tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post6481179802173781618..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: And this person wants to transform all of you men!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65406731212106951522010-05-16T17:04:23.123+10:002010-05-16T17:04:23.123+10:00I have no problem with you reproducing the article...I have no problem with you reproducing the article in MRm! magazine.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29501388839812919362010-05-16T07:02:00.911+10:002010-05-16T07:02:00.911+10:00Any chance you would be OK with me putting this ar...Any chance you would be OK with me putting this article in MRm! magazine?Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07339614725666249518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-36454275951980312432010-04-30T06:33:58.025+10:002010-04-30T06:33:58.025+10:00Jesse 7,
Goldman Sachs is "accused" of ...Jesse 7,<br /><br />Goldman Sachs is "accused" of making a profit for its client who invested in the housing bust. Of course, these investors correctly saw the opportunity BECAUSE of the housing boom.<br /><br />And so today, we have a liberal rat like Bloomberg claim that closing the borders will be unprofitable. But what he means to say is that those who have profited from open borders HAVE TO CHANGE investment strategies to coincide with new realities.<br /><br />There are profits to be made NO MATTER WHAT THE ENVIRONMENT. Just like a housing bust can be profitable for a small minority of investors SO WAS the open borders profitable to a small minority of investors, Mexico and a lot of legal and illegal aliens. Now a new reality is emerging and good investors MUST TAKE HEED.<br /><br />How do we invest wisely with closed borders?<br /><br />Think of all the profit to be made now that a major liability is being neutralized and turned back?<br /><br />Bloomberg doesn't want to modify his portfolio to invest wisely in a closed border environment. Too bad, HE MUST or he withers.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-17926113799980464152010-04-30T03:35:29.298+10:002010-04-30T03:35:29.298+10:00The hiding behind the fig leave of the "econo...<i>The hiding behind the fig leave of the "economy" on immigration issues really is pathetic.</i><br /><br />Especially because AZ has 9.4% unemployment. If a bunch of people went back south, that would be a <b>good thing</b>!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30033611918358929132010-04-29T17:16:31.116+10:002010-04-29T17:16:31.116+10:00On the Arizona law I just want to say, awesome. On...On the Arizona law I just want to say, awesome. On the Goldman Sachs issue you'll have to bring me up to speed becuase I'm not sure about it. The hiding behind the fig leave of the "economy" on immigration issues really is pathetic.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65304851633405905832010-04-29T16:53:08.317+10:002010-04-29T16:53:08.317+10:00The new Arizona law and the Goldman Sachs "sh...The new Arizona law and the Goldman Sachs "short sell" of home mortgages for its clients told us two very important things about this mass immigration into the Anglosphere.<br /><br />First, the liberal assertion that the immigrants were the exploited ones has been totally exploded.<br /><br />The anglosphere is the exploited party in this raw deal and the mass immigrationists are the exploiters.<br /><br />Secondly, THERE IS PROFIT IN CLOSING OUR<br />BORDERS.<br /><br />Don't let the open border zealots tell us that closing our borders will be detrimental to our economies Nonsense. It can be made profitable just as bad mortgages can be profitable.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79338076834303226102010-04-29T14:05:26.264+10:002010-04-29T14:05:26.264+10:00Mark said:
"It's a kind of reverse assim...Mark said:<br /><br />"It's a kind of reverse assimilation - I'm expected to cast off my own tradition and identity and assimilate into a new immigrant identity."<br /><br />Horrifying.<br /><br />Bartholomew said:<br /><br />"We traditional conservatives ought to be pointing this out and, on humanitarian grounds, fighting immigration as the deeply destructive and radically disruptive reality that it is."<br /><br />Yes I think that's right, immigration can be particularly tough on immigrants. Especially if they're moving form more traditional societies into the increasingly "tradition neutral" west. <br /><br />On llion's point about compassion and the left. I think that that's right. The blog importantly talks about "left-liberalism", the blending of the two views. I think perhaps on many issues the left side of left-liberalism says we should be compassionate and the liberal side says, can't someone else do it.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18874021761689187982010-04-29T12:48:42.478+10:002010-04-29T12:48:42.478+10:00Illion,
