tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post3912639390834828361..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: The sluts are revoltingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15300245425227623702015-11-23T21:39:54.801+11:002015-11-23T21:39:54.801+11:00yep all sluts hit the wall sooner or lateryep all sluts hit the wall sooner or laterIm Losthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027429958718228644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-17107143458703533682014-06-11T04:19:03.932+10:002014-06-11T04:19:03.932+10:00Truly, sluts get a bad rap. They've been very...Truly, sluts get a bad rap. They've been very good to me. Of course, non-sluts have also been very good to me.<br />Sex is so tied up with societal structure, instincts, & raw emotions like desire and jealousy, that I doubt full peace and agreement are possible. I'm recommending tolerance & reason & good will. Good luck to us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-39542182898607519032011-05-18T02:42:07.517+10:002011-05-18T02:42:07.517+10:00Georgiana Charlotte's "argument" can...Georgiana Charlotte's "argument" can be boiled down to the following:<br /><br />Women should be free to do anything they want to, and not be responsible for any of the results. Men should be held accountable not only for their own actions, but for the actions of other men they don't even know.<br /><br />Georgiana Charlotte is therefore a feminist, just like the slutwalk crowd. Case closed.<br /><br />Next?Anonymous Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-80017020709680991392011-05-16T22:35:18.042+10:002011-05-16T22:35:18.042+10:00By the way, I consider myself rather conservative ...By the way, I consider myself rather conservative and prudent when it comes to my own safety. Yet I vividly recall occasions when I would have had a bunch of people saying what a moron or a slut I was. <br /><br />There was the time I staggered home alone late at night through the streets and tube stations of London -- about an hour's journey -- after a lounge-lizard like co-worker had repeatedly refilled my glass without me realizing it. Or the time on a date, when I realized after the fact that my shirt had been falling open all night to reveal the sexy bra I was wearing. Or the time I went to school acquaintance's dorm room "to study" only to have him make a pass at me and say, "You didn't think I actually wanted to study, did you?"<br /><br />If I had been raped in any of those circumstances, there would have been a whole chorus of people to criticize my actions and call me a slut. aGeorgina Charlottenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-48696200861245963942011-05-16T22:22:46.150+10:002011-05-16T22:22:46.150+10:00It looks like blogger ate a bunch of my comments (...It looks like blogger ate a bunch of my comments (and responses to my comments). <br /><br />I will respond to the issue of whether I believe there are negative consequences to certain female behaviors. <br /><br />I think that rapists are going to rape, if they have the opportunity, regardless of how women dress or what they do. However, I also believe that there are things a woman does that may make her more vulnerable to being selected by a rapist. Being dead drunk or perhaps even dressing a certain way (though I am not sure what the crime stats say about the latter) means the predator knows that she will be less likely to report the assault and less likely to be believed. This is partly because of the very societal attitudes the Toronto cop was promoting. <br /><br />It is disingenuous to suggest that the Toronto cop was just giving helpful advice. First of all, I have no idea what he means by "dressing like a slut." This is a subjective term. Secondly, the term "slut" is an extremely ugly one that implies hatred and/or moral condemnation. Moral condemnation of rape victims, or potential victims, is outside the scope of the officer's job, is irrelevant to women's safety, and in fact serves to make women less safe. Predators know that a woman acting or dressing a certain way is more vulnerable because if she complains afterwards she will be condemned.<br /><br />The other issue is this: Slutwalkers know that rape is not going to be eradicated. But rapists should not be dictating what women are allowed to do, where they are allowed to go, how they are allowed to dress, and what they are allowed to drink. That's why law abiding folks should support victims when they get raped, rather than tsk-tsking the victim's failure to allow the potential of rape to restrict her freedom. <br /><br />The problem is there is hardly a woman alive -- not your mother (miniskirt era, anyone?), not your sister, not your wife, not your daughter, not your grandmother -- who hasn't crossed the boundary into what you might deem slutty or what a rapist might deem asking for it, at some point or another in her life. Who hasn't flirted a bit, or found herself walking alone in the wrong part of town, or gone out on a date with someone who turned out to be a bit sketchy, or gotten a bit tipsy at a bar or a party, or worn something that turned someone on or unwittingly sent "cues" to some asshat?Georgina Charlottenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59774338608743446012011-05-16T21:00:56.728+10:002011-05-16T21:00:56.728+10:00"When women announce to the world that they a..."