tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post6251522509638921343..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Clarissa blames conservatives for all political violenceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-45136620642206692792011-01-18T07:03:19.016+11:002011-01-18T07:03:19.016+11:00Nup, debate is encouraged. Will you do it?Nup, debate is encouraged. Will you do it?Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37149106349496485172011-01-18T03:40:37.530+11:002011-01-18T03:40:37.530+11:00What is the discussion here, people? It is so stra...What is the discussion here, people? It is so strange to read a blog where everyone agrees and there is absolutely no debate. Does the moderator simply refuse to post the comments of those who disagree or voice an opinion different from that of a "common identity" set forward here? Yawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-34815342286268965142011-01-13T17:02:24.940+11:002011-01-13T17:02:24.940+11:00Clarissa so much hates the idea of a common identi...Clarissa so much hates the idea of a common identity that she writes out of history the fact that "modernism" survived those two world wars last century only because the good guys found within themselves enough tribalism(among the virtuous) and intolerance (of evil) to take on the bad guys. She uses the mischevious form, "wars were fought". Well, who fought them and why will they fight them the next time? Who will fight the next war against troublers of modernismRumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12547081826637914682011-01-12T16:27:53.399+11:002011-01-12T16:27:53.399+11:00""I guess the question is then not about...""I guess the question is then not about destroying traditions and values, but about who is "allowed" to do the destroying""<br /><br />It is more about which cultures are being destroyed.<br /><br />Lets be clear, even moreso than the primacy of autonomy the dogma of the liberal-left says that all problems on earth are caused by the West, Capitalism, or Western-Capitalism.<br /><br />It is a religious article of faith, and since Ethnic-Euro Males were the ones to create both "the West" and "Capitalism" we are the Satan of their theology.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23090927108337795312011-01-12T14:43:29.006+11:002011-01-12T14:43:29.006+11:00"I'm hard pressed to actually think of a ..."I'm hard pressed to actually think of a clear example of a conservative or nationalist taking extreme against action as a liberal leader in the U.S in the last 40 years or so."<br /><br />Sorry, that's supposed to read "against a liberal leader in the U.S in the last 40 years or so".<br /><br />Basically under the liberal hememony we now have, political violence has decreased (as it usually does when a particular ideology has a monopoly) while violence by the mentally ill and Muslims has increased.Mike Courtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226171376902020196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27286145470395363452011-01-12T14:15:20.958+11:002011-01-12T14:15:20.958+11:00"In the 1970s and 80s, the radical Red Brigad..."In the 1970s and 80s, the radical Red Brigades were responsible for acts of political violence in Italy"<br /><br />Last time I checked it was the fascists doing false flags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43532604010240898782011-01-12T12:15:29.762+11:002011-01-12T12:15:29.762+11:00I guess the question is then not about destroying ...<em>I guess the question is then not about destroying traditions and values, but about who is "allowed" to do the destroying.</em><br /><br />No, the question is:<br />Which cultures are we allowed to destroy?<br /><br />Also, the missionaries weren't destroying cultures, they were replacing them. The lefties are destroying cultures and leaving a vacuum behind (or so they say).Altehttp://www.traditionalcatholicism.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-17560480299123118642011-01-12T11:00:51.009+11:002011-01-12T11:00:51.009+11:00Yet weren't these same liberals the first to c...Yet weren't these same liberals the first to criticise missionaries, etc who when seeking the lost, sought to improve conditions in the third world. Weren't these same liberals screaming about such as colonialism ?<br />And isn't it the same liberals, who now look back on those times and criticise the destruction of traditional cultures ?<br />I guess the question is then not about destroying traditions and values, but about who is "allowed" to do the destroying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30585066049938426812011-01-12T09:42:54.707+11:002011-01-12T09:42:54.707+11:00I still don't fathom why the lefties, who alwa...<i>I still don't fathom why the lefties, who always assume the moral high ground, find a (conservative) political worm in every bad apple. </i><br /><br />The philosophical underpinning of leftism is believing what you want to believe in, regardless of reality.