"Just don't make the mistake of ...Illion,<br /><br /><i>"Just don't make the mistake of imagining that the rank-and-file ethnic immigrants necessarily subscribe to those reverse-assimilationist views."</i><br /><br />Why does it matter? It's the views people promote and defend in public which determine policy and culture.<br /><br />Also, if assimilation is undesirable for Mr. Richardson and most normal Australians, why should we assume it's desirable or healthful for an immigrant? Assimilation means emptying yourself of your heritage, your line, your language, culture and loyalties and imposing a new one on yourself. <br /><br />This is an obviously going to be a very stressful thing to do, and thus only makes sense under the most stressful and extreme circumstances. <br /><br />We traditional conservatives ought to be pointing this out and, on humanitarian grounds, fighting immigration as the deeply destructive and radically disruptive reality that it is.<br /><br />Just my two cents.<br /><br />Great article though, Mr. RichardsonBartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22685601396455742852010-04-29T08:20:24.650+10:002010-04-29T08:20:24.650+10:00Just don't make the mistake of imagining that ...Just don't make the mistake of imagining that the rank-and-file ethnic immigrants necessarily subscribe to those reverse-assimilationist views.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86779331732468531432010-04-29T07:44:39.363+10:002010-04-29T07:44:39.363+10:00Leon,
I'm not as confident about the "pr...Leon,<br /><br />I'm not as confident about the "progressive patriotism" as you are.<br /><br />There have been some columns in the Melbourne newspapers written by Asian immigrants to Australia on the issue of patriotism.<br /><br />These columns have been critical of the atomised individualism promoted by our own liberals. Not surprisingly, there are Asian intellectuals who don't feel comfortable with this.<br /><br />But the "new patriotism" they want to put in its place has, in each of these columns, been proposed at the expense of the older Australian national tradition.<br /><br />The period of European Australia is to be erased from the national consciousness as something bad that happened in the past and has now been overcome.<br /><br />As you can imagine, it's difficult for me to be enthusiastic about such proposals. It's a kind of reverse assimilation - I'm expected to cast off my own tradition and identity and assimilate into a new immigrant identity.<br /><br />I'll try to dig up one of these columns to illustrate the problem.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56695257453252663752010-04-29T07:32:33.680+10:002010-04-29T07:32:33.680+10:00What is proposed by the transgender, however, is n...<i>What is proposed by the transgender, however, is not a call to be compassionate towards males who feel uncomfortable with masculinity or their sex. Rather, its a wholesale rejection of masculinity holus bolus as being inherently unjust and its requirements being destructive and constrictive.</i><br /><br />Jesse, spot on.<br /><br />None of this would be such an issue if it were just a matter of feeling compassion for the small number of people who don't identify with their biological sex.<br /><br />But, as you point out, there is a radical politics attached which can only further undermine the general culture and society.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-68039695430828214402010-04-29T05:56:31.647+10:002010-04-29T05:56:31.647+10:00One thing to notice about leftist "compassion...One thing to notice about leftist "compassion" -- it never costs *them* anything; and, frequently, they materially benefit from the forced "compassion" of us "little people."Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89975371994683956592010-04-29T05:25:01.145+10:002010-04-29T05:25:01.145+10:00Leon Betrand said:
"Nevertheless, I do belie...Leon Betrand said:<br /><br />"Nevertheless, I do believe that we have to recognise that what leads to such demands is a feeling of rejection, alienation, oppression, isolation etc."<br /><br />The idea of oppressed rights is an obvious left wing theme, but I think there's more to left wing thinking than just that. <br /><br />Compassion, for instance, which I think is different in several respects to a sense of injustice is a very strong motiff in left wing thinking. Look at the issue of refugees for instance. The left, I would say, see this as primarily a compassion issue, (rather than as an immigration issue in the way that we would). According to the left we should care for the unfortunate, feel sorry for their situation and be generous. <br /><br />Its a similar situaton with the illegal Mexicans in the US. The left wing argument runs along the lines that we should let them in because they have a lower quality of life at home, ie that we should feel sorry for them. The focus is on the immigrant and how we feel towards them, ie compassion, with the national implications being hardly considered or dismissed as largely inconsequential or easily resolved.<br /><br />How is this relevant to the transgender situation? Here according to Leon’s argument, compassion, they feel rejected and alienated etc and we should consider that, should be a front and centre issue. What is proposed by the transgender, however, is not a call to be compassionate towards males who feel uncomfortable with masculinity or their sex. Rather, its a wholesale rejection of masculinity holus bolus as being inherently unjust and its requirements being destructive and constrictive.<br /><br />So you can be drawn towards left wing positions through feelings of sympathy or compassion and then be left in very vulnerable or untenable positions when you’re hit by the formers enforcement of their new rights or their claims of wholesale injustice. <br /><br />Its very hard in practise to come to terms with these people.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-60583071570612077572010-04-28T16:28:02.247+10:002010-04-28T16:28:02.247+10:00"So where is this patriotism? Is "progre..."So where is this patriotism? Is "progressive patriotism" the good old fashioned argument that war protestors are more patriotic than the soldiers?"