tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post4542127605892501931..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Belgian woman harassed on the streetUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-84491562247570397112012-09-15T10:39:18.243+10:002012-09-15T10:39:18.243+10:00Stop giving excuses, be respectful and start actin...<i>Stop giving excuses, be respectful and start acting like REAL MEN.</i><br />Tell that to the men giving you grief, not the ordinary guy.<br />P.S. I've often observed that women allow the men they're really attracted to, to treat them badly ... and then the final guy she's with, gets to pay for all the sins of the previous men she enjoyed.<br />What's up with that? It's probably a reason why so many marriages break up - sluts couldn't stand being with a man who had better moral fibre than them, since they were always around bad men THAT THEY CHOSE TO BE WITH.P Raynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-83529537672944797292012-09-06T19:15:15.589+10:002012-09-06T19:15:15.589+10:00All of you seem to be missing the point: Harassing...All of you seem to be missing the point: Harassing women on the street is wrong and disgusting. It doesn't matter if she's on what ever street or at whatever hour or wearing nothing at all. IT IS WRONG, shouldn't happen under ANY circumstances. <br /><br />In my book any man (no matter where he comes from) who treats women like that is a poor, ignorant, excuse for a man and should be considered nothing more that trash.<br /><br />Stop giving excuses, be respectful and start acting like REAL MEN. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46287656691628000132012-08-12T06:33:19.226+10:002012-08-12T06:33:19.226+10:00"The physical attraction is what makes the re..."The physical attraction is what makes the relationship erotic rather than friendly."<br /><br />Men and women both have muscles and fat, so the so-called masculine musculature is only a relic of past where men oppressed women without access to gyms, protein shakes and synthetic androgens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-26837164722339072252012-08-10T16:48:59.340+10:002012-08-10T16:48:59.340+10:00Georgina Charlotte, are you a communist as well? F...Georgina Charlotte, are you a communist as well? Feminism is nothing more than the application of the Marxian principle of class warfare to the relations between the sexes.<br /><br /> It was meant to destroy utterly what remained of the family, & has largely accomplished that objective. The imposition of a Communist dictatorship is much easier when the targeted society is composed of isolated individuals who care for no one but themselves, than when it is composed of strong families.<br /><br /> It's like the old fable of the farmer giving his sons a bundle of sticks which they could not break, & then untying the bundle & handing them the sticks one by one, then they could be broken with ease.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14856405407076354472012-08-09T13:41:36.363+10:002012-08-09T13:41:36.363+10:00Probably second wave. I'm young for the secon...Probably second wave. I'm young for the second wave but I already used the term "feminist" to describe myself by the time I was 7 and avidly watched the 70s era feminists whenever they were on TV. That said, I am sure I have some third wave elements as well.Georgina Charlotte/ DHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43747843992487288412012-08-09T01:40:12.701+10:002012-08-09T01:40:12.701+10:00Just checking to see which feminist wave you were ...Just checking to see which feminist wave you were part of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27105959804139353932012-08-08T06:34:11.058+10:002012-08-08T06:34:11.058+10:00Anonymous,
I am 41, smack in the middle of Gen X. ...Anonymous,<br />I am 41, smack in the middle of Gen X. Why do you ask?Georgina Charlotte/ Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24149200856124069122012-08-08T05:19:16.357+10:002012-08-08T05:19:16.357+10:00How old are you Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlot? ...How old are you Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlot? Which generation are you part of?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37050587031378357032012-08-08T01:33:44.231+10:002012-08-08T01:33:44.231+10:00MARK SAYS:
So what is Georgina's complaint? S...MARK SAYS:<br /><br /><i>So what is Georgina's complaint? She seems to believe that women lived for the gratification of others whilst men lived for their own purposes.</i><br /><br />I didn't exactly say that. I think women, like men, have always had their own subjectivity and lived for their own purposes. But I do think women have often been VIEWED as existing primarily for others. This view is enshrined in the Genesis account of woman's creation to be a helpmeet and Paul's interpretation of this account when he said:<br /><br />"And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man. ... for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake."Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1556479106946606842012-08-08T01:08:24.250+10:002012-08-08T01:08:24.250+10:00Ah, I will Kathy!!! I feel really terrible that I ...Ah, I will Kathy!!! I feel really terrible that I lost touch. A lot of things going on, including my husband having an illness in the early part of the year.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-34331454585232865462012-08-07T22:19:58.969+10:002012-08-07T22:19:58.969+10:00Hey DH? I see you are still keeping 'em on the...Hey DH? I see you are still keeping 'em on their toes and ruffling a few feathers.