tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post3580732805121707621..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: What is wrong with the men's rights movement?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger253125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33533578343529305872014-07-23T11:30:25.330+10:002014-07-23T11:30:25.330+10:00"More lies are spoken and written about the f..."More lies are spoken and written about the family than any other subject."<br /><br />AN INDISPENSABLE BOOK: Ferdinand Mount, The Subversive Family: An Alternative History of Love and Marriage, London:1982; New York: 1992]St. Estephehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11524785594106747591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43510735153616021262013-02-15T22:00:10.215+11:002013-02-15T22:00:10.215+11:00Jason,
You could have just written "I disagr...Jason,<br /><br />You could have just written "I disagree but can't explain why."Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-78335642262953231862013-02-15T14:46:29.035+11:002013-02-15T14:46:29.035+11:00This article is so deeply flawed there is nothing ...This article is so deeply flawed there is nothing salvagable.<br />The author should have researched before making statements that are not based in any reality.Jason Wallinghttp://www.avoiceformen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-34546464340554317882012-02-27T08:10:23.438+11:002012-02-27T08:10:23.438+11:00Good luck finding anything of value on The Spearhe...Good luck finding anything of value on The Spearhead. After their support for Josh Powell, and their vilification of his missing and probably deceased wife, my patience for them is over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-49978526949807118722010-12-25T09:41:00.173+11:002010-12-25T09:41:00.173+11:00249 comments: let's make it 250.
Aren't y...249 comments: let's make it 250.<br /><br />Aren't you glad that the guy running anti-male/pro-feminist tech wrote up an article about you on the spearhead.<br /><br />I bet you have never had this much traffic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-54567828369916729322010-12-25T09:39:47.867+11:002010-12-25T09:39:47.867+11:00Feminism is a deranged and self-destructive extrem...Feminism is a deranged and self-destructive extremist movement against men, and the MRM is a deranged and self-destructive extremist movement against women. There is no difference between the two except the genders. Both have identical mindsets and tactics.<br /><br />But what's especially disgusting about the MRM is their vocal and enthusiastic support for raping women (and on Spearhead a gay staff member even encourages sexually harrassing and assaulting men, for whatever reason). If you bring this up with them they'll of course deny everything, even though all their statements are right there in plain sight for everyone to see. This is identical to how feminists say something and then inexplicably deny ever saying anything. They're all insane.nullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33985478302185785502010-11-09T05:51:32.949+11:002010-11-09T05:51:32.949+11:00Anonymous I believe that you are confusing Victori...Anonymous I believe that you are confusing Victorian ideals of women with Christianity's ideals of humanity. Human nature is sinful (men and women alike). Religious women can be just as bad as non-religious women. Nobody here has said that they are better and quite frankly that is your misconception and belief. It's just that religious ask God to crucify the flesh (particularly Christians). Also quite sadden that your slippery slope into nihilism and other things )=Elizabeth Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-61682699555565588642010-11-09T02:00:41.927+11:002010-11-09T02:00:41.927+11:00I see all my friends texting and calling their gir...I see all my friends texting and calling their girlfriends and wives ALL THE TIME and that sure annoys me.<br /><br />I hate texting and I hate phone calls. <br /><br />I'm simply too independent, emotionally, physically and financially, to ever bother with women.<br /><br />I am not a MRA. As I believe that most MRA's are interested in having children and a marriage(or at least sex), but they're into the movement because the women in their own Countries aren't interested in them.<br /><br />I am not a MGTOW. Those seem to have made such a decision after being shafted by women.<br /><br />I am not a woman - hater. I find the female form to be rather appealing.<br /><br />What am I?<br /><br />I am your son. I am the guy your conservative daughter wants to marry and I am the guy that your rebellious daughter wants to sleep with, right inside my 2nd generation camaro.<br /><br />What am I?<br /><br />I am the future.<br /><br />I do wonder what that young woman is thinking of my lack of interest in approaching her or her father.<br /><br />It's going to be a very dark future(relationship wise) for women.<br /><br />Is it not?<br /><br />By the way. I know of endless cases of religious womenm(married virgins etc) who after a few years into the marriage either cheated on the husband(even though he was a good husband and father) or dumped the fella.