<br /><br />In the US, Eric Ken Shinseki (Japanese) is a retired four-star general whom Obama chose to be Secretary of Veterans Affairs. He did this for two reasons a) the guy isn't white and b) supposedly (though it doesn't say this on Wiki but this was in the media reports at the time) he retired because he disagreed on the Iraq War with the Bush Administration. <br /><br />But if Shinseki was a true American patriot, and true soldier, he would not have retired. Because a true military general would not desert his men. He may have disagreed with a war, but that's even more reason to stick around...so that your good judgement can help protect the men in the military. <br /><br />So as far as I'm concerned, Shinseki only cared about himself and is a dumbshit who deserted his men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-70410998248190137672010-04-28T03:09:07.466+10:002010-04-28T03:09:07.466+10:00Leon Betrand said:
"The book notes how many ...Leon Betrand said:<br /><br />"The book notes how many immigrants from all backgrounds come to Australia and become Australian in their own customs and loyalties. So even with large migration levels, patriotism will always be a sentiment share by most Australians."<br /><br />Non whites don't join the military in any considerable number nor do they attend Anzac day services. So where is this patriotism? Is "progressive patriotism" the good old fashioned argument that war protestors are more patriotic than the soldiers? Well the immigrants don't do that either. They don't do anything in the public sphere unless they're directly affected or their home country is affected. A country they actually feel patriotism for. <br /><br />Anonymous said:<br /><br />"Who could argue that all those good things weren't the right cause to fight for?"<br /><br />Ok fair enough there are right wing arguments that can be made against fighting many of the wars of the twentieth century.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89071308462594415112010-04-27T19:46:09.933+10:002010-04-27T19:46:09.933+10:00"The proposed solutions are extreme and unrea..."The proposed solutions are extreme and unreasonable. Cutting deals in such an environment is sort of like granting seemingly favourable concessions to communists who aren't actually interested in the issues anymore and only want to take over the state."<br /><br />I totally agree that compromise with respect to outlandish and ridiculous demands is out of the question. <br /><br />Nevertheless, I do believe that we have to recognise that what leads to such demands is a feeling of rejection, alienation, oppression, isolation etc.<br /><br />On the subject of patriotism, i'm reading an interesting book called Reclaiming Patriotism, which argues in favour of progressive patriotism. The author rightly argued that the left have effectively sidelined themselves by viewing patriotism with suspicion since most Australians are patriotic. <br /><br />The book notes how many immigrants from all backgrounds come to Australia and become Australian in their own customs and loyalties. So even with large migration levels, patriotism will always be a sentiment share by most Australians.Leon Bertrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904286692877156809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-70965517785958713192010-04-27T19:24:26.629+10:002010-04-27T19:24:26.629+10:00As the erstwhile accomodation you relate makes cle...As the erstwhile accomodation you relate makes clear, Jesse, society can't really reach any accomodation with the leftists. Even total surrender on some point of their <i>current</i> demands will not satisfy them on the point, much less any other.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-51396119132034577962010-04-27T16:55:06.055+10:002010-04-27T16:55:06.055+10:00http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2877002.htm?cl...http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2877002.htm?clip=rtmp://cp44823.edgefcs.net/ondemand/flash/tv/streams/qanda/qanda_2010_ep12.flv<br /><br />Link to the Q&A episode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-77934469722174723242010-04-27T16:07:15.161+10:002010-04-27T16:07:15.161+10:00the causes we fought for were right
Because Austr...<i>the causes we fought for were right</i><br /><br />Because Australia had such an obvious interest in the moral issue of the violation of Belgian neutrality! Or something. Whatever it was, it was surely worth spilling oceans of English, Irish, Scottish, Canadian, Australian, and New Zealander blood. After all, the war produced so many good things, like the Civil War in Russia in which the Bolsheviks triumphed, German collapse and the ultimate rise of Nazism, the carving up of the Ottoman Empire, the rise of Arab nationalism, the crippling of British power, Turkish genocide of the Greeks and Armenians, etc. etc. Who could argue that all those good things weren't the right cause to fight for?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-64428350830198863812010-04-27T15:44:53.905+10:002010-04-27T15:44:53.905+10:00"On this issue a general intellectual ”accomm..."On this issue a general intellectual ”accommodation” with the left has taken place. And its important because it goes to the question of how do you deal, or how have we dealt, with the left?"<br /><br />Sorry I should have empahsied this point in the opening of my comment.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-74741355153217879122010-04-27T15:40:56.808+10:002010-04-27T15:40:56.808+10:00Cont.
