tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post6896190229225016051..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Liberalism vs community?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-34803868837019318562008-08-07T16:47:00.000+10:002008-08-07T16:47:00.000+10:00"Why not approach some Aborigines and tell them th..."Why not approach some Aborigines and tell them that they too lack a moral compass for identifying as Aborigines and not as members of an international proletariat."<BR/><BR/>Pwned.Leon Bertrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904286692877156809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24230113360352823092008-08-07T13:44:00.000+10:002008-08-07T13:44:00.000+10:00"Based ON" the workers.But who is a worker and who..."Based ON" the workers.<BR/><BR/>But who is a worker and who is a capitalist? Do Marxists really have a proper definition of either? They'd better do, since they want to oppress one group in oder to liberate the other! <BR/><BR/>Here's a thought: maybe the whole thing is a subterfuge to mask the communist project for labour conscription. If we can judge the intentions of a political order by its consistent results, what else are we to conclude?<BR/><BR/>Let's not be too harsh on Thr, though: he's probably some highschool kid who's been brainwashed by Resistance or Socialist Alternative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-48440068446968609292008-08-07T13:10:00.000+10:002008-08-07T13:10:00.000+10:00Thr writes:There's a community better than your pa...Thr writes:<BR/><BR/><I>There's a community better than your pathetic white enclave, and it's based on workers.</I><BR/><BR/>So the abstract concept known as the international proletariat provides more rootedness and social nourishment than our immediate community of a shared culture and history?<BR/><BR/>Mark writes:<BR/><BR/><I>Thr, it is still your Marxist ideas which will be held to be extreme by the average Australian worker.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh come on, Mark!! Don't you realize they are just suffering from false consciousness?!! They need only hear the Good News of Marxism from the likes of Thr to throw off their reactionary ideas!(or just throw out Thr)Bernhardt Vareniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16835838987705352142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82620632209366708142008-08-07T07:54:00.000+10:002008-08-07T07:54:00.000+10:00Thr, it's curious to be told by a Marxist to devel...Thr, it's curious to be told by a Marxist to develop a moral compass. The line taken by Marxist leaders in the twentieth century was that whatever served the interests of the revolution was "moral". <BR/><BR/>Bayonet the children of the Tsar? Declared to be moral as it served the revolution. Shoot the wives and family of deserting army officers? The same.<BR/><BR/>Trotsky justified such measures on the basis that,<BR/><BR/>"moral evalutions ... flow from the inner needs of the struggle."<BR/><BR/>It's not difficult to understand why Labor leader Normal Thomas, in 1938, criticised "that strange communist amorality in which nothing matters but the party and its power".<BR/><BR/>Thr, you have been led to a strange place in which you think Marxism to be moral and membership of a nation or ethny to indicate a lack "of a moral compass". Your ideology is working overtime here.<BR/><BR/>If you really do believe this, though, I have a challenge for you. Why not approach some Aborigines and tell them that they too lack a moral compass for identifying as Aborigines and not as members of an international proletariat.<BR/><BR/>And here's another challenge. Let's find some Australian workers and see which view, the Marxist or the traditionalist, is closer to their way of thinking.<BR/><BR/>Thr, it is still your Marxist ideas which will be held to be extreme by the average Australian worker. Having a positive view toward membership of a nation or ethny will be considered mainstream.<BR/><BR/>There are not too many Australian workers who wear the beret, Thr.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23126050332558750082008-08-07T00:20:00.000+10:002008-08-07T00:20:00.000+10:00There's a community better than your pathetic whit...There's a community better than your pathetic white enclave, and it's based on workers.<BR/>You are impoverished when it comes to identifications, so much so that you look to pathetic nationalist and ethnic stereotypes.<BR/><BR/>There are other categories. When you learn of them, and develop some kind of moral compass in the meantime, then please start expressing your extremist views.thrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14877037272249708164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43427384516925062122008-08-06T14:01:00.000+10:002008-08-06T14:01:00.000+10:00Why not apply Kautz's sensible "moral freedom may ...Why not apply Kautz's sensible "moral freedom may require rebellion against moral community" to the established modern liberal code and start there?leadpbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08957439101293478340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-8713971781259031812008-08-06T00:49:00.000+10:002008-08-06T00:49:00.000+10:00I know I'm going only by what you've excerpted, bu...I know I'm going only by what you've excerpted, but he's trying to manipulate non-liberals (how many of us are there, really?) into liberalism. He makes a concession:<BR/><BR/><I>"All of this is undoubtedly partly true: the liberal idea of the free individual too often, in liberal practice, produces eccentric, passive, lonely individuals. But it is perhaps not exhaustive."</I><BR/><BR/>so that non-liberal readers will, out of politeness of civil discussion, be inclined to make a concession in return. That's when he slips in the gnostic bit about the "truly free individual"--having secured for us the "blessings of liberty" (pulling on our patriotic American heartstrings)--having a "moral dignity" <BR/><BR/>Hmm, yes, I'm convinced. I, too, would like to be a rootless nihilist. And I can maintain my moral depth! Sanctimony is more likely...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com