<i>When women announce to the world that they are proud to be sluts, then I no longer feel connected to them as part of the society I inhabit.</i>"<br /><br />But this is a "Zeta Male" attitude, is it not? Also, I believe that "slut pride" is a libertarian phenomena, not an essentially leftist one.Kilroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59407671146513004882011-05-16T07:22:21.629+10:002011-05-16T07:22:21.629+10:00No doubt Georgina leaves her car unlocked with the...No doubt Georgina leaves her car unlocked with the keys in it because she has a "right" not to have her car stolen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33342752182808635512011-05-15T17:54:07.208+10:002011-05-15T17:54:07.208+10:00@M Maus
The slut walk reminds us that by labling ...@M Maus<br /><br /><i>The slut walk reminds us that by labling women sluts we allow men who rape a get out of jail free card, ...........become less than men, less than adult, less than responsible and in their minds less criminal.</i><br /><br />Let's drop the namby pamby New Age psychobabble.<br /><br />Sluttish behavior in no way justifies rape. The two issues are separate to normal people, it's the ideologically warped that can't see the difference.<br /><br />People shouldn't steal, but flaunting your wealth in a high crime area is a sure way to get mugged. The issue here is not about justifying the crime, it's about not making yourself a victim. It's about taking due care of yourself.<br /><br />Sure, in an ideal world people wouldn't kill, steal, assault or burp loudly at the dinner table. Maybe in Marxist namby pamby land, with enough government coercion and torture, all evil could be banished, but I'm afraid its not going to happen in the real world. Therefore people are always going to have to account for the evil in others. Behaving in such a way that does not acknowledge the existence of evil, is naive at best (which the sluts aren't) or moronic. The protests are a demand for others to be just as stupid as the protesters.<br /><br />As I said before the ideology of the slut walk = denial of reality.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5283873590994771812011-05-15T15:21:32.242+10:002011-05-15T15:21:32.242+10:00Mark, it is not THE FEMINISTS job, as if there wer...Mark, it is not THE FEMINISTS job, as if there were one single group, and even if there were it wouldn't be their job, to fight for these measures alone or even at all. Each makes their own choices, imperfectly in an imperfect world. <br /><br />In my personal experience I know of women's groups working in criminal law, family law, mental health and most definitely for many many years domestic violence. <br />Many groups are not politically oriented because they feel that their practical expertise is what is needed not prosletizing. .<br /><br />The issues of dating are a private matter that are beyond the intrusion of any formal organisation, Mark. Australians like to keep the boundaries quite separate between private and public domains. The great dificulty that the law had to criminalise domestic violence for the last 30 years is testimony to the resistance of those boundaries. <br /><br />The pulpit was the last beacon for disseminating the values to daughters - I suppose internet is it's substitute , but it's s bit like SETI ! Martha MausAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56230990124962266662011-05-15T14:57:40.833+10:002011-05-15T14:57:40.833+10:00Of course the Marxist were wrong , SOcial Patholog...Of course the Marxist were wrong , SOcial Pathologist, but the question is useful. We , as a society, will be more powerful when we ALL stand up for our men as full human beings. When we don't accept advertising that belittles men as powerless in the home and jokes that portray men as powerless when faced with a sexual woman. That demeans my husband and my son. I won't accept it. <br /><br />The slut walk is another angle on the same who-whom question?<br /><br />My answer to Lenin's question is that criminals have power as long as we as a society give it to them. My men do not belong to a group of putative criminals (rapists). <br /><br />The slut walk reminds us that by labling women sluts we allow men who rape a get out of jail free card, because then men can have their sexual power taken by the "slut" and the "provocation" , the overcoming of their will allows them to become less than men, less than adult, less than responsible and in their minds less criminal.<br /><br />Martha MausAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12393609479390093732011-05-15T10:09:29.865+10:002011-05-15T10:09:29.865+10:00MCB, thanks for the links. The Bonald post was par...MCB, thanks for the links. The <a href="http://bonald.