tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post5926143994918033313..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Hymowitz II: Why are men so angry?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35734345109386791192014-05-31T18:53:58.039+10:002014-05-31T18:53:58.039+10:00Anon,
As a male arts graduate myself, I hear you ...Anon,<br /><br />As a male arts graduate myself, I hear you on this one. My background is more upper middle-class, but even for me the competition from highly career charged, well-connected young women made things much tougher than for previous generations of men in my position. <br /><br />The only advice I can give you is to stick at it, as a lot of women eventually scale back their career commitments, which then not only opens up positions but also scales down female earnings.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24309168208728761142014-05-31T16:00:15.115+10:002014-05-31T16:00:15.115+10:00"Her reposte was still quite snarky and, to b..."Her reposte was still quite snarky and, to be honest, not really addressing some of the main reasons young men are *angry* at women. Hint: it has nothing much at all to do with women's degrees or earnings."<br /><br />Not sure about the importance of the earnings/jobs issue, it's complex. If you're a guy who is directly competing with women in the workforce it is an issue. The average male engineering graduate doesn't have to worry about his librarian girlfriend making more money than he does, but the average male arts graduate who could get a reasonable job 30 years now has to compete for jobs against thousands of similarly qualified women. Usually this means that lower middle class males (like me) will lose out to upper middle class women with slightly higher IQs and better social connections.<br /><br />I don't particularly have a problem attracting women (provided I keep my un-pc mouth closed) but as I get older I'm finding my low income status is making me increasingly unattractive boyfriend material for most women of a similar IQ/ social status.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46930303594629279812011-04-13T07:18:12.287+10:002011-04-13T07:18:12.287+10:00I think Helen Smith raises some great points about...I think Helen Smith raises some great points about that state of marriage for men as a whole. The author of this blog takes more time to criticize her for inconsistencies on “individualism” and perhaps she’s right. However I doubt that Ms. Smith really wanted to dwell on the concept that individualism is a two-way street, but rather was using it to point out that men are entitled to, and should, participate in it. <br /><br />The more revealing questions were pointed out earlier. So what do women, or society as a whole, have to offer men who do “man up?” Sounds as though Hymowitz’ message to men is simple, “Stop watching sports, put down that video game controller, stop playing paint ball and go become some woman’s full service acolyte you lazy non-committing bums.” Never mind that you’re successful at your job and have lots of friends, your value and manhood will solely be judged by weather or not you can maintain a relationship with a woman. How incredibly idiotic! In other words, manning up is just another way of saying to men that society has no method or desire to solve the current inequities in the family court system, but rather insists that men just willingly submit to abuse. Does Hymowitz believe this to be fair? If so, then there isn’t a “man” problem here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-60693372480134568942011-03-08T19:23:04.102+11:002011-03-08T19:23:04.102+11:00Getting rid of the evil no-fault divorce laws woul...Getting rid of the evil no-fault divorce laws would go a very long way to fixing much of the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28402197693103038752011-02-28T16:03:30.364+11:002011-02-28T16:03:30.364+11:00According to Glenn Reynolds(Instapundit),Helen Smi...According to Glenn Reynolds(Instapundit),Helen Smith lived-with(serial-fuc_ing) two men before settling/marrying with himself.Also,at what point will you admit that most women are feminists?How high do you intend to build this pedestal to "real" women?Blue Blazernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-70835583482846135132011-02-28T11:30:14.712+11:002011-02-28T11:30:14.712+11:00Simon,
You're talking basic common sense.Simon,<br /><br />You're talking basic common sense.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33604288945161402572011-02-27T18:48:05.894+11:002011-02-27T18:48:05.894+11:00I think one can both (a) value both men and women ...I think one can both (a) value both men and women as individuals and (b) value them as part of society. What we need is for a balance which cherishes both the individual per se and their contribution to the group, rather than ignoring (b) and making (a) the only thing that matters.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22561596225037859772011-02-26T17:43:00.367+11:002011-02-26T17:43:00.367+11:00"on the other hand, there were less confident..."on the other hand, there were less confident girls who had gone completely the other way, as if in reaction, and who didn't attempt any kind of sex appeal, who were very quiet, who were not at all forward, who dressed in a rather plain, nondescript way and who were very difficult to communicate with."<br /><br />Kind of like me except I don't just dress in plain clothes and quiet but not too quiet (they just call me calm). Sometimes I have a short temper and lose it thought.<br /><br />"They lacked what might be called "expressive femininity" - which made getting to the point of initial attraction very difficult. I used to think to myself "Why can't girls flirt anymore?"<br /><br />You are definitely describing my sister. She's an expressive femininity whereas I'm a calm femininity with points where I lose my temper LOL.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82552665032301829742011-02-26T10:44:15.875+11:002011-02-26T10:44:15.875+11:00Laarii,