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18817089194106226932011-01-12T08:54:39.413+11:002011-01-12T08:54:39.413+11:00Almost all of these occassional acts of quasi poli...Almost all of these occassional acts of quasi political violence by Whites and Jewish males in America are acts of rebellion against authority, not against liberal modernity. The desire to take extreme action against authority is a common trait among those with paranoid tendencies, and opposition to certain kinds of authority (such as the Police) is something that liberals celebrate in their popular culture.<br /><br />I'm hard pressed to actually think of a clear example of a conservative or nationalist taking extreme against action as a liberal leader in the U.S in the last 40 years or so.<br /><br />If it acts of violence against liberal modernity she is looking for, then most of these are committed by Muslims.Mike Courtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226171376902020196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6307554934724013252011-01-12T06:55:40.303+11:002011-01-12T06:55:40.303+11:00Another problem would be for liberals to regulate ...Another problem would be for liberals to regulate and control the Internet. Don't underestimate the insanity of liberalism. They will stop any dissent from the liberal vision. Proceed with caution.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-77793889594236270042011-01-12T06:03:19.642+11:002011-01-12T06:03:19.642+11:00Clarissa's ideas aren't new, see Eric From...Clarissa's ideas aren't new, see Eric Fromm's "Escape from Freedom" blaming the rise of facism (and to his credit to a degree communism) on the same issue. Its also incredibly smug, we're the "progressives" you're the backwards types. <br /><br />It also ignores the conformity in the left wing thinking, their desire to embrace throw back ideas (environmentalism/nature worship, foreign spiritualism), the fact that they don't actually live as disconnected individuals but come out of and live in left wing communities. <br /><br />Its essentially a condescending attitude to issues of change rather than a properly inclusive idea (eg "'clinging' to guns and religion") and a way of looking down on your political opponents rather than just seeing them as your enemy. <br /><br />All of that would be better if this guy was actually a right winger, but he's not. He is not a reactionary example but a member of the empowered detritus of modern liberal societyJesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82395822721462311002011-01-12T04:36:20.095+11:002011-01-12T04:36:20.095+11:00If you do not have a collective identity, you do n...If you do not have a collective identity, you do not have a nation. If you do not have a nation, you cannot defend yourself against the barbarians that are always at the gates. The liberal social order Clarissa craves will be no more. Why should I defend Clarissa if I share no common identity with her?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89308062537673318002011-01-12T04:31:56.163+11:002011-01-12T04:31:56.163+11:00Novaseeker asks, "Why should the hegemonic le...Novaseeker asks, <i>"Why should the hegemonic left's vision prevail?" </i><br /><br />We don't know for how long the "left's vision" will prevail. Nothing prevails forever. But it seems to be prevailing right now because the left's vision projects the ruling ideas believed in and articulated by the intellectual elites of our time. That's why it's a political hegemony. <br /><br />It's anybody's guess how or when educated opinion will change. However, despite the confidence of people like Clarissa, the liberal consensus that dominates public life in Western societies is unlikely to be an historic endpoint. <br /><br />Perhaps the political influence of the internet will grow - if sites like this multiply and prosper - and this will be a key factor in the propagation of attitudes and values which are opposed to the universal utopianism which the liberals have in mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46688778410633636072011-01-12T04:18:02.157+11:002011-01-12T04:18:02.157+11:00I'm glad Clarissa is openly stating the libera...I'm glad Clarissa is openly stating the liberal vision. This is a very good trend. Inform people the error of it. Show no mercy to liberalism. Liberals sometimes remind me of Umbridge from Harry Potter.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-51915626994139463632011-01-12T02:14:13.618+11:002011-01-12T02:14:13.618+11:00Of course, as it's recognized here, *yes*, we ...Of course, as it's recognized here, *yes*, we *do* have a problem with "modernity", as it has been defined by the hegemonic left. However, this is just a sidestep to the question of "is this 'modernity' desirable?". The left assumes that it is, based on the assumption that most people prefer anonymous, individually-crafted identities and loyalties to those based on birth, blood and belief. That assumption is simply not proven and, in fact, the resistance to the hegemonic left's programming in this regard indicates that quite a few people do *not* prefer that kind of "rootless" individualism, and instead prefer a kind of individualism that is rooted in birth, blood and belief.