tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post378240054425202834..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Exposing the white ribbon campaignUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-49025733850595285662009-05-18T19:13:00.000+10:002009-05-18T19:13:00.000+10:00Anonymous,
Thanks for alerting me to the wikipedi...Anonymous,<br /><br />Thanks for alerting me to the wikipedia page. Very interesting.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57863288687376611512009-05-18T09:18:00.000+10:002009-05-18T09:18:00.000+10:00Looks like some of this information is finding its...Looks like some of this information is finding its way onto the Michael Flood Wikipedia entry. See<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flood<br /><br />He has tried to have the Wikipedia page removed, unsucessfully. See<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michael_Flood<br /><br />Seems he is quite worried about media he cant have full control over. Now why might that be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75295037178762675822008-11-20T19:52:00.000+11:002008-11-20T19:52:00.000+11:00Kevo wrote:"I am beyond believing there will ever,...Kevo wrote:<BR/><BR/>"I am beyond believing there will ever, ever be a meeting of the societal minds with folk so stridently antagonistic to 'social norms' - and at the end of the day it will only be who has the heart to win the battle."<BR/><BR/>I might phrase this a little differently but agree with the spirit of it. It takes more heart than head to win a battle and the likes of Dr Flood are all head. Sooner or later reductionist materialism may "reduce" us to fighting for what we know is right by using all our senses, including sense of history, and not any reliance on deranged Marxist theory. At such a juncture a great many people may be unable to intuit any sense of right lest they feel they are violating someone else's "rightness". They will be dependent on some central authority for that direction.<BR/><BR/>It seems that after the 1960s social revolution men and women both came to rely more on their sexuality in defining their selves, to an exaggerated degree, in everyday interactions. It is not universal but seems pervasive enough. Might this tendency, if true, contribute to these bizarre notions that gender identification itself is the root of so many problems?leadpbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08957439101293478340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-85083724830451729572008-11-20T10:50:00.000+11:002008-11-20T10:50:00.000+11:00Women AND homosexuals? Must have a busy time of i...Women AND homosexuals? Must have a busy time of it. So many people to repress, so little time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-23984812991262455172008-11-20T03:40:00.000+11:002008-11-20T03:40:00.000+11:00I would suppose that some influence on the rise of...I would suppose that some influence on the rise of feminism was the sexual revolution of the 60s. That is, feminism as a bitter reaction against hedonistic men. After all, the sexual revolution and the rise of feminism were concurrent. And any decent man should see that the sexual revolution left women out on the open, in the howling winds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38920509555668871752008-11-19T17:59:00.000+11:002008-11-19T17:59:00.000+11:00Mark - "Social norms...underpin partner violence."...Mark - <BR/><BR/>"Social norms...underpin partner violence." ?<BR/><BR/>I must have grown up under a mushroom. <BR/><BR/>In an average, moderately disfunctional family up-bringing, never did I consider violence against the females in my family as normal, nor even witness it as occuring. Nor is this what I try to teach my daughters is acceptable behaviour. <BR/><BR/>This is a brilliant drilling down of the post-modern attack on society. Now it is not just bad to be a designated oppressor group:-<BR/><BR/>White<BR/>Male<BR/>Anglophone<BR/>Anglo-celtic<BR/>Judeo-Christian<BR/>Middle-class<BR/>Capitalist<BR/>Conservative<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now, even to exist within the 'social norm' is an oppressor group. Brilliant - let's do a Pol Pot and send everyone to the re-education camps in the name of social justice.<BR/><BR/>I am beyond believing there will ever, ever be a meeting of the societal minds with folk so stridently antagonistic to 'social norms' - and at the end of the day it will only be who has the heart to win the battle.Myrddin Serenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08317977669677726888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-44550058179860442022008-11-19T12:55:00.000+11:002008-11-19T12:55:00.000+11:00Hmmm.This is a difficult debate to contribute to. ...Hmmm.<BR/><BR/>This is a difficult debate to contribute to. As a Traditionalist, I feel endeared and protective of women at the same time as I have utter contempt for feminists, their agenda and the industry that has been built around it.<BR/><BR/>The comments of Leisl Libertarian contain truth, but can certainly be expressed better. It is true that grown women should be held accountable for their own decisions. After all, we no longer live in the era of arranged marriages. However, there is no excuse for a man to be violent against the person he has dedicated his life to protect and love.<BR/><BR/>Feminism does tend to treat women as perennial children (i.e. the infantalisation of women as stated above), but a reaction to it should not place them in a position of total liability. Men have a responsibility too.<BR/><BR/>I knew a girl once whose six (six!) consecutive boyfriends beat her. This is too much of a trend to suggest that she wasn't attracted to this type of behaviour. However, I am convinced that there are plenty of men out there who seem to be addicted to abusive women too: I see this mostly in the <I>expectation</I> women have to being given preference at the table, on the street, the road, and the being paid for/pampered.<BR/><BR/>I know very few women who think that men are entitled to respect as <I>men</I>.