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/slutwalk-the-enemy-exposed/" rel="nofollow">Bonald post</a> was particularly good.<br /><br />Davout wrote:<br /><br /><i>So Georgina either believes that certain female actions do not have negative consequences for either men or society OR she does not care whether or not the consequences are negative for those other than women.</i><br /><br />My impression is that it's the former. I thought her persuasive writing skills were good, but it was surface level argument - she tended to sidestep discussion about real world consequences.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72624870328998515152011-05-15T10:01:37.299+10:002011-05-15T10:01:37.299+10:00@Anon
Ask yourself Lenin's useful question ab...@Anon<br /><br /><i>Ask yourself Lenin's useful question about the power of the purges: who in the end has power over whom? </i><br /><br />And there's the disease. The structuralist interpretation of reality is wrong. Finding power structures where non exist is a sign of projection and reality denial.<br /><br />Marxist metaphysics = reality denial.The Social Pathologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12927698533626086780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-86218785994226463222011-05-15T09:53:16.077+10:002011-05-15T09:53:16.077+10:00How would feminists respond to my comment?
They ...How would feminists respond to my comment? <br /><br />They will argue that there are cases in which women are attacked even when they are acting prudently - which is, of course, true.<br /><br />Which is really to say that there are no guarantees that we will not become the victim of crime, even if we lessen the chances by not taking unnecessary risks.<br /><br />That doesn't mean we have to be fatalistic about crime as a society. If feminists really do want to protect women from crime they could agitate for some of the following measures:<br /><br />a) maintain psychiatric units which keep the mentally disturbed off the streets<br /><br />b) long jail sentences for the most serious offenders (we had a case here in Melbourne recently where a man killed another man, served just ten years, got out and killed another man and served ten years, got out and then murdered a woman - the lenient treatment led to two unncessary deaths)<br /><br />c) the stability of family life. If you've ever watched the Crime Investigation channel you'll have realised that most of the criminals have highly dysfunctional family backgrounds.<br /><br />d) a culture of dating which leaves women less exposed to crimes motivated by jealousy. The worst of it today is when women think it exciting to date dangerous men, but when things start to go belly up she is met with possessive rage when she attempts to leave. If you look at the stats most intimate partner violence isn't committed by a woman's current partner but by the ex she is trying to leave behind.<br /><br />That's just a few of the options that spring to mind. But I've rarely heard feminists talk about them. The focus of feminists is on the belief that law-abiding men somehow have it in their power to flick a switch and make the criminally minded men respect women.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59369769086086419332011-05-15T09:43:28.199+10:002011-05-15T09:43:28.199+10:00I see that Bonald opposes it (http://bonald.wordpr...I see that Bonald opposes it (http://bonald.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/slutwalk-the-enemy-exposed/)<br /><br />as does Ken Parrish (http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/05/10/slutwalking-is-stupid/).Mercurius Aulicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130901970855873480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-2659987030285353432011-05-15T09:28:14.001+10:002011-05-15T09:28:14.001+10:00Focus on the actor. Focus on the rape, focus on th...<i>Focus on the actor. Focus on the rape, focus on the rapist.</i><br /><br />Conservatives believe in the fallen nature of man. There will always be acts of evil perpetrated amongst us, even in a well-ordered society. The argument of the feminists, that we men can simply tell other men not to rape and all will be well, is a utopian misreading of human nature.<br /><br />A concerned father will advise his daughters (and his sons) how to act prudently to minimise the risk of becoming a victim of crime. He will not send his daughter out in a microskirt late at night to get drunk and wander home alone in the hope that his appeals to criminal men not to rape will finally be heeded.<br /><br />A father who provides advice to his daughters to be prudent is not depriving them of a significant freedom. A woman's life is not ruined if she stays with friends when she is out at night, doesn't get paralytic drunk and dresses stylishly rather than sluttily.