<br /><br />Of course, someone like Clarissa would claim that the number of "resisters" is low, but that is also unproven and is subject to vigorous debate. The number of resisters certainly varies by country (the US has more resisters, on average, than other Western countries, do, due to the more vigorous right in the US), but by all accounts the number of resisters is not small. And in light of that, the question is begged: why should the hegemonic left's vision prevail? On what basis can this be justified, if it really is not nearly a 100% consensus view?<br /><br />That debate gets into the underlying merits of rootless individualism vs. rooted individualism, and that is a debate conservatives can win. That's precisely why most of the left sidesteps that debate and simply assumes that their perspective is "objectively superior".<br /><br />While it's true that history marches in one direction, it isn't true that any one cultural system continues in an endlessly progressing manner for all of history -- cultures make bad decisions, take bad turns, and suffer as a result, either being subjugated by other cultures or outright vanishing. There is no case to be made based on time's arrow that Western liberal ideas are inevitable to succeed on a global basis. They could just as easily lead Western culture into a declining whirlpool, allowing other cultures that do not embrace the Western left's ideas to overtake the West. The left does not believe this as a possible outcome, but they are not really thinking clearly -- there is no historical precedent at all for a culture based on rootless individual self-determination to succeed in a competition with other cultures -- none. Of course, they don't care for history much (other than viewing it as a catalogue of crime), and likely this will be their undoing.knightblasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042581488365314771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12767005464681016962011-01-12T01:14:41.889+11:002011-01-12T01:14:41.889+11:00So, we're "modernity phobes" rather ...So, we're "modernity phobes" rather than "homophobes", "xenophobes", and the like. Same old, same old. My mother recently told me I was a "technophobe" because I didn't want her to give me a Droid. Maybe... I just don't have any use for it, or consider it an improvement to my life.<br /><br />Can't I just analyze and examine something, and reject it because I don't want it, rather than out of fear?Altehttp://www.traditionalcatholicism.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14478088305152323872011-01-12T00:47:47.311+11:002011-01-12T00:47:47.311+11:00Note that Clarissa artfully insinuates that 9-11, ...Note that Clarissa artfully insinuates that 9-11, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Tucson shooting and the two world wars have moral equivalence. <br /><br />If "modernity", adequately adapted to, while liberating the multitude from traditional identities, at the same time creates a vast pool of anomie and alienated individuals, do the "winners" outnumber the "losers"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21538081162768440862011-01-11T23:47:05.581+11:002011-01-11T23:47:05.581+11:00Clarissa's condemnation of people who refuse t...Clarissa's condemnation of people who refuse to embrace liberal modernity reminds me of druggies who condemn people who refuse to embrace drugs. Those who refuse are always said to be motivated by fear, never by disgust, and fear is always equated with cowardice. I fell for this sort of shaming language many years ago, much to my regret; but I did at least learn, eventually, to recognize and resist manipulation through shaming language. In the case of people who resist modernity, fear is simply rational anticipation of destruction of something they love. There's nothing shameful about that.JMSmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56881601902193175332011-01-11T23:19:13.398+11:002011-01-11T23:19:13.398+11:00No communication is possible with the likes of Cla...No communication is possible with the likes of Clarissa. She's walking collateral damage. May she live to see her revolution crushed.Van Wijknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-6457425311960931242011-01-11T21:57:19.268+11:002011-01-11T21:57:19.268+11:00I still don't fathom why the lefties, who alwa...I still don't fathom why the lefties, who always assume the moral high ground, find a (conservative) political worm in every bad apple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com