I don't know if this is relevant to c...Laarii,<br /><br />I don't know if this is relevant to current dating circumstances or not, but when I was trying to meet women back in the 1990s I seemed to have a choice of "out there" modern girls who made an effort to appeal to men but who were selecting the jerks/alphas/thugs and who tended to put men like myself off with their ladette behaviour and, on the other hand, there were less confident girls who had gone completely the other way, as if in reaction, and who didn't attempt any kind of sex appeal, who were very quiet, who were not at all forward, who dressed in a rather plain, nondescript way and who were very difficult to communicate with. They lacked what might be called "expressive femininity" - which made getting to the point of initial attraction very difficult. I used to think to myself "Why can't girls flirt anymore?"<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with a single girl in her mid 20s who is seeking a husband attempting to be a bit pretty/sexy/flirty to get to the point of initial attraction. It doesn't have to be forced or over the top. It's not as if a girl at university has to show up in full 1950s style glamour, but even if she does wear the obligatory jeans, she could still put on a bit of light make-up, wear some jewellery etc. Flirting can just mean much smiling, twirling of hair, light touching of the arm. <br /><br />But maybe the issues are much different now. I like to try to keep up with what's happening to relationships and dating, so if there are more specific problems you've identified laarii I'd be interested to hear them.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47297351294733996342011-02-26T08:07:10.107+11:002011-02-26T08:07:10.107+11:00Mark said,
"Yes, but maintaining alpha statu...Mark said,<br /><br />"Yes, but maintaining alpha status in your wife's eyes can be easier if your marriage develops well over time."<br /><br />Its true that traditional women are generally more forgiving.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-50599354807492130352011-02-26T07:55:39.684+11:002011-02-26T07:55:39.684+11:00Anonymous at 12:07am said.
"The same that we...Anonymous at 12:07am said.<br /><br />"The same that we get for stepping out into traffic to save a child. A clean conscience."<br /><br />That's not a bad answer. I also think you have to be social and meet people. If a girl is too "easy" that can be disquieting and if too "aloof" that can be tiring. I will say to larriii that you have to keep at it, also that meeting people at church can't be a bad way to go.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38002845441768247662011-02-26T02:34:10.302+11:002011-02-26T02:34:10.302+11:00Even Roissy has had his use but it's only at t...<i>Even Roissy has had his use but it's only at the beginning</i><br /><br />Roissy's blog is apparently mentioned by name in Hymowitz's book. It's become a cultural force in its own right, despite how people like Denise Romano tried to shut it down.knightblasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042581488365314771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89566954345317192282011-02-26T02:22:13.806+11:002011-02-26T02:22:13.806+11:00Laariii, what exactly are you looking for in a pot...Laariii, what exactly are you looking for in a potential husband? Could it be that your standards are too high and you aren't willing to settle?<br /><br />Also keep in mind that finding a good spouse requires a lot of time and effort. If you just stay home waiting for your prince on the white horse you'll have a pretty good chance of staying single all your life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-42742669836760669812011-02-26T02:11:40.231+11:002011-02-26T02:11:40.231+11:00"Its not an easy situation and I'm not to..."Its not an easy situation and I'm not totally sure what the answer is."<br /><br />Yes it's not easy and we have to start step by step and not back down from confrontations I think.<br /><br />"What reward have i gotten for not being a slag? For going to church & learning to cook & improving my mind? For being nice to men & trying to have relationships with "nice guys" & ignoring the "bad boys"? None at all."<br /><br />Laariii have you tried internet dating? (Reputable/Good) Christian dating websites?Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-11332508424989306072011-02-26T00:07:08.627+11:002011-02-26T00:07:08.627+11:00"What reward have i gotten for not being a sl..."What reward have i gotten for not being a slag? For going to church & learning to cook & improving my mind? For being nice to men & trying to have relationships with "nice guys" & ignoring the "bad boys"? None at all."<br /><br />The same that we get for stepping out into traffic to save a child. A clean conscience.<br /><br />If more women were like you, you would have the reward of a loving husband and a family to boot. You will understand the fact that we are loathe to gamble with 50-75% of our lifetime earnings in a society that celebrates our destruction. It is unfortunate,yes,but that's life. Sometimes the only reward for our good deeds is knowing we have helped good to flourish in an evil world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82194490661283851512011-02-26T00:01:18.209+11:002011-02-26T00:01:18.209+11:00""Where have the good men gone?"