<br /> ;)<br /><br />Drop me a line. I tried emailing you, but it bounced back. <br /><br /> cheers. :DKathy Farrellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532126739204105127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25905021544164894852012-08-07T21:51:03.247+10:002012-08-07T21:51:03.247+10:00I watched only the short version, but from that it...I watched only the short version, but from that it is obvious that this woman is conspicuously out of place in this neighborhood. Looking round on the internet, I see that Anneesseswijk appears to be home to poor immigrants. A beautiful, well-dressed white woman is an anomaly in Anneesseswijk, and seeing her there people naturally wonder what on earth she is doing. They assume, using their faulty immigrant categories, that she is a prostitute, because they cannot imagine why any other type of beautiful, well-dressed, white woman would be in Anneesseswijk.<br /><br />I'm not attempting to excuse the behavior of these louts, but anyone who walks through a neighborhood where he or she appears out of place is going to attract unwanted attention. If I went to a certain part of my town, I would be hit on by prostitutes and drug-dealers. That's the only reason people like me go to that part of town.<br /><br />No doubt an attractive woman can report on cat-calls and wolf-whistles with more authority than I, but to say that American city sidewalks were ever a bedlam of "hoots and hollers" is certainly a fantasy. Sure, it happened. Sometimes it was an expression of good-natured admiration, much like cheering when some stranger makes a great shot on a public basketball court. Feminism and fear of sexual harassment charges have killed off this "cheering," and there are certainly some women who miss it. Sometimes it was vulgar, coarse, and menacing. In my experience (as a male bystander), when it was vulgar, coarse, and menacing, it almost always came from a solitary Black man or low-class white men in a group. The whites were showing off to each other, the Blacks were trying either to frighten the women or to advance a genuine solicitation. As I no longer live in a large city, I can't say what has happened to this sort of harassment. I'd guess nothing.JMSmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47694434220422898292012-08-07T21:07:34.369+10:002012-08-07T21:07:34.369+10:00likely in response to the recognition of women as ...<i>likely in response to the recognition of women as human beings who exist for their own purposes rather than for the gratification of others.</i><br /><br />Well, that's another comment from Georgina that can be teased out.<br /><br />What does it mean to exist for our own purposes? <br /><br />A traditionalist would likely think that our most important purposes are already given to us.<br /><br />These purposes are various: to develop our manhood or womanhood to its full extent; to reproduce ourselves and our tradition through fatherhood and motherhood; to live "righteously" in the sense of living according to right moral conduct; to remain open to the spiritual aspect of life, not only in terms of a church, but in our responsiveness to nature and the arts, in our capacity for love, including romantic love and love for our children and so on.<br /><br />These purposes have always been equally open to men and women. <br /><br />So what is Georgina's complaint? She seems to believe that women lived for the gratification of others whilst men lived for their own purposes.<br /><br />She's wrong. First, men's primary commitments were to their families, just as women's were. Can we really say that men tilled the fields, or worked in factories or mines or offices, because they one day decided that these were their own ideal purposes? <br /><br />Georgina does not give men sufficient credit for how men laboured throughout the centuries for the benefit of their wives and children.<br /><br />Second, when a woman becomes a wife and mother she *is* fulfilling significant purposes of her own. As discussed above, it is not the only possible purpose, but it's hard to deny that there is a bringing to fruition of womanhood in the bearing and nurturing of children.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-48734771143012878342012-08-07T16:43:43.646+10:002012-08-07T16:43:43.646+10:00Wait, no actually that's exactly what that mea...<i>Wait, no actually that's exactly what that means. The physical distinction between men and women is, according to you, the only distinction between potential friends and potential lovers. Thus, the physical distinction becomes the only possible basis of an erotic attraction. <br /><br />Look, this is simple. Whatever you think is the basis of an erotic relationship, ask yourself, would I look for that in a friend? If the answer is yes, then that can not possibly be the basis of an erotic relationship, otherwise you would be erotically attracted to your friend. Make sense yet?</i><br /><br />The physical attraction is what makes the relationship erotic rather than friendly. But that's not to say that the other person's non-physcial qualities suddenly become irrelevant in a heterosexual relationship. <br /><br />It doesn't follow from my position that people would treat each other like walking penises and vaginas, because again other qualities besides the physical remain in play. It also doesn't follow from anything I've said that men would only be able to relate to women as potential sex partners.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52583642280341137102012-08-07T16:37:00.897+10:002012-08-07T16:37:00.897+10:00Bartholomew,