<br /><br />Don't think for an istant that religious women are better than the atheists; they're actually better at hiding the true nature of women.<br /><br />Don't end up like those old men I see at the local tavern, always drunk only to avoid their wives(religious wives).<br /><br />Women change all the time.That very sweet, virginal young woman I have a crush over, her mother and father are very obese althoguh she's as slim as a stick.<br /><br />But she won't be slim and youthful forever while I'll keep increasing my level of fitness, health and due to the lack of stress and problems, I'll remain youthful until I die.<br /><br />Marriage, dating or random sex are worth the risks and the problems,<br /><br />Now that I've known true freedom, everlasting joy, I could never risk being in a relationship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-64442308126562171622010-11-09T01:59:48.634+11:002010-11-09T01:59:48.634+11:00I have never quite seen a young woman do such thin...I have never quite seen a young woman do such things. Usually, the majority of women either flirts with me, talks about sex or tries to get my attention and to get me to approach.<br /><br />To have a young woman that can barely look into my eyes when I get shy, and that cannot look at me when her parents and brother are near(that one, I don't understand).<br /><br />I honestly don't know why her father and brother look at me with daggers in their eyes.<br /><br />Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I come across as a guy that does not care about anything.<br /><br />The strangest thing is that I would probably court this young woman and marry her - if I wasn't as free as I am.<br /><br />I look around and I see people like my father, guys who married and have been the perfect father/husband etc.<br /><br />What for? Why would I put up with that? At the age of 14 I had a 39 year old teacher. She was very beautiful and very hot.<br /><br />She'd been married to her(and they're still married) husband for the past 21 years. <br /><br />They met when she was 15 and dating her then boyfriend, the village's Brad Pitt and Einstein while her future husband was 23 and nothing to write home about both mentally and physically. <br /><br />But she dumped the Brad Pitt boyfriend and married the average guy(actualy, she's taller than the guy), had a child and they've been together ever since.<br /><br />Ever since she had her child health problems had come to trouble her life. Her husband had to put out a lot of money ,emotion and time so she could have a good life.<br /><br />Why would I do that? I have no need for kids and even if I had I could easily get a surrogate mother to give me a child.<br /><br />So? What's in it for me? What do I get out of dealing with a woman? <br /><br />I don't need sex. I don't need "emotional intimacy".<br /><br />I have extreme financial security, my own house, I have my ancestors homes and farms and I have a degree.<br /><br />At the age of 26. <br /><br />I have no stds, I have no emotional baggage, I have no ex girlfriends, I have nothing to worry about in my life.<br /><br />So? What's in it for me? What do I get out of a relationships?<br /><br />Great cooking? <br /><br />I know how to cook and I love to cook.<br /><br />I know how to wash and clean and I take care of my house, daily.<br /><br />What's in it for me, again?<br /><br />Great chemistry, is that what I'm missing? Heh?<br /><br />Intimacy? I'm an artist. I enjoy great periods of time without any social contact. I live some 5 minutes away from my best friend and I stayed away from him for the past 3 years.<br /><br />Why? Because I could. Because I wanted to. Because I free to do so.<br /><br />It would be really bothersome to deal with a woman on a daily basis. <br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-55154072670845864462010-11-09T01:58:11.053+11:002010-11-09T01:58:11.053+11:00The young woman is living 200 miles away from home...The young woman is living 200 miles away from home, with several female roomates. I bet those walls have witnessed some sordid scenes.<br /><br />The funny thing is that this young woman's mother still advertises her offspring as virginal. <br /><br />Who wants to make a bet? This young woman is going to marry a sucker?<br /><br />I've also met "Spiritual" women. Those were as sexually liberal as the typical white woman(any woman at all, really, but as I am white I talk about white women).<br /><br />I remember a friend of mine telling me that his spiritual girlfriend would feel bad whenever she had a make out session with him and they happened to walk by the Church.<br /><br />Yet, she dumped him for the bigger better deal.<br /><br />It's rather remarkable how men, know that they have to swim across the English channel for a chance at a woman while most women only have to look at a man to have that man come running but still, most males will continue with their endless pursuit of romantic desires and sexual lust.<br /><br />I've been tempted before. I'm being tempted now. I'm enjoying very much the sensations caused by denying myself my own biological nature.