tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post5268966127979274479..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: If we do well it's discrimination. But if we're left out we've been outclassed.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-74324118585736736672010-05-30T20:49:40.522+10:002010-05-30T20:49:40.522+10:00America still has a chance to turn things around, ...America still has a chance to turn things around, as does Oz, Ireland, and a few other countries.<br /><br />But I nearly cried when I arrived at the Munich airport on Friday morning. Everyone here is so old. It's a giant retirement community. Gray hair as far as the eye can see. It's quite shocking when you've been gone for a while.<br /><br />Germany is lost already, I think. Now it's just about keeping things going for as long as possible. We were out walking yesterday in town, and most of the younger people were brown, and the older people were white. Even many of the German men were with foreign wives, as the German women don't "do babies" anymore. My husband said, "Wow. I've never seen so many head scarves in one place before."<br /><br />Welcome to the future. It is so depressing to see this unfold.Alte2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-41952734673598772582010-05-30T20:43:21.422+10:002010-05-30T20:43:21.422+10:00Alte2 is the same as Alte. My Alte posts haven'...Alte2 is the same as Alte. My Alte posts haven't been showing up, for some reason.<br /><br /><em>Australia has embarked on a course that will see this country become a predominately Asian nation within the next century without ever having had a proper public debate about whether we wanted to radically change our historic European-based society into an Asian one.</em><br /><br />Then make more babies. Seriously. Nature abhors a vacuum. It is darned near impossible to have such prime real estate empty of people and turn into a veritable old-folks home without the poorer, younger neighbors noticing. All European-dominated countries have this same problem.<br /><br />Either you reproduce or someone else will, and you will be overrun. That is the simple lesson from history.<br /><br />I'm in Germany right now, and the news and discussion are filled with frustration on this very subject. But they can't even consider getting rid of the foreigners, as long as the native population is halving in size every 50 years. The discussion won't turn until there is a viable alternative present. If not brown babies, than white ones. If white people don't want to have children (and they mostly <em>don't</em>, at least more than one per couple), then what is your alternative to immigration?<br /><br />I can empathize with the German's frustration, as I am a German citizen and it makes me quite sad to see Germany overrun with foreigners who are unwilling to integrate, as it is changing the culture rapidly. But one must be realistic and understand what one must do to turn things around, otherwise it's just pointless whining.<br /><br />Without a return to religion and procreation, nothing will change about the situation. Nothing at all. We will face genteel decline.<br /><br />Quixotic is an understatement.Alte2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-22330701040871167792010-05-30T00:05:03.808+10:002010-05-30T00:05:03.808+10:00AUSTRALIANS are not alone whenever the question ar...AUSTRALIANS are not alone whenever the question arises in leveling the playing field within employment circles.<br /><br />Make no mistake, the purpose is to level white males in their own respective countries, despite the fact that Whites represent a mere 8 percent of the world's population.<br /><br />Here in Canada, we had a similar circumstance that resembled this fire brigade story, but the focus was more on recently-arrived racial minorities. The story <a href="http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/white-males-under-attack-again/" rel="nofollow"><b>HERE</b></a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-20723999073644312892010-05-29T11:56:11.410+10:002010-05-29T11:56:11.410+10:00Unfortunately Anglo-Australian students in general...Unfortunately Anglo-Australian students in general just aren't that bright :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-50164077195224668182010-05-29T04:04:50.159+10:002010-05-29T04:04:50.159+10:00I would suggest it has more to do with Australia&#...<i>I would suggest it has more to do with Australia's immigration policies.</i>.<br /><br />But we're not meant to question immigration policy here in Australia. Instead, we are meant to merely resign ourselves to an ever-increasing number of unassimilable immigrants arriving on our shores every year.<br /><br />Australia has embarked on a course that will see this country become a predominately Asian nation within the next century without ever having had a proper public debate about whether we wanted to radically change our historic European-based society into an Asian one.<br /><br />Pauline Hanson warned in the 1990s that Australia was in danger of being swamped by Asians. A decade earlier, Geoffrey Blainey had made a similar warning, albeit in a far more intellectual, restrained and polite manner. Both were shouted down and hounded.