Now what's this about your havi...Bartholomew, <br /><br /><i>Now what's this about your having been sexually harassed while running only "once or twice" since the 80's? You are aware that at the beginning of this thread, you claimed white men aren't "off the hook" for "sexism" you claimed is nearly as bad as that of the Middle East?<br /><br /><br />You should understand that if you don't retract one of these claims, I'll be forced to conclude you were simply lying.<br /><br />When the comparison is modern white men with modern Middle Eastern men, you push the anti-racist notion that while white men are barely better (if at all). You cite two examples of white "sexism" off-hand, as if the occurrence were an everyday experience and thereby show the relative harmlessness of multiracial immigration.</i><br /><br />First of all, I am not pushing any notion one way or the other about whether "white men" in general are better in this area than Muslim men. <br /><br />In fact, I assume that street harassment is, in fact, less frequent and severe among western people than among Middle Eastern people. I will also go a step further and say that the treatment of women across the board is atrocious in most or all Middle Eastern cultures. I know because I've seen it first hand. <br /><br />But street harassment is still quite prevalent in the west in certain places. I've certainly experienced quite a bit of it, mostly in urban areas. I'm mainly saying that it's not okay to wink at the harassment problems we do have just because it may be worse in other cultures. <br /><br />I don't go running in urban areas. My main point in bringing that up was to show how the harassment has changed over time, likely in response to the recognition of women as human beings who exist for their own purposes rather than for the gratification of others.Georgina Charlotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46337522706434578492012-08-07T14:06:39.224+10:002012-08-07T14:06:39.224+10:00"It is precisely because of the western white..."It is precisely because of the western white man that western women are allowed the freedoms and luxuries they take for granted."<br /><br />But what anyone thinks is this:<br /><br />It's because of feminism that women have all these freedoms, it's because of feminism women can be anything and do anything(though that anything was brought into existence by men, feminism has corrected that), so for example: <br />It's because of feminism<br /><br />"that women have their own athletic interests"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65227502216850057722012-08-07T13:59:46.543+10:002012-08-07T13:59:46.543+10:00"What the hell does he think our women are? &..."What the hell does he think our women are? "<br /><br /><a href="http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2012/07/day-ruined.html" rel="nofollow">mothers of his future children?</a><br /><br />"my mother got hooted and hollered almost every single time she went running. "<br /><br />so she's better looking than you.<br /><br />"because people have more respect now "<br /><br />and even feminists got tired of shouting "grrrl power" and the likes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18426052333534334872012-08-07T13:19:35.735+10:002012-08-07T13:19:35.735+10:00I was thinking about this situation a few months a...I was thinking about this situation a few months ago.<br /><br />It is precisely <i>because</i> of the western white man that western women are allowed the freedoms and luxuries they take for granted.<br />Western males have the restraint and civilised behavior that allows women to for instance wear bikinis in public (I know some will not agree with this being acceptable)<br />I've witnessed women in incredibly conservative and traditional communities gaily walk their suburbs in nothing but a bikini or a transparent "summer" clothes.<br />This is just not an issue in our society (again I know people may disagree but I think there is a difference between swimwear and trashy provocative clothing)<br />If the western male was to disappear from regions of the west then these freedoms and luxuries for western women would also disappear.<br /><br />Western women headed by feminists have won the battle of the sexes against western men and marginalised them. In their place they have invited foreign men who are nothing like their fellow men who they betrayed.<br /><br />Sexual molestation in the street is what western women have been rewarded with for helping replace their men.<br /><br />To the question of whether foreign men know what they are doing. Of course they are making an open attack against western men by sexually dominating western women.<br />Its clearly "we are shafting your women and you can't do anything about it"<br /><br />And its true a western male cannot do anything about it.<br />To even try and defend and offer protection or warnings to our women will get us automatically branded as a neo-nazi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-64110942593060474272012-08-07T12:47:37.141+10:002012-08-07T12:47:37.141+10:00Who's reducing the connection between men and ...<i>Who's reducing the connection between men and women to sex? Certainly not me!</i><br /><br />LOL!!!<br /><br />Sorry, I just came back from the other thread where you made a spectacle of yourself.Jonathan Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958622460101172299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-14057590891375487652012-08-07T12:36:35.875+10:002012-08-07T12:36:35.875+10:00The being human part only works in a society where...The being human part only works in a society where you have not reduced men and women to interchangeable cogs in a machine. We don't live in a utopia where human life is valued, because of continual attack of values and social mores that didn't force people to be subjugated drones.<br /><br />Materialism has led to a callous disregard of a person's worth as a man or a woman. As human beings in your brave new world are reduced to nothing but chattel, by governments, businesses and so on. Perhaps in a utopia, morality and ethics would prevent the feminist daydream from subversion. But we live in the real world. <br /><br />So there's no right to cry about someone's status as a human being when it's been so devalued.<br />Other men would have defended women in the street from such harassment, but now they keep walking. Why should it matter to them even if she's dressed moderately? Because they're taught that protecting women is misogynistic and a form of patriarchy.<br /><br />You're holding onto a utopia Georgina, which I find quite naive for a seasoned lawyer. When you strip away differences as if they're are superficial, you don't get equality. You just erode a man or woman's worth and a human being’s as an individual.A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-67669359850170516702012-08-07T11:50:20.028+10:002012-08-07T11:50:20.028+10:00What the hell does he think our women are? Prostit...<i>What the hell does he think our women are? Prostitutes?</i><br /><br />Unfortunately most modern Western women <i>do</i> act like prostitutes. So I'm not surprised that Third Worlders think this way.Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-53517467218367149102012-08-07T11:47:25.869+10:002012-08-07T11:47:25.869+10:00Georgina wrote,