<br /><br />There's a 18 year old woman, raised entirely by an intact nuclear family. <br /><br />There's the great, traditional father, the very loving older brother(that makes sure no guy approaches her) and there's the mother, a traditional and very sweet woman.<br /><br />They're from the country. I think they're new to the city because I don't remember having seen that young woman 2 years ago. I would have noticed her.<br /><br />Not that she's a lost sister of Angelina Jolie. This young woman is 5 feet tall, 90 pounds, with thin hair and her teeth aren't perfect. <br /><br />She was raised to love cooking for a large family. She washes and cleans and takes care of the house as soon as she gets home.<br /><br />She takes care of babies, she takes young children to the beach. She belongs to the Church(as her entire family does.<br /><br />She takes care of old people, bathes them, changes their clothes, feeds them and she's always in crusades trying to get money for those noble ideals.<br /><br />It's a very cute situation. when I see her I find myslef staring at her, blushing. When she's with her parents or brother, she never looks at me. <br /><br />But when she's alone she looks at me but I usually turn my head to the other side to not look at her and when I return the look she's staring at the floor.<br /><br />It's very sweet. <br /><br />Another time I was sitting at the restaurant and her family and her arrived. I would be looking at the young woman without taking my eyes and she'd do the same to me, going around in circles, staring at the ground, then at me.<br /><br />I must have looked like a young teenager when she came near the restaurant and I stared at the ground as she did too, it was even sweeter when she wanted to pass by me(I was in the way) and she smiled at me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-39289745638806404052010-11-09T01:57:40.929+11:002010-11-09T01:57:40.929+11:00Part 2:
The young woman is living 200 miles away ...Part 2:<br /><br />The young woman is living 200 miles away from home, with several female roomates. I bet those walls have witnessed some sordid scenes.<br /><br />The funny thing is that this young woman's mother still advertises her offspring as virginal. <br /><br />Who wants to make a bet? This young woman is going to marry a sucker?<br /><br />I've also met "Spiritual" women. Those were as sexually liberal as the typical white woman(any woman at all, really, but as I am white I talk about white women).<br /><br />I remember a friend of mine telling me that his spiritual girlfriend would feel bad whenever she had a make out session with him and they happened to walk by the Church.<br /><br />Yet, she dumped him for the bigger better deal.<br /><br />It's rather remarkable how men, know that they have to swim across the English channel for a chance at a woman while most women only have to look at a man to have that man come running but still, most males will continue with their endless pursuit of romantic desires and sexual lust.<br /><br />I've been tempted before. I'm being tempted now. I'm enjoying very much the sensations caused by denying myself my own biological nature.<br /><br />There's a 18 year old woman, raised entirely by an intact nuclear family. <br /><br />There's the great, traditional father, the very loving older brother(that makes sure no guy approaches her) and there's the mother, a traditional and very sweet woman.<br /><br />They're from the country. I think they're new to the city because I don't remember having seen that young woman 2 years ago. I would have noticed her.<br /><br />Not that she's a lost sister of Angelina Jolie. This young woman is 5 feet tall, 90 pounds, with thin hair and her teeth aren't perfect. <br /><br />She was raised to love cooking for a large family. She washes and cleans and takes care of the house as soon as she gets home.<br /><br />She takes care of babies, she takes young children to the beach. She belongs to the Church(as her entire family does.<br /><br />She takes care of old people, bathes them, changes their clothes, feeds them and she's always in crusades trying to get money for those noble ideals.<br /><br />It's a very cute situation. when I see her I find myslef staring at her, blushing. When she's with her parents or brother, she never looks at me. <br /><br />But when she's alone she looks at me but I usually turn my head to the other side to not look at her and when I return the look she's staring at the floor.<br /><br />It's very sweet. <br /><br />Another time I was sitting at the restaurant and her family and her arrived. I would be looking at the young woman without taking my eyes and she'd do the same to me, going around in circles, staring at the ground, then at me.<br /><br />I must have looked like a young teenager when she came near the restaurant and I stared at the ground as she did too, it was even sweeter when she wanted to pass by me(I was in the way) and she smiled at me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27416034935650672822010-11-09T01:46:06.685+11:002010-11-09T01:46:06.685+11:00Feminism = slut empowerment. Why marry a North Am...Feminism = slut empowerment. Why marry a North American whore?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52816913205894906522010-11-08T09:16:40.864+11:002010-11-08T09:16:40.864+11:00Ilíon said...