<br /><br />They were merely "scaremongers", their critics claimed. Australia would not be "swamped," we were assured. Our nation's ethnic and cultural makeup would not be radically altered. Australia would not be transformed beyond recogition. Australia as we knew it then was safe. Only "racists" would argue otherwise.<br /><br />Now, the exact same people are saying that yes, mass non-European immigration in recent decades has changed our nation forever. It’s good, and it’s anyway too late to do anything about it, so get used to it! <br /><br />It's like exposing a healthy man to a virus (or a multitude of viruses), arguing that his immunity system is strong enough to resist. Then, when the man gets ill and finally dies (which was predictable all the way), they say that it was written in his fate - besides, what is so wrong about death, isn't it natural?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5050308351758377762010-05-29T03:16:37.986+10:002010-05-29T03:16:37.986+10:00"Asians are almost certainly more able academ..."Asians are almost certainly more able academically, but so what?"<br /><br />Yet it has been Europeans, not Asians, who have made the greatest intellectual, technological, scientific and economic advances of the modern age. <br /><br />In fact, Europeans have been behind nearly <i>all</i> the intellectual, technological, scientific and economic advances of the modern age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-40055551035562518192010-05-28T12:14:12.372+10:002010-05-28T12:14:12.372+10:00Alte2 wrote, "It seemed like you were saying ...Alte2 wrote, "It seemed like you were saying white people should side with other white people in everything, even if they're being wicked or just plain ridiculous."<br /><br />No, not at all: that's total nonsense. To say that is tantamount to saying that there is no such thing as the truth at all. I could only say that such and such is something white people have said, not something that is true before white people were here and after we're gone.<br /><br />But I don't think that's where any of us, including Anon, is coming from.<br /><br />I'm just wary of being the world's whipping boy. And I don't think any race, Red, Black, Yellow or White should have to put up with that. <br /><br />I can appreciate your skepticism, Alte2: looking out for one’s own can become plain old nepotism if loyalty becomes more important than the truth. But I don't believe that, and I don't think anyone here believes that either.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-69360571940429510202010-05-28T11:41:07.139+10:002010-05-28T11:41:07.139+10:00Alte2 (are you the same as Alte), I'm not &quo...Alte2 (are you the same as Alte), I'm not "Anon". I was stating what seemed reasonable, not necessarily what I think Anon meant by her comment. I apologize if my interruption confused things.<br /><br />As for the faith and race thing, well it's just like faith and family, faith and sex or faith and anything else bodily: Christ unites us all regardless of race, sex or class in <b>spirit and in truth</b>. If something's true, it's true for everyone; if the sun shines, it shines on us all, etc. <br /><br />But just because every race, nation, sex, class must follow the same moral law on earth and shall one day face the same Judge, doesn't mean that races, nations, the sexes, classes etc. don't exist or have some function in the meantime. <br /><br />Of course they do. Every father and every mother have specific duties and obligations, but no two mothers or fathers live out those duties or obligations in the same way. <br /><br />Universal diversity: it's a beautiful paradox, don't you think?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-44767635211580161292010-05-28T03:18:47.607+10:002010-05-28T03:18:47.607+10:00I'm against affirmative action on principle, b...I'm against affirmative action on principle, by the way. Regardless of who benefits.Alte2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-39789165498508880862010-05-28T03:17:32.884+10:002010-05-28T03:17:32.884+10:00If you mean the truly devout, then I agree that th...If you mean the truly devout, then I agree that they have a lower-than-average incidence of divorce, which one could use as a proxy for infidelity. But I think we'd still all be surprised.<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with a nation wanting to control it's borders, and limit and define who's allowed into it. That's basic national security, and is one of the few legitimate purposes of a federal government (I'm an American).<br /><br /><em>If, however, the issue is, say mass immigration, I'm afraid I'm more likely to agree with Roissy than the African.</em><br /><br />That was what I was asking, thank you for the clarification. It seemed like you were saying white people should side with other white people in everything, even if they're being wicked or just plain ridiculous.<br /><br />As a black person, I get the same crap from other black people, which is why I was surprised to see a white person say such a thing. It's the old head-in-the-sand trick. It hasn't worked for us, so why should it work for you?<br /><br />As for Christians all having to be white, I can only assume that you were being facetious. Jesus wasn't white, after all.Alte2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25568909351092073972010-05-27T15:25:39.575+10:002010-05-27T15:25:39.575+10:00Oh I only consider white people to be true Christi...Oh I only consider white people to be true Christians. <br /><br />Hey I never said I was nice!