful Catholics, but it has some truth when directed against right liberals. What's the difference between a monstrous woman and one above criticism, when both are having abortions? To a right liberal: brass in pocket.<br /><br />When liberalism helps you get paid and principled conservatism gets you fired or never hired in the first place (which is how it works at NRO, never mind the lucrative world of left-liberal-dominated institutions), that means liberalism makes you <i>good</i>, and conservative principles make you <i>evil</i> and <i>despicable</i>.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5467874650610189212012-12-01T21:07:01.435+11:002012-12-01T21:07:01.435+11:00At National Review, anyone who comes too close to ...At National Review, anyone who comes too close to telling an uncomfortable non-liberal truth is fired, even if they didn't say it at National Review; meanwhile there is no penalty for edging left. The results are inevitable.<br /><br />From time to time someone says something like, "you know a long time ago I joined the conservative movement to oppose affirmative action," but there is no answering echo. Key conservative issues have dropped into silence, and on others such as mass immigration, NRO is on the side of the bad guys.<br /><br />This is what the neoconservative takeover meant: warmongering in the Middle East, liberalism triumphant, and conformity enforced by purges.<br /><br />A long time ago, Jonah Goldberg said that if the Iraq War was not a success, "we" would never be forgiven, nor should "we" be. That's forgotten now. It prompted no rethinking. You could probably get fired at NRO for bring it up too insistently.<br /><br />In retrospect, the neoconservative revolution was wholly malign. It delivered nothing but profitless wars, the stifling of relatively conservative voices, and the betrayal of conservative causes.Daybreakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-74099321931569631042012-12-01T17:38:53.010+11:002012-12-01T17:38:53.010+11:00When you tell people that Ayn Rand was a hyper lib...When you tell people that Ayn Rand was a hyper liberal who thought with her vagina they don't believe you, but its true. That's what "conservativism" is today.asdfnoreply@blogger.com