"Men may not have a biological...Ilíon said...<br /><br />"Men may not have a biological clock, but they have a psychological clock. It's the rare man who wants to *start* fatherhood in his 40s or later."<br /><br />I call it the "Economic Clock" and have posted extensively on it. Essentially, it is the point in a man's life beyond which he cannot risk marriage, assuming he's making a rational decision.<br /><br />The age of this is declining and probably not coincidentally, so is the interest in marriage among men.<br /><br />Some divorced men are able to circumvent this by getting remarried to a woman who can support them. However, only a small minority of men are able to do this but this does explain how the marriage rate of women is more than 10% higher than men.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11227617396044786578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37625543386752205062010-11-08T08:06:52.770+11:002010-11-08T08:06:52.770+11:00Rebel said,
"The first one is that marriage ...Rebel said,<br /><br />"The first one is that marriage was turned into a sacrament in the 13th century. Its aim has been the control of state/church over men, from the very beginning."<br /><br />Its a mistake to look at marriage in such a one sided way. <br /><br />"I see Islam as a good replacement and a cure for this very sick society."<br /><br />Upset and disappointment is no excuse for treachery.<br /><br />Realconservative said,<br /><br />“The fact is that this might have worked in the 1950s but today a man is a loser if he cannot hire help to do this.”<br /><br />Its important that we as a society don’t become so uselessly decadent that we can’t do things for ourselves. I understand the issues of time pressure but simple work is still good for the spirit. It’s a good test of a future spouse to see how hostile or not she is to housework.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-43017153728732168812010-11-08T04:49:34.145+11:002010-11-08T04:49:34.145+11:00Many comments on this thread...
In reality, there...Many comments on this thread...<br /><br />In reality, there are only two things that we should all keep in mind all of the time:<br /><br />The first one is that marriage was turned into a sacrament in the 13th century. Its aim has been the control of state/church over men, from the very beginning.<br />Feminism only transferred the rights of property to women.<br />It then stands out very clearly that marriage is just as much slavery for men as divorce is: the two go together. When seen under the proper angle, it becomes quickly obvious that marriage must be abolished.<br /><br />The second is more terrifying still: it is a fact, proven time and again, that children are weapons, missiles that judges and women use to destroy men.<br /><br />This is the way Western civilization works today. And this is the reason why we must spare no effort in order to collapse this society. I say the sooner the better.<br />I see Islam as a good replacement and a cure for this very sick society.<br /><br /><br />RebelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-85341197008401052972010-11-08T04:24:56.439+11:002010-11-08T04:24:56.439+11:00"Game explains why the more a man tries to pl..."Game explains why the more a man tries to please his wife by doing the things he is "supposed" to do (kitchen work, cleaning, etc.) the less she actually cares for him, and the greater her contempt for him grows."<br /><br />The fact is that this might have worked in the 1950s but today a man is a loser if he cannot hire help to do this.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11227617396044786578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47191718381706037842010-11-08T03:56:14.358+11:002010-11-08T03:56:14.358+11:00"The average men's rights activist (MRA) ..."The average men's rights activist (MRA) is hostile to feminism. And yet he also agrees fundamentally with the feminist agenda."<br /><br />I've always believed in equality - real equality. Unfortunately, for feminist, this is just a selling and talking point, to con the unwary. I'll admit, it suckered me for a time.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11227617396044786578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-56196060740353181912010-11-07T14:45:47.714+11:002010-11-07T14:45:47.714+11:00Right!
