tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post5594076164246787408..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Tim Colebatch: why can't we keep the public out of it?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-88538718417742772812010-07-28T12:39:46.641+10:002010-07-28T12:39:46.641+10:00That really is how they think, the issues they don...That really is how they think, the issues they don't want to talk about should not be talked about, and screw the plebs.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-80266935023040368112010-07-28T11:34:45.983+10:002010-07-28T11:34:45.983+10:00Brilliant post.
That arithmetic comes from:
Sarge...Brilliant post.<br /><br />That arithmetic comes from:<br />Sargent, T and Wallace, N (1981), 'Some unpleasant monetarist arithmetic'<br /><br />http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/FF/2010/McCulley+June+Some+Unpleasant+Keynesian-Minsky+Logic.htmNikohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18088922267969063262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-69919699032631987392010-07-28T11:21:03.274+10:002010-07-28T11:21:03.274+10:00Well I basically agree with anonymous and think Ho...Well I basically agree with anonymous and think Howard is a treasonous traitor (at the least VERY naive on immigration)...BUT....like Jesse said....the past is the past is the past....<br /><br />I think that if we (well u ozzies) just keep harping and harping....being pro-Pauline Hanson, screeching and screeching you can move the liberals RightWard....<br /><br />And part of moving the Libs rightward requires.....<br /><br />...if you live in an Area like Mark said that has an independent candidate or something who is on the same page as us....Give your vote to them. Forget this bullshit of "well then labor will get in and things will get worse"<br /><br />That's a bullshit American Scare Tactic Imported to Australia.<br /><br />That's what the Libs want you to think. But guess what...if they can't do the job they are going to get unemployed! <br /><br />If labor wins at least it sends a big f-ing message to the Libs who now have a bunch of unemployed people. <br /><br />Here in the US I didn't vote for Republicans (but I live in CA so my vote doesn't count) and gave my vote to a third party. At least I have a clear conscious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21048749427290166612010-07-28T07:40:03.306+10:002010-07-28T07:40:03.306+10:00If you live in NSW you could give your first prefe...If you live in NSW you could give your first preference in the Senate to independents Mark O'Connor and William Bourke.<br /><br />They're from the Stable Population Party of Australia. They are <i>not</i> traditionalist conservatives, but seem to be moderate liberal types concerned about quality of life issues relating to immigration.<br /><br />They want immigration reduced to 50,000 to 80,000 per annum. <br /><br />From candidate William Bourke:<br /><br /><i>Australia is desperately in need of democracy to stop the bi-partisan policies of extreme population growth that are causing or exacerbating most of our major economic, environmental and social problems.</i>Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46542357267878744862010-07-28T06:41:23.577+10:002010-07-28T06:41:23.577+10:00It has always seemed to me that part of the proble...It has always seemed to me that part of the problem with "democracy" in The Rest Of The World is the parliamentary system of government in contrast to the (for lack of better term) congressional system of the US.<br /><br />And then, what does the idiotic US government do when it sets up a new regime (a la Germany, Japan, Iraq, etc)? It sets up another damned Parliament-and-PM!<br /><br />The Anglosphere nations with parliaments just barely have both stable and (mostly) non-oppressive government. The ROTW can’t seem to manage even that.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20834998825664335512010-07-28T02:07:17.123+10:002010-07-28T02:07:17.123+10:00You're not wrong Anonymous. Its very hard to d...You're not wrong Anonymous. Its very hard to defend Howard on this. The irony is that in my opinion the heat in the asylum seeker issue was from public opposition to immigration. <br /><br />The question still is I think not why immigration is an issue, but why it isn’t more of an issue.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1850468382836757612010-07-28T01:17:28.849+10:002010-07-28T01:17:28.849+10:00Jesse, like you I was a rusted on Liberal voter si...Jesse, like you I was a rusted on Liberal voter since I first came of age. Even now I've never voted anything else in my life. But after seeing what 12 years of Liberal government has done to Melbourne where I live, I will never vote Liberal again.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I don't hate JWH, not at all. In fact I am very often berating (and baiting) the real Howard-haters on other forums like The Age. They cheese me off like there's no tomorrow. I also like the fact that he sided with Keith Windshuttle in the history wars. <br /><br />However, what I do intensely resent is the fact that he pretended to be tough on border protection to get the battlers' votes in the marginals, while flinging the front doors wide open without actually even bothering to seek the consent of the Australian people. He dudded us.<br /><br />Now you can expect that sort of rubbish from a mob of pathetic Marxists like Labor. But coming from the Libs - it really galls. And unlike other kinds of mistakes that governments make from time to time, mass-immigration is irreversible. What Howard (and all the pollies) are busy doing is changing us from an essentially European country to an Asian one. All so that their mates in big business can fatten their wallets.<br />If they are going to make such an enormous change to my identity and to my country without even asking I think I have a right to be just a teensy bit annoyed with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55062652290228364082010-07-28T00:37:33.748+10:002010-07-28T00:37:33.748+10:00Hesper said,