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24881655614444393162010-05-27T15:23:59.017+10:002010-05-27T15:23:59.017+10:00Alte...Here in the US I would bet my entire life ...Alte...Here in the US I would bet my entire life savings that practicing, genuine Christians have a very low cheating rate in comparison to other peoples. <br /><br />My christian friends annoy me to no end with some of the naivety on 3rd world country stuff....but they aren't cheaters. Morally they are pretty awesome people. <br /><br />It just goes under the 'insulting ones own' or in some people's case 'insulting christians' assuming said person isn't really white or christian or anglo. <br /><br />I just don't trust people who make jabby little needling comments towards people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24277009184747486872010-05-27T11:51:46.248+10:002010-05-27T11:51:46.248+10:00Alte wrote, "Furthermore, I find it odd that ...Alte wrote, <i>"Furthermore, I find it odd that a purported Christian would take the side of his race rather than with other Christians, regardless of race.<br /><br />Someone like Roissy over an African priest, I take it?"</i><br /><br />Well, it depends on what we're taking sides over, doesn't it? If the question is over Christian doctrine, then yes, I'd be very surprised to find myself agreeing with Roissy.<br /><br />If, however, the issue is, say mass immigration, I'm afraid I'm more likely to agree with Roissy than the African. <br /><br />Think of it this way: can you find a Bible passage to deal definitively with mass immigration? No? Then why would you expect the African Christian to listen to your argument? On what basis?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75231625265606879052010-05-26T22:27:02.407+10:002010-05-26T22:27:02.407+10:00Furthermore, I find it odd that a purported Christ...Furthermore, I find it odd that a <em>purported</em> Christian would take the side of his race rather than with other Christians, regardless of race.<br /><br />Someone like Roissy over an African priest, I take it?Altehttp://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21165840886004675762010-05-26T22:21:41.961+10:002010-05-26T22:21:41.961+10:00at my psychology practice you'd be shocked at ...<em>at my psychology practice you'd be shocked at how many christian wives cheat on their husbands</em><br /><br />Why do you take issue with that statement? You arguably <em>would</em> be shocked.<br /><br />Furthermore, why do you assume that Christians are white? The majority of Christians are no longer white, and the majority of white people are no longer practicing Christians. There's a reason why the West is dying, after all.<br /><br />Most white people are secular libertines or progressives now. Isn't <em>that</em> the root of the problem? The West wouldn't need to import so many people, if the white population was growing, rather than shrinking. But how else will they keep their welfare states going until they can leech every last bit of prosperity out of their countries before they die?Altehttp://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-34018938890662921662010-05-26T19:15:37.385+10:002010-05-26T19:15:37.385+10:00I agree with everything you wrote. I will add tho...I agree with everything you wrote. I will add though that certain groups of people (be it religious or ethnic or racial) are far more prone to liberalism then others. <br /><br />I think I just want to just say don't be too trusting. I have developed a red-alert sensor that goes off when people insult my people too much yet at the same time pretend to be one of them. (aka social pathologist...LOL! I'm not letting up on that post..no anglo-celtic christian would have written that first post sorry!....and I'm still mad at the whole 'at my psychology practice you'd be shocked at how many christian wives cheat on their husbands' post from a few weeks/months ago...sorry no anglo-saxon christian would have written that either)<br /><br />I do truly believe that certain types of people have 'infiltrated' our movements so that's why I'm the way I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15344362111150047902010-05-26T18:36:18.567+10:002010-05-26T18:36:18.567+10:00We do that because it is the ONLY thing we are all...<i>We do that because it is the ONLY thing we are allowed to do in polite society.</i><br /><br />No, if I really believed that something besides liberalism was the underlying problem then I'd criticise it regardless of whether it was considered polite or not to do so.<br /><br />Look, in Australia most young people are Anglo-Celtic heterosexuals. Traditionalism won't get far if we can't attract them. What holds them back is the whole climate of liberalism they've been brought up in. That's the "block" that has to be removed.<br /><br />It's no use saying to them that non-Anglo-Celtic-Euro person X believed in open borders, diversity and multiculturalism if they are influenced by liberalism to believe that these are good and moral things. That'll just make person X sound like a good, progressive person.