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89468514969486121732011-05-15T09:13:22.184+10:002011-05-15T09:13:22.184+10:00Why do you men assign to women the ostensible tota...Why do you men assign to women the ostensible total control over sexuality? Who made the sluts your decision makers, your masters? <br /><br />Why do you not teach that it is wrong for an adult to aborogate their right of control to another?<br /><br />Look deeper. Mark. The focus is wrong. Ask yourself Lenin's useful question about the power of the purges: who in the end has power over whom? Unless you believe men to have less human potential then the answer is obvious. MM<br /><br />Focus on the actor. Focus on the rape, focus on the rapist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-24489788514751791912011-05-15T03:04:30.975+10:002011-05-15T03:04:30.975+10:00Georgina considers a misogynist to be someone who ...Georgina considers a misogynist to be someone who does not affirm female autonomy whereas in reality, the definition of a misogynist is someone who hates women. <br />So Georgina either believes that certain female actions do not have negative consequences for either men or society OR she does not care whether or not the consequences are negative for those other than women.<br />If she believes the former, she is incredibly stupid. If she believes the latter, she is a psychopath.Davouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679094598013542866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12459640155481768502011-05-14T23:15:16.193+10:002011-05-14T23:15:16.193+10:00Mark, can you maybe do an article about the Sydney...Mark, can you maybe do an article about the Sydney Harbour male rights protest? Thanks.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-74651790380860480312011-05-14T15:10:57.642+10:002011-05-14T15:10:57.642+10:00My apologies to those who left comments which have...My apologies to those who left comments which have disappeared. Blogger had an outage. I don't know if the comments are coming back or not.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76957781963026930152011-05-14T15:09:31.770+10:002011-05-14T15:09:31.770+10:00@Georgina
I no longer feel connected to such men...@Georgina <br /><br /><i>I no longer feel connected to such men as part of the society I inhabit.</i> <br /><br />Who cares?<br /><br /><i>However, he is required to do his job without insulting half of his constituency or picking-and-choosing which female victims he deems worthy.</i><br /><br />Idiot logic.<br /><br />What the Toronto police officer pointed out was the truth, and his offense was in reaffirming reality. This "offense" is of the same logic as when a fat women becomes offended when you point out that she is fat. The offense lays in refusing to partake in her world view of reality denial. I'm past the point of caring about the feelings of people who want to live in fantasy land.<br /><br /><i>What is it that matters for such men? It is obviously not beauty or love or family. These men are not motivated by a concern for others or the good of society. Such men want the freedom to shame women without impediment (misogyny).</i><br /><br />Another example of idiot logic. <br /><br />I like women (therefore not a misogynist) and I really don't care what sluts do in their spare time at all. I don't actually want them to get raped even. But pointing out the a woman has a higher risk of sexual assault if she dresses provocatively, and viewing a woman who chooses to do such negatively ,within a cultural context of assuming that individuals have a responsibility for their own safety, is stating an objective fact and not a logical fallacy imbued with malice.<br /><br /><i>What is it that matters for such men? It is obviously not beauty or love or family. These men are not motivated by a concern for others or the good of society. Such men want the freedom to shame women without impediment (misogyny).</i><br /><br />The protests are being driven by sluts who care about what other people think about them, Not men. Sluts don't like the fact that people view them negatively. This is not about men trying to shame sluts, its about sluts being indignant that people don't think exactly like them on the issue. They're trying to make people toe the party line.<br /><br />Stuffed logic, reality denial and Pink totalitarianism, the essence of feminism.The Social Pathologisthttp://socialpathology.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28576504464860635552011-05-14T09:23:11.830+10:002011-05-14T09:23:11.830+10:00For every action there is an equal and opposite re...For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction: for every provocative "slut" there must be a "manimal" with so little control over himself that he rapes.