So that if the equation tips too far again...Right!<br /><br /><em>So that if the equation tips too far against men then its not in men's interests. Consequently in that environment any call for "sacrifice" would be encouraging him to put his head in a noose.</em><br /><br />Yes, and I agree with that. Men (or women) shouldn't sacrifice themselves needlessly and pointlessly. That would just be a form of suicide. But I would dispute that marriage to any Western woman in any circumstance is akin to suicide.<br /><br />Many of our marriages have a divorce rate of less than 10%, which is lower than the overall divorce rate in the Victorian era. Each divorce is still a tragedy, and what happens after divorce is often an outrage, but to act like traditional marriages are equivalent to Russian roulette is absurd.<br /><br />The simple fact is that many of those men aren't traditionalists and would not be able to marry such a traditional woman (except perhaps a foreigner). But traditionalism is a bit like a club. If you want to enjoy the benefits of the club (i.e. higher-quality women and lower divorce rates), then you have to join the club first (change your lifestyle and belief system). Those are the dues. If you are not willing to pay the dues, you do not get the club benefits and will have to stand outside and complain.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-18198958638773677142010-11-07T14:05:41.234+11:002010-11-07T14:05:41.234+11:00Alte said,
"Traditionalism is about mutual s...Alte said,<br /><br />"Traditionalism is about mutual sacrifice and delayed gratification. It is the polar opposite of liberalism, which is about personal acquisition and immediate pleasure."<br /><br />Your post was a very good defence of traditionalism by the way. Looking at it from this perspective an MRA might say, "ok marriage is about sacrifice and in this day and age its men who are doing the sacrificing". Clearly marriage involves not just sacrifice, (which traditionalists would frequently not have a problem with because being part of something can make sacrifice fulfilling), but also mutual benefit. The MRA's would say marriage must retain an element of mutual benefit, or from a man's perspective benefit for men, to be sustainable. So that if the equation tips too far against men then its not in men's interests. Consequently in that environment any call for "sacrifice" would be encouraging him to put his head in a noose.<br /><br />Certainly the MRA's retain the feminist element of gender war/conflict and use it for male purposes. The ultimate question I think is whether libertinism, and I think so far there has been a fair emphasis of that among MRA's as discussed, is an effective solution or strategy for changing society. Because we all agree that men wouldn't want to be libertines for purely personal reasons. Right? ;).Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1371138340435389942010-11-07T09:01:45.966+11:002010-11-07T09:01:45.966+11:00To use an American expression, my wife and I have ...To use an American expression, my wife and I have each other's backs. I have done very personally uncomfortable things to protect my wife; and she has fought like a tigress for me on occasion.<br /><br />She has given me a peck of trouble at times, and she can be very childish. But she also works very hard for the family and is loyal. She has put up with a lot of fairly rough treatment from me at times. Putting it bluntly, I work her pretty hard in all areas of a marriage. She is real "sturdy peasant stock".<br /><br />I think she finds me lazy and irritating.<br /><br />The mood I get from some MRAs is that they are plaster saints. I don't believe them. These men should look in the mirror sometime.<br /><br />Alte is right about marriage as having value in itself. My children have given me a lot of worry. But they are still of infinite value. <br /><br />In a long marriage, both spouses give ample excuse for the other to leave. The problem with divorce (and indeed "annulment" sometimes) is that there is ALWAYS an excuse you can find to break up a marriage. The Christian thing to do is to forgive, really forgive quite bad things if necessary, so the marriage itself can endure.<br /><br />The marriage is bigger than the husband and wife.David Collardhttp://davidcollard.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-70362044876737086232010-11-07T08:27:50.625+11:002010-11-07T08:27:50.625+11:00If someone breaks into your house and your wife hi...If someone breaks into your house and your wife hits him over the head with a baseball bat, do you admonish her for being unladylike? Or do you give her an approving nod and prod the body with your foot to see if it is still breathing? You can always advise her to use a more appropriate frying pan the next time, at a later date.<br /><br />If he wants to see a traditional woman giving him a rendition of "hell hath no fury", he should head over to TTH and post, "I think Mark Richardson is a big idiot." It would be fun to watch. I'll bring a comfy chair and some popcorn. LOL.<br /><br />As if we divide upon gender lines here. Idiot. The men here know very well that I'm not indignant on my own behalf.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-44359470610363137202010-11-07T08:12:32.799+11:002010-11-07T08:12:32.799+11:00Anonymous