"Just because the distinctio...Georgina wrote,<br /><br /><i>"Just because the distinction between the sexes is physiological, it doesn't follow that the physiological is the only basis on which members of the opposite can and should connect. Quite the opposite in fact!</i><br /><br />Wait, no actually that's exactly what that means. The physical distinction between men and women is, according to you, the only distinction between potential friends and potential lovers. Thus, the physical distinction becomes the only possible basis of an erotic attraction. <br /><br />Look, this is simple. Whatever you think is the basis of an erotic relationship, ask yourself, would I look for that in a friend? If the answer is yes, then that can not possibly be the basis of an erotic relationship, otherwise you would be erotically attracted to your friend. Make sense yet?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55434907606001316672012-08-07T11:23:27.065+10:002012-08-07T11:23:27.065+10:00Georgina wrote,
I seriously doubt any Middle East...Georgina wrote,<br /><br />I seriously doubt any Middle Eastern man would call a woman "semen receptacle". That's a distinctly materialist view of woman which they simply lack.<br /><br />Now what's this about your having been sexually harassed while running only "once or twice" since the 80's? You are aware that at the beginning of this thread, you claimed white men aren't "off the hook" for "sexism" you claimed is nearly as bad as that of the Middle East?<br /><br /><br />You should understand that if you don't retract one of these claims, I'll be forced to conclude you were simply lying.<br /><br />When the comparison is modern white men with modern Middle Eastern men, you push the anti-racist notion that while white men are barely better (if at all). You cite two examples of white "sexism" off-hand, as if the occurrence were an everyday experience and thereby show the relative harmlessness of multiracial immigration.<br /><br />When the comparison is modern white men with WWII white men, the difference is suddenly so profound that you've only been sexually harassed "once or twice" while running. You downplay modern white men's "sexism" in order to play up WWII men's "sexism" and show the success of feminism.<br /><br />So, which is it, Georgina? Shall we say that modern white men are fully converted feminists and thereby prove the evil sexism of WWII white men by contrast? Or shall we say that modern white men are unrepentant "sexists" and thereby prove the relative harmlessness of modern non-white men by contrast?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-49065668851962692882012-08-07T09:21:18.639+10:002012-08-07T09:21:18.639+10:00Who's reducing the connection between men and ...Who's reducing the connection between men and women to sex? Certainly not me! <br /><br />Just because the distinction between the sexes is physiological, it doesn't follow that the physiological is the only basis on which members of the opposite can and should connect. Quite the opposite in fact!<br /><br />I can't prove it, but I suspect that the rate of street harassment has gone down in the west in the past 30-40 years since the popularization of feminism. For example, when we lived in the states in the '70s, my mother got hooted and hollered almost every single time she went running. But I've been running since the mid-80s and I think I've only had that kind of thing happen to me once or twice. I suspect that it's because people have more respect now than in the past for the fact that women have their own athletic interests and don't just exist for the sexual enjoyment of passersby.Georgina Chalotte/Doomed Harlotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89648170968102865172012-08-07T08:07:58.791+10:002012-08-07T08:07:58.791+10:00And in that multicultural paradise Sweden...
&qu...And in that multicultural paradise Sweden... <br /><br />"A report from organization Save the Children tells of how being a young Swedish girl today means feeling unsafe. The girls are scared of being raped, a possibility that appears very real to them.<br /><br />“It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid, in an interview about another gang rape involving a Swedish girl and immigrant perps. “The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably f**ked before, anyway. But the Arab girl will get problems with her family. For her, being raped is a source of shame. It is important that she retains her virginity until she marries.”“It is far too easy to get a Swedish whore…… girl, I mean;” says Hamid, and laughs over his own choice of words. “Many immigrant boys have Swedish girlfriends when they are teenagers. But when they get married, they get a proper woman from their own culture who has never been with a boy. That’s what I am going to do. I don’t have too much respect for Swedish girls. I guess you can say they get f**ked to pieces.”<br /><br /> The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in one court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents."<br />The New York Times and Sweden: The Dark Side of Paradise http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/new-york-times-and-sweden-dark-side-of.htmlkmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07620856650843941769noreply@blogger.com