<br /><br />We have to explain where the belief that open borders, diversity and multiculturalism comes from - that it derives from a specific political philosophy with dubious first principles, which then generate contradictory tenets of belief and which lead on logically to destructive outcomes.<br /><br />We have to go right back to arguing moral purposes.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-85563892906217608472010-05-26T11:17:33.845+10:002010-05-26T11:17:33.845+10:00Are we trying to say private sector workers are se...<em>Are we trying to say private sector workers are selected on merit but public sector appointments are primarily political?</em><br /><br />No, private sector appointments are also becoming political. There are an increasing number of laws covering appointments to boards of governance, for example, to ensure the "adequate representation" of women.Altehttp://traditionalmarriage.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33474031493603200622010-05-26T09:11:11.607+10:002010-05-26T09:11:11.607+10:00"The argument has morphed from something I di..."The argument has morphed from something I disagree with entirely, namely that we shouldn't blame an Anglo/Euro liberal elite because that would be attacking our own"<br /><br /><br />Ok I got upset over social patholigist's General Handed Slander of All People Anglo. Read the post with a snakelike hiss. It's better that way. <br /><br />I think we both agree that stating shit like that goes hand in hand with asian superiority and a bunch of really bad stuff. And people should think twice before mindlessly agree with posts like that.<br /><br />Now...let's move on to criticism of Anglo Elites.<br /><br />I divide this into two categories.<br /><br />The present Anglo-Elites and the past Anglo-Elites.<br /><br />Glenn Beck always says that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who started all this crap. I think that is historically inaccurate and a falsehood. Teddy Roosevelt helped get the 1924 immigration cutoff law enacted. He was a member of a group that was HORRIFIED that anglos would be displaced. Therefore, I believe that Glenn Beck is beating up on an old dead WASP because his jewish media handlers and their white liberal lackeye's won't let him do anything else. Beating up on an old white dead WASP guy is safe. It's accepted. <br /><br />Do you see what liberalism has done? It has caged us into only being able to beat up on old dead white guys. We can't be racist against Obama or Martin Luther King, we can't be anti-lesbian to Elena, we can't be anti-semitic....so what is left?? AHHH! We are however allowed to beat up on our WASP white male ancestors.<br /><br />And that is what I have a problem with. <br /><br />So this whole "Looking to the our past ancestors and finding the seeds of liberalism in their writings" is a form of LIBERALISM. We do that because it is the ONLY thing we are allowed to do in polite society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-69856442385709762572010-05-26T08:23:49.888+10:002010-05-26T08:23:49.888+10:00One further response to those arguing "don...One further response to those arguing "don't criticise other whites".<br /><br />The argument has morphed from something I disagree with entirely, namely that we shouldn't blame an Anglo/Euro liberal elite because that would be attacking our own, to one that I mostly agree with, that as a society we've been conditioned to attack the white rank and file as part of a lazy status seeking.<br /><br />My own brother and sister-in-law do this constantly. They feed their own sense of liberal superiority by sneering at bogans and rednecks who live in the suburbs and countryside.<br /><br />But we have to be careful not to make the "don't fall into the trap of joining in the liberal attacks on rank and file whites" into too much of an idee fixe.<br /><br />First, it's only one aspect of how the liberal order maintains itself. Second, there are times when any ethnic group has to be honest about its shortcomings.<br /><br />The truth is, for instance, that there is a section of the white working class in the UK which is falling behind in terms of education and employment. There is a section of this class as well which is too welfare dependent. It's possible to recognise this truth out of a concern for signs of social decline within your own society rather than as a hostile liberal put down.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14620649710471155452010-05-26T08:09:39.772+10:002010-05-26T08:09:39.772+10:00Yes, this was a good comment from Mike:
Instead o...Yes, this was a good comment from Mike:<br /><br /><i>Instead of rigorous self-criticism over personal actions or weaknesses, todays Protestant westerners criticise themselves and their fellow westerners for not holding fashionably correct social and political values (in a decadent culture its much easier to hold the correct values than act in a correct way</i><br /><br />I made a similar <a href="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-dont-we-have-elite.html" rel="nofollow">point</a> in a post a few years ago:<br /><br /><i>despite the egalitarian idea within liberalism, there is still an elitism in Western societies, but a lazy one based on little more than holding to certain beliefs.<br /><br />A recent example of this kind of lazy elitism is the argument of English columnist, Patrick West, that Australians are "white trash" because we are "some of the most coarse, racist people on earth".<br /><br />West's complaint is not only that we lack refinement, but that we fail to measure up to liberal political belief by having too much ethnic loyalty and therefore being "racist" ...<br /><br />... It is a cheap elitism. To claim it, you don't actually have to be elite in any field or in any aspect of personal character. You simply have to look with disdain on mainstream, working-class culture and hold to liberal, cosmopolitan views.<br /><br />We won't have a true elite until we return to more demanding, non-ideological forms of seeking distinction.</i><br /><br />The post got a reaction from its intended targets over at Larvatus Prodeo which led to <a href="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2007/03/can-it-only-be-politics-or-rugger.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> follow up post on the same theme.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86827250553419542902010-05-26T07:00:14.879+10:002010-05-26T07:00:14.879+10:00If you go to Armenian messageboards they make fun ...If you go to Armenian messageboards they make fun of 'hystanci's' or ex-USSR leather jacket wearing armenians...but the attitude/tone is totally different....It's joking and with love, because they are an extended family.<br /><br />Whites really go after each other on a serious level...."lack of educational ambition" "White trash" "asians are high-achievers and more ambitious" <br /><br />It's very bad for our survival, and it makes us look weak in the eyes of non-whites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-29917861891504025822010-05-26T06:45:57.763+10:002010-05-26T06:45:57.763+10:00This is the anonymous that was posting yesterday.....This is the anonymous that was posting yesterday...<br /><br />Marc said...<br /><br />The general argument here is that the white political class has adopted a damaging political world view. I don't see how it's possible to criticise the white political class for this privately rather than publicly.<br /><br />Are you really suggesting I give Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Kevin Rudd a pass just because they are my coethnics? That might work if it really were true that they were on my side. But the sobering reality is that they are not. They have a vision of how things should be which excludes the preservation of my/our ethnic tradition.<br /><br />----<br /><br />Well see that's the thing. I'm starting to feel like our ethnic elites are treating us like we treat ourselves. I have to use real life examples...I can't think any other way...<br /><br />I know a guy in the army who said upon returning home "I'd rather be around my non-white army buddies then have to live across the street from these worthless white trash types" <br /><br />One of the reasons why this army guy bugs me so much is because he's kinda the perfect guy to get a head job in government 10 years down the road. And look what he does! He insults his own all the time. He doesn't care about the blue collar whites---he despises them for their lack of achievement.<br /><br />So we have fostered this attitude where we insult our own people constantly almost to the point where half of you guys don't even know when you do it. <br /><br />Our elites are us! <br /><br />How upperclass do you have to be to be an elite? I consider the college-educated crowd to be the worse offenders. They hate the lower 'redneck' classes and that hatred is reflected in our immigration policies. Look at HuffingtonPost...They post "Funniest Redneck Wedding Photos"<br /><br />Look at Rudd...he's a total asianphile. I probably walks around his house going "Asians students are so much smarter and wanting to achieve more. I love Asian culture in comparison to those low whites"<br /><br />These people are us!!!<br /><br />Maybe had Rudd or some of these politicians grown up in an environment where they would have had the shit beat out of them for using the term 'white trash' etc etc they would have a bit more respect for their own people. <br /><br />So it starts with what we say. We should tread carefully with blanket statements about our own culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-2619537529387594482010-05-26T05:53:48.900+10:002010-05-26T05:53:48.900+10:00Look at the idiotic grin of those teachers. They w...Look at the idiotic grin of those teachers. They wouldn't be grinning if they were found to be redundant and replaced too, which seems entirely likley over the long run.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75903339287757900572010-05-25T23:44:35.491+10:002010-05-25T23:44:35.491+10:00The general argument here is that the white politi...<i>The general argument here is that the white political class has adopted a damaging political world view.</i><br /><br />The key question is damaging <b>to whom</b>. The white political class is not interested in ethnic solidarity; just the opposite, it wants to use non-whites to crush the white middle and lower classes. It is pointless to argue that they "should" think in terms of their ethnic interests when all they actually care about are their class interests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com