People do things they should not do all...Anonymous<br /><br />People do things they should not do all the time. I have behaved badly in my marriage too.<br /><br />You accuse me of being a feminist. Go to my blog. I state there that I believe in traditional, hierarchical marriage, with the man as the head. I sit at the head of the table as my wife serves my meals. She bears my name and has borne my children. I am in no way a feminist.<br /><br />I agree that wives are nuts a fair bit of the time. Feminists lie about this, but it is true, and we need to get the word out there so that husbands are not surprised when their wife acts weird. But this is the standard female model, with which men have to deal. I suspect that the emotionality and relative irrationality of women is the reason why traditionally they have been expected to follow a male leader.<br /><br />As for Alte, I have never seen her "throw tantrums". She has put up with a great deal of childish abuse from males who claim to be men. Alte no doubt has her moments, but so do some of the MRA men, many of whom sound deranged at times. I believe she is a genuine friend to men, who is not blind to the faults of either sex.David Collardhttp://davidcollard.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-87274027722167403222010-11-07T07:22:11.662+11:002010-11-07T07:22:11.662+11:00This is why MRAs are coming to the conclusion that...<em>This is why MRAs are coming to the conclusion that traditionalists are just feminists who are against abortion.</em><br /><br />You just don't get it, do you? You just do not understand what traditionalism is really about, and why such people will have little sympathy with your "plight". So let me explain: <b>Traditionalism is about mutual sacrifice and delayed gratification. It is the polar opposite of liberalism, which is about personal aquisition and immediate pleasure.</b> Liberals, such as yourself, who are primarily interested in your own fate and are unwilling to sacrifice for the good of others, are truly on a different planet than we are.<br /><br />Traditionalists -- of both sexes -- are willing to sacrifice and delay their gratification <em>even until after death</em>. Do not forget who our role model is, how hard His life was, and the horrible way it ended. We judge "suffering" by a completely different measure, and we do not consider suffering to be something to be avoided at all costs. Rather, we see suffering and persecution as something inherent to the state of being alive and Christian, and are pleasantly suprised when life seems easy for a bit. We will have plenty of peace when we are dead.<br /><br />We promote reform of marital and custodial laws because we value marriage and paternity, out of love for our Christian and other traditionalist brethren, and because we want the best for our society's progeny. We do not do it so that selfish men can come crawling to us for sympathy, and try to play us off each other to their own advantage.<br /><br />Have you misplaced your rock, or can you simply not get enough? Why don't you do what you do best: <em>go save your own skin</em>. Go back to your porn and your whoring and leave civilization in the care of the men who actually give a damn about it.<br /><br />/tantrum<br /><br />But don't be worried. There is plenty more where that came from.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-3032879864391483892010-11-07T04:39:57.377+11:002010-11-07T04:39:57.377+11:00People who expect to meet the perfect spouse will ...<em>People who expect to meet the perfect spouse will be disappointed.</em><br /><br />Yes, it's the consumerist mentality of the Culture of Death rearing it's hideous head again. I hear similar comments about my children because they are autistic.<br /><br />Marriage has worth in and of itself, regardless of who you marry. Just as being a parent has worth in and of itself, regardless of how your children turn out. Just as having a religious vocation has worth in and of itself, regardless of where you are stationed and whether or not you are persecuted. You do not choose a vocation based upon how easy it will be, but based upon whether or not you are called to it. There is no Earthly Utopia, and expecting to hide out until you find one will just leave you in your hidey-hole until you die a lonely death.<br /><br />It's just selfishness, laziness, and cowardice hiding behind a veneer of moralistic self-preservation. The problem with modern marriage is its impermanence and the lack of social and legal support for this vital institution. Marriage itself is <em>not the problem</em>. Those who risk little achieve little, and have gotten what they deserve.<br /><br />It's just more evidence of their hypocrisy. They decry women discarding men they tire of or who are going through a rough time, but then complain about men who do not discard their wives. They are just like women who abort their children when they find them inconvenient or imperfect. They say, "I want a marriage, but my wife must be perfect." Once you are perfect, than God will grant you a perfect wife. Until then, you will have to deal with the merely mortal ones and all of their flaws, just as they have to deal with you.<br /><br />And these guys really just cannot stand for anybody to be happy and content if their life isn't perfect. Because then they would have to assume that happiness and contentment do not always come from a perfect life, but from something else, and that their misery is partly of their own making.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-17162080368839029082010-11-07T03:30:44.216+11:002010-11-07T03:30:44.216+11:00David, since when is expecting minimal civilized b...David, since when is expecting minimal civilized behavior from women "expecting the perfect spouse"? Not being violent and/or insane all the time (or most or half) of the time is a basic requirement of being a civilized person. Why are you traditionalists telling men to accept constant uncivilized behavior from women? (For that matter I haven't seen anyone of you traditionalists tell Alte to stop throwing temper tantrums either.)<br /><br />This is why MRAs are coming to the conclusion that traditionalists are just feminists who are against abortion. No matter what a woman does you traditionalists accept it as "normal female behavior" and attack MRAs as wanting women to be "men with tits" for pointing out that women are not acting like civilized individuals.<br /><br />Why should any man agree to such an insane (not to mention) dangerous life? The MRAs are right again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com