<BR/><BR/>I went to a co-educational school from years 1 to 6. I can tell you that <I>the girls hit the boys there on a daily basis</I>. I say that without a shred of exaggeration. The girls knew the boys wouldn't hit back, and when a boy did, he got the cane - hard. The girls exploited this very well indeed.<BR/><BR/>I am curious about the outcome of a survey among teenage girls in Australia, where they are asked about their attitudes to boys and men. I suspect that the way men are objectified and taken advantage of by girls and women would be too shocking to Dr Flood to even spare a moment of thought on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-38256312821995134932008-11-19T06:33:00.000+11:002008-11-19T06:33:00.000+11:00oops -I meant to say that sometimes women don't kn...oops -I meant to say that sometimes women don't know until they are in deep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33472336493676421002008-11-19T06:22:00.000+11:002008-11-19T06:22:00.000+11:00Lynn With all due respect, some victims are to bla...Lynn <BR/><BR/>With all due respect, some victims are to blame.<BR/><BR/>Many women who seek out violent men are are violent themselves. By casting them all as helpless victims you are infantalizing adult women who made decisions, however poor their choice ultimately was.<BR/><BR/>No one will never end the problem of domestic violence without taking on the role of women in contributing to it. There are many cases of women taking on a violent boyfriend or spouse who abuses as sometimes murders children they had with a different man. These are adult women and they need to bu held accountable for making dangerous choices as much as the men are.<BR/><BR/>These women are 100% to blame for getting into a relationship with a man known to be violent. Yes, women don't know until they are in deep. Usually, however, they know the character of the man they are exposing themselves and their children to but their infatuation rules the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-89113855500018216612008-11-18T20:20:00.000+11:002008-11-18T20:20:00.000+11:00Lynn, Liesel's exact comment was that "Some women ...Lynn, Liesel's exact comment was that "Some women are attracted to violent men". Unfortunately, this is true. A British <A HREF="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2006/07/do-some-women-seek-abuse.html" REL="nofollow">study</A> found that 25% of women who suffer domestic violence are "serial daters" of violent men. They go from one abusive relationship to another.<BR/><BR/>25% is a minority of cases - but a significant minority. If we can't recognise this facet of human nature, then how can we try to counteract it?Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-13858107068925935052008-11-18T15:00:00.000+11:002008-11-18T15:00:00.000+11:00The attitudes that the 'patriarchal' theory suppor...The attitudes that the 'patriarchal' theory support do lead to a sense of entitlement, over anybody and in real life that tends to get directed at women and children. It does exist, I've seen it, witnessed it and lived it, and it plays out in the fathers' sons in the way they live their life. <BR/><BR/>And if there's any evidence needed that violence supportive attitudes exist, one need read no further than liesel libertarian's comment, which is based on victim blaming.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01884718502732239426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-57500495838195778432008-11-18T11:50:00.000+11:002008-11-18T11:50:00.000+11:00Interestingly, this neo-Marxist theory, which also...Interestingly, this neo-Marxist theory, which also believed that Aborigines are an oppressed class, fails to explain the far higher rates of violence in Aboriginal communities. <BR/><BR/>After-all, the implication is that Indigenous males are oppressors, but these leftists think of them as the oppressed. <BR/><BR/>Finally, there is the great irony that Aboriginal men have been deprived of their traditional male roles through welfarism,which has resulted in unemployment, drinking and vio9lence.Leon Bertrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904286692877156809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-82016965450254099732008-11-18T09:16:00.000+11:002008-11-18T09:16:00.000+11:00He ignores the classic "dirty little secret of fem...He ignores the classic "dirty little secret of feminism." Some women are attracted to violent men. They want to be violated, they want to be shown who is the boss and the more aggressive the better.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying this is healthy or the norm but I'm sure we've all witnessed or read about examples of women going after dangerous men when perfectly decent ones are available. As long as their is a market for this behavior, it will continue. Ignoring the behavior and preference of some women will not make this problem go away no matter how much he tries to alter male behavior. If that is what it takes to get the girl, some men will figure that out no matter what they are taught!<BR/><BR/>Of course he also ignores female violence against male partners...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-53053012749477147882008-11-18T07:14:00.000+11:002008-11-18T07:14:00.000+11:00"the Real Men Don't Hit Women approach is rather a..."the Real Men Don't Hit Women approach is rather a good one".<BR/><BR/>Julian, agreed. It was a strongly held principle in the social classes I grew up in - and there was relatively little domestic violence in that milieu (none that I ever observed or heard about).Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-46159717279616276702008-11-17T23:52:00.000+11:002008-11-17T23:52:00.000+11:00Actually, I think the Real Men Don't Hit Women app...Actually, I think the Real Men Don't Hit Women approach is rather a good one. Flood's approach will never succeed because he is simply wrong about the genesis of masculinity. The joke is on Dr Flood.<BR/><BR/>JulianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com