...""Where have the good men gone?" <br /><br />She has noticed that young men are angry:"<br /><br />REALLY?<br /><br />I know they are faking their inability to understand "where the anger comes from", but allow me, as a man, to point it out once more for you. Now listen real hard ladies, and don't try to rationalize your culpability away.<br /><br />How exactly would you feel if every day you saw an article called "Where have all the hot women gone?" that called "90% of women obese, sedentary,good-for-nothing cows"?<br /><br />Don't try to rationalize. Yes, the articles about men written by women ARE exactly like that. Condescending,demeaning,sexist. And we are TIRED of it.<br /><br />THAT'S the reason for the anger. We've said this over and over.<br /><br />Every time we do, you call us "whiners" and then go back to pretending we haven't told you why we're angry a million times, then you call us "whiners" again when we explain to you, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, "why we're angry". THAT'S WHERE " the anger is coming from". So shut up and LISTEN. <br /><br />And then can the sexist garbage or we will be coming for you.You won't have a soapbox to peddle your misandry from, we will take your job, your house, your entire livelihood.<br /><br />YES. We are angry. YES, we have every right to be. And NO,we won't settle for anything less than a complete acknowledgement of your understanding of our stated complaints, your complicity in them,and then your offer to help us in implementing REAL SOLUTIONS to the mess that you have made for us. Anything less is an even greater insult than the ones you peddle about us and to us on a daily basis.<br /><br />STOP THE MISANDRY NOW OR PAY THE PRICE,those angry men you have tortured,robbed,mocked and derided will be coming for you and the ol' "but I'm just a woman" ploy won't be of much use, after all it was YOU who said you're equal.<br /><br />The age of feminism is OVER. A new age of men is coming. Decide now which list you will be on when we come to power. The one that says "friend" or the one that says "enemy". <br /><br />Because I can tell you this, the jerk-off fantasies of feminists vis a vis patriarchal oppression won't even be close to what we have in store for them. They will be fleeing to Afghanistan to seek a more feminist-friendly environment than the one we will build for them in the West.<br /><br />We have begged you, we have pleaded with you, we have appealed to your morals, your human decency to no avail. We have tried to explain the source of our pain to you and you have minimized,rationalized, deflected for fifty years. We are tired of your bargains, your crocodile tears, we are coming for your blood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33481164977056996612011-02-25T22:48:50.903+11:002011-02-25T22:48:50.903+11:00you also have to be your girls alpha to a degree t...<i>you also have to be your girls alpha to a degree too to keep her interested.</i><br /><br />Yes, but maintaining alpha status in your wife's eyes can be easier if your marriage develops well over time. <br /><br />It's not like the kinds of scenarios that PUAs describe in which you get one move wrong and you're dismissed from view.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71037234490037615222011-02-25T22:25:00.184+11:002011-02-25T22:25:00.184+11:00If its any consolation to the many angry men out t...If its any consolation to the many angry men out there being a "good girl" gets you no where either.<br /><br />I haven't ridden the "cock carosel" & it's annoying that people seem to think that if you are a woman over 25 & single it must be because your a slag or workaholic.<br /><br />What reward have i gotten for not being a slag? For going to church & learning to cook & improving my mind? For being nice to men & trying to have relationships with "nice guys" & ignoring the "bad boys"? None at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18597454808706321392011-02-25T21:58:08.023+11:002011-02-25T21:58:08.023+11:00Elizabeth,
Its not an easy situation and I'm ...Elizabeth,<br /><br />Its not an easy situation and I'm not totally sure what the answer is. You need to find someone who is willing to reject substantial parts of liberalism or consider it destructive, you also have to be your girls alpha to a degree too to keep her interested.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14408182764288596992011-02-25T19:50:03.958+11:002011-02-25T19:50:03.958+11:00"If they act in a masculine way in relation t..."If they act in a masculine way in relation to women they will feel like men."<br /><br />Yes but what happens if the woman refuses, opposes or rebels? Look at this woman --- http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2011/02/why-has-this-wife-rebelled/<br /><br />My advice would be for men not only to reject liberalism but to seek women who do it as well. It's no use if one gender does and the other doesn't. Will you use despicable Roissy tactics? Only if you know for sure at her heart the woman can be turned away from left-liberalism or right-liberalism.<br /><br />Even Roissy has had his use but it's only at the beginning --- http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/015828.htmlElizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18620575254548923452011-02-25T15:50:56.653+11:002011-02-25T15:50:56.653+11:00The solution I think in part will come if young me...The solution I think in part will come if young men are taught not to bow to feminist pieties.<br /><br />If they act in a masculine way in relation to women they will feel like men.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-50900178504471677602011-02-25T15:33:21.519+11:002011-02-25T15:33:21.519+11:00There's no point in being too angry you'd ...There's no point in being too angry you'd just get diagnosed as anti social or psychopathic.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-48044193713147992052011-02-25T13:53:11.696+11:002011-02-25T13:53:11.696+11:00Maybe the problem is that Hymowitz hasn't seen...Maybe the problem is that Hymowitz hasn't seen us angry enough.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71945182118925293312011-02-25T12:15:14.142+11:002011-02-25T12:15:14.142+11:00Ms. Hymowitz shouldn't urinate down my back an...<b>Ms. Hymowitz shouldn't urinate down my back and then try to tell me that it's raining.</b><br /><br />You got THAT right!MarkyMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710045100037253902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56526583047193497512011-02-25T04:56:27.673+11:002011-02-25T04:56:27.673+11:00[2 of 2]
By way of a quick “plug”, this guy, Badge...[2 of 2]<br />By way of a quick “plug”, this guy, <i>Badger</i>, has a compelling take on Hymowitz’s response as well:<br /><a href="http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/kay-hymowitz-round-two/" rel="nofollow">Kay Hymowitz, Round Two</a>slwernerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13293327533235793560noreply@blogger.com