General Cosgrove (a popular retired general...Cont.<br /><br />General Cosgrove (a popular retired general) who generally defended the conservative view, restated the accommodation and denied that Anzac day services were currently jingoistic or valorising of war. He stated that the left wing criticisms were largely ridiculous and that any attempt to change Anzac day dramatically would be met by fierce public opposition. On the point about immigrants he said that each individual will develop their own take on Anzac day and if you're personally not interested at least you can enjoy the public holiday. Cosgrove was nonetheless willing to acknowledge that many injustices had taken part in Australia's history and should be remembered or acknowledged, as well as Anzac day.<br /><br />The essence of Cosgrove's point was that it is a numbers game. The public (ie white public, the same public who attend Anzac day services , whose relatives fought and died in the wars and who currently serve in the forces) won't put up with any substantial change. His arguments were not excessively intellectual. He didn't say that there's nothing wrong with being jingoistic in many circumstances, that the immigrants who don't want to be a part of it can go to hell or that the left are excessively attacking our traditions as opposed to remedying injustices. Rather that merely largely on a practical level any substantial change won't be accepted or agreed with. Also he used the argument that everyone can figure out Anzac day “for themselves”. This whilst essentially a common sense position does have the potential to undermine the common national significance of the day. <br /><br />Cosgrove won the night, although he made some concessions for instance to Aboriginals, but the point is ultimately that the left will have to be taken on intellectually. You can't rely on winning by numbers arguments while the numbers are shifting around you. You can't endlessly give ground to the left for the sake of fairness and accommodation. You can’t say “everyone figure it out for yourselves” and hope that they’ll inevitably separately come to the accepted traditional view. The left will have to be taken on front and centre.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-88829390057385596122010-04-27T15:34:35.525+10:002010-04-27T15:34:35.525+10:00I was watching Q and A last night, Question and An...I was watching Q and A last night, Question and Answer, a program where a number of political and social panellists are brought together to answer questions put by the audience. The show certainly has a left wing tilt and the selection of panellists usually favours the left. The topic was “What the meaning of Anzac Day?”, which is the equivalent of US Veterans Day or British Remembrance day. Anzac day is probably a bigger deal in our country than other countries equivalent memorial days, because historically in part Anzac day recognised our commitment in WWI, which took place just after our federation or separate nation status. Our good performance and resilience in battle was viewed as a recognition of Australian difference, excellence and of our separation from England or as our quasi “Birth of the nation”. Consequently it has some similarities with July 4th or Bastille day. <br /><br />The topic was "what's the meaning of Anzac Day" which is a left wing topic. The left are very reluctant to embrace Anzac day, one of our most popular national days, because to them it celebrates a blokey or militaristic history and is viewed as being excessively jingoistic. They would say why should we be defined, through our history in war as opposed to our other, (left wing) accomplishments. Also that its an unashamedly proud occasion and that we shouldn't be proud of our role in war or alternatively how can we be proud without fully acknowledging our treatment of the aborigines? Or some other such thing. <br /><br />The left view is in contrast to the more common view in our history or conservative view. This is along the lines that we fought, we won, we showed excellent ability and national traits such as resilience and mateship. That the causes we fought for were right and that those who served were heroic in their efforts and in their fight for their nation and its causes. That war, whilst horrifically costly, was sometimes necessary and that those who fell, were injured or served, should never be forgotten. Essentially that Anzac day is a day of national pride as well as remembrance.<br /><br />On this issue a general intellectual ”accommodation” with the left has taken place. And its important because it goes to the question of how do you deal, or how have we dealt, with the left. The accommodation is that the overwhelming focus of Anzac day, in all the capital cities, although there are variations, and in news coverage, whilst acknowledging Australian pride, should be on the overall costs and horror of war and remembrance of those who fell and served. Specifically that war should not be glamorised, Anzac day should essentially be a solemn day and concepts of Anzac day being the birth of our nation should be minimised. <br /><br />Going back to Question and Answer it was clear that this accepted accommodation with the left while still the overwhelmingly accepted norm, was beginning to be questioned, or wasn't enough. There were questions raised that Anzac day should be moved to another day to de-emphasise our historical connection to Britain. That it has very little or nothing to do with our "new" Australians (ie immigrants). Again that our current memorial services still have a backdrop of jingoism, militarism and masculine pride. Also, (and this was funny), the left wingers Germaine Greer and author/historian Reynolds stated that Anzac day commemorations were being stuffed down the throats of school children by a conservative schooling system. Like I said funny.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14518991609900845492010-04-27T12:03:26.249+10:002010-04-27T12:03:26.249+10:00For my sad, Gramsci ideas is very popular in Brazi...For my sad, Gramsci ideas is very popular in Brazil.Shâmtia Ayômidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534189782400255316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-49021016007086977452010-04-27T05:02:47.323+10:002010-04-27T05:02:47.323+10:00"The real solution is obviously a more modera..."<i>The real solution is obviously a more moderate one. We need to be more accepting of transgender people, not try to eliminate the entire concept of gender altogether.</i>"<br /><br />Disingenuous pish-tosh! We don’t need to do any such thing.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-91785762539557837222010-04-26T17:52:19.947+10:002010-04-26T17:52:19.947+10:00No wonder Islam is in rebellion against the West. ...No wonder Islam is in rebellion against the West. Anyone would be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com