<br /> <br />A man with so little humanity that he is unable to abide by either the self control that characterise an fully adult himan being or the empathy for another's pain that children develop at around 4yo. <br /><br />Because surely the slut didn't rape herself? Martha MausAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-80174514966217957572011-05-14T05:54:03.051+10:002011-05-14T05:54:03.051+10:00Gotta love blogger losing so many excellent commen...Gotta love blogger losing so many excellent comments. Missing Georgina's slutvocacy is the silver lining.Jaznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89395783210149559382011-05-14T05:20:22.512+10:002011-05-14T05:20:22.512+10:00"Notably, male crime victims are also often d..."Notably, male crime victims are also often doing stupid things when they are beaten up or mugged. Sometimes, they've been drinking a lot. Sometimes, they are walking down dark alleys alone. Sometimes, they are provoking some big beefy guy in a bar. Sometimes, they are escalating a confrontation needlessly. Yet, male victims don't get nearly the ration of shit women do. There's no word like "slut" to convey that these guys had it coming. They don't get lectured and tsk-tsked by police and other authority figures constantly. They aren't told they had better "earn" their right to physical safety."<br /><br />Actually many crime victims are doing something stupid when they are victimized. Criminals know how to look for and exploit vulnerabilities. Teaching people how to appear less vulnerable and therefore how to reduce their chances of becoming victims is not victim-blaming. The officer in question never said that a woman asks for or wants to be victimized. What he suggested (his example might have been better) was that women can take steps to protect themselves and recduce the likelihood of becoming victims. <br /><br />As for men not taking the ration of shit that women do, male victims typically take far more abuse (being called sissies, pussies, wimps, etc.) and receive considerably less support and sympathy.TDOMhttp://thedamnedoldeman.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89034657734597039712011-05-13T06:11:52.319+10:002011-05-13T06:11:52.319+10:00People have the right to disapprove of the sexual ...People have the right to disapprove of the sexual habits of others. The reason for this is that overall level of sexual mores in a culture impacts everyone in that culture, regardless of their own personal behavior. In particular, the increased prevalence of sluttiness in women since the sexual revolution has led many people -- men and women alike -- to have much greater difficulty in the mate market if they do not believe in slutty behavior themselves. It's basically a massive case of "dumbing mores down".<br /><br />The word slut has power for one reason: men like to have sex with sluts, but they don't like to marry them, because they are a very poor marriage risk. Men will seek to identify and select "out" promiscuous women when they are "mate" selecting, but select "in" promiscuous women when they are "sex" selecting. Either way, picking out the sluts is something men do and will always do, whether the more "enlightened" ones admit to it or not (hint: almost all of them, if married, are married to women who were not sluts before they were married).<br /><br />If women want to shame men for behaving promiscuously, they can go right ahead -- no skin off my nose. And last time I checked, a fair number of women *do* shame men like Tucker Max, calling him a "manwhore" and so on. I have no problem with that -- if the shoe fits, wear it. I doubt he has a problem with it either, really.knightblasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042581488365314771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-76574089378789398802011-05-13T05:50:34.106+10:002011-05-13T05:50:34.106+10:00anonymous said:
The honorable thing for men to do...anonymous said:<br /><br /><i>The honorable thing for men to do is to protect them. AND point out what they're doing is wrong.</i><br /><br />No it isn't...It is also not honorable for a person to enable the lifestyle of a drug addict or a self absorbed individual.<br /><br />Georgina said:<br /><br /><i>The police officer's comment that women must stop dressing like "sluts" in order to reduce their likelihood of victimization is insulting and unproductive. It serves to make women LESS safe. A woman is less likely to report an assault if she expects to be reviled and shamed by her local authorities -- and predators know this. Essentially all-too-prevalent attitudes like the police officers, that women who act in particular ways deserve to be shamed and reviled, can serve only to embolden rapists.</i><br /><br />How does it make women less safe? If women dress appropriately, they will be much less likely to be raped IN THE FIRST PLACE which renders largely irrelevant the prospect of women not being believed when they cry rape.<br />In fact if most women were to dress appropriately, police officers would be much more likely to take an alleged rape victim seriously. All the sluts do is create unnecessary extra work for police in much the same way that a woman who knowingly leaves her car unlocked, unattended and in a dangerous neighborhood and then complains her car got robbed does.Davouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679094598013542866noreply@blogger.com