"but contrary to Colebatch'...Hesper said,<br /><br />"but contrary to Colebatch's mythological comparisons, Greek, Italian, Dutch, German and Maltese immigration under Menzies was never so high as to threaten the predominance of Anglo-Irish blood constituting the nation's font of origin."<br /><br />Here, here. Also all those communities were European.<br /><br />Anonymous said,<br /><br />"Bob Carr pointed out recently ..." Stuff him, he's just trying to move the blame from himself and get away from the current shellacking he's getting for letting infrastructure slide. State Labor have been terrible, talk about a guy who's all talk.<br /><br />"Please people. Don't vote for more mass-immigration. Vote informal..."<br /><br />No, voting informal is no vote at all. The only message you're sending then is that you don't matter. I stand again for the Libs and say that they are the most ideologically inclined to stop the migration (I'll use that now I'm tired of saying the word immigration). A vote for a party isn’t carte blanche and you can use your vote to provide pressure too. Whether you vote minor party or not you still have to preference the major parties, worst system apart from all the others ... <br /><br />Final thought, Howard doubled immigration in the hope that nobody would notice. How big do you think immigration/migration (blah) would have been if we had 12 straight years of Labor? <br /><br />I am tired of the Howard bashing. He's not an arch conservative fine but he’s still conservative in many respects. Judge him compared to Labor and make a decision. Or start your own damn party. If the right criticises Howard and the Left criticises Howard who the hell would ever bother to be conservative? You can't win either way can you. <br /><br />Australian's Against Further Immigration was mentioned in the last thread. Its clearly time that came online. I can just see how the first meeting would go though, "I'd just like to blame Howard ..." Seriously men its pretty pathetic.<br /><br />You live in the world that is. We live in an industrial/post industrial society, the majority of us don't live on a ranch in the outback. Major parties will reflect the politics of the people. If people cared more about immigration then it would have been an issue sooner. They do care enough though so the happy anti people consensuses upstairs can only last so long. <br /><br />I do appreciate reading your posts though Anon.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-32905351028303466022010-07-27T23:43:02.835+10:002010-07-27T23:43:02.835+10:00The great tragedy of Australian democracy is that ...The great tragedy of Australian democracy is that the political elites have successfully managed to remove the issue of mass-immigration from the agenda for so long. Now the public is at last waking up.<br /><br />Bob Carr pointed out recently, that John Howard doubled the size of the intake from 2000-2007 and hoped that no-one would notice. Phoney Tony is now promising to pare it back to what would still be record high levels.<br /><br />As for Labor, they are so hopelessly compromised by vested interests they would never dream of putting the brakes on. They are all, pretty much without exception, "Big Australia" men and women.<br /><br />Next time you hear a colleague, family member or friend complain about how mass-immigration is making life worse in Australia, remind them that - if they voted Liberal or Labor - they have no-one to blame but themselves.<br /><br />Please people. Don't vote for more mass-immigration. Vote informal; vote for any number of other smaller parties with sensible population policies. Put the parties that are doing the most damage - Liberal and Labor - last on your ballot. Send them a message that the Australian people won't be silenced any longer on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-42236006411119226742010-07-27T23:36:00.772+10:002010-07-27T23:36:00.772+10:00Pardon for being a pain with these too frequent co...Pardon for being a pain with these too frequent comments, but contrary to Colebatch's mythological comparisons, Greek, Italian, Dutch, German and Maltese immigration under Menzies was never so high as to threaten the predominance of Anglo-Irish blood constituting the nation's font of origin.<br /><br />Chinese and Indian migrants alone now occupy a place beside the biggest three, of Britain, Germany and Italy, for the countries of heritage for 'Australian' citizens.Hespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-90569077369566786992010-07-27T23:27:24.637+10:002010-07-27T23:27:24.637+10:00Finally, I can't refrain from attempting to di...Finally, I can't refrain from attempting to dislodge this persistent fallacy which Colebatch accepts.<br /><br />The sign of a country being in peaceful and opulent condition is an increase in the native birth rate and the prosperity of families, particularly rural and suburban.<br /><br />This is seen, for instance, in the splendid growth of farmsteads and therefore larger litters of children amongst Italic peoples moving from the Bronze to Iron Ages.<br /><br />A country's population growing by innumerable and prolific outsiders, which Colebatch applauds, is a sign of a weak government and crumbling native society. Where does Australia fall?Hespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75378987425968610762010-07-27T23:23:46.282+10:002010-07-27T23:23:46.282+10:00Hesper said,
"Who will rally together in Aus...Hesper said,<br /><br />"Who will rally together in Australia?"<br /><br />We need to restore a sense of community in our society. If you feel connected to your community, and care about it, you won't sign on for this. Its only passive consumers and isolated individuals who feel they have to go along with everything. Active community members I would say are also happier and more productive.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27387204674448373292010-07-27T23:19:49.171+10:002010-07-27T23:19:49.171+10:00Yes, its important to pick away at this issue. The...Yes, its important to pick away at this issue. The idea that its a magic economic bullet is ridiculous. A policy of desperation really.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15910532958648338572010-07-27T23:19:22.341+10:002010-07-27T23:19:22.341+10:00The Japanese example is useful but delusive. Aside...The Japanese example is useful but delusive. Aside from a small detachment of Korean and Chinese specialist workers, and the descendants of half-caste Japanese-Korean children from an intermarriage and bastardy experiment a century ago (all those peoles are still unmixed amongst the general Japanese populace), Japan remains over 98% Japanese.<br /><br /><br />When affairs do founder in that country, the people, as a large and homogeneous family, can decrease the strength of the inevitable riots, famines and fear. Who will rally together in Australia?<br /><br />Also, Mr McCran is blunt and honest - an exceeding rarity in the Australian press.Hespernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-41094830135402328592010-07-27T23:12:58.256+10:002010-07-27T23:12:58.256+10:00Yes, there have been a number of well-written arti...Yes, there have been a number of well-written articles in the mainstream media questioning the extent of mass immigration and subsequent population growth.<br /><br />It shows how important it is to have some alternative voices within the political class.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-64435611622868669092010-07-27T23:09:51.519+10:002010-07-27T23:09:51.519+10:00Excellent mainstream opinion is starting to reflec...Excellent mainstream opinion is starting to reflect the weaknesses of the migration expansion.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.com