tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post353753051767974472..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: What can no longer be pretendedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-71603276310196780672010-10-30T09:33:28.881+11:002010-10-30T09:33:28.881+11:00It may seem odd but I deliberately wanted to live ...It may seem odd but I deliberately wanted to live in multicultural Sydney specifically in part because it was multicultural. To add another white face to it. I must admit though that I don't have to worry about my safety, I'm neither pansy enough to invite attack nor aggressive enough to provoke it. It also kind of helps if you half want to be attacked ;).Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10483754106617891702010-10-30T04:32:49.614+11:002010-10-30T04:32:49.614+11:00Okay, last LAST comment. LOL.
There is still hope...Okay, last LAST comment. LOL.<br /><br />There is still hope in Southern Germany. In the East you have the communists and the north has been overrun by immigrants already. But the southern men still have their dignity left, I think, and aren't simply going to bend over and take this. A last stand at the Alps?<br /><br />I do know many North African or Middle Eastern engineers (my former colleagues) who are very gentlemanly. But they are mostly Christian or Bahai.<br /><br />It's also wrong to judge a culture solely by the elite. If you want to know what they really think of women, look at the lower classes. Even the French native working-class men have never been anything but polite to me. They certainly didn't frighten me or chase me down in the street! The same goes for native Dutch men, Austrian men, Swiss men, etc.<br /><br />That is the logical mistake the left is often making. They point to Muslim engineers, scientists, and moderate politicians and hold them up as "typical Muslim immigrants". But they are atypical, so dismissing concerns as exceptions is just an attempt to deny the reality that women are facing in their daily lives. European women increasingly feel unsafe in their cities, and restricted in their movements. European men shouldn't have to worry about protecting their women; living in Europe <em>should be the protection</em>.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-28119779377841263132010-10-30T03:07:57.440+11:002010-10-30T03:07:57.440+11:00I feel most comfortable in Strasbourg, although we...I feel most comfortable in Strasbourg, although we also tend to attract the same trash as many other big 'French' cities. Toulouse can no longer be considered French, not to mention Paris. Strolling down the streets in Toulouse does not feel like visiting France, but rather Algeria, Morocco or Chad. Strasbourg is a different matter altogether, because, as you mentioned, it is a kind of in-between, and Alsace is arguably France's most conservative region. Strasbourg is both French and Germanic, distinctly Alsatian in short. I do understand your concern; I am always worried whenever my mother and sister must go to Toulouse. We are in dire straits, this is beyond dispute, Novaseeker, but the backlash will be all the more violent because of it. The French 'far-right' is amid the most powerful of Europe, and it is clearly on the rise. I can assure you, Alte, that most natives (I cannot refer to 'French' people as many of the invaders have been naturalised over time) would never dare harass women, as far as I am concerned, my manners are gentlemanly, and I am shocked by this kind of dissolute, lusty behaviour, which is, alas, customary amid these uncivilised tribes. <br /><br />Freiburg is a lovely city as well, quite likeable, the only disadvantage being it is ruled by a Watermelon from Bündnis 90/die Grünen. I remember vividly that I used to sit at that restaurant's terrace when a group of Muslim women (I have to assume they were women since we could not see their faces) trotted by in full burqas, all conversations suddenly ceased and everyone stared at them in pointed silence. There is hope for Germany.Southern Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-25447459505713165262010-10-30T02:43:35.620+11:002010-10-30T02:43:35.620+11:00Okay, last post so that I don't drive you guys...Okay, last post so that I don't drive you guys crazy. Have you seen this already: <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/0,1518,726163,00.html" rel="nofollow">Wer in Deutschland am ärmsten ist</a><br /><br />According to the statistics from 2008, the poorest group in Germany is single women. The wealthiest group is intact families (father, mother, 2+ children). Of course, cause and effect is being hotly debated in the comments.<br /><br />Who wants to bet that some idiot politician will take this as a reason to champion more money for single mothers?Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47757385241152911792010-10-30T02:16:14.709+11:002010-10-30T02:16:14.709+11:00Will anybody in this world EVER hold women account...<em>Will anybody in this world EVER hold women accountable for their own actions?</em><br /><br />No, of course not. You are tilting at windmills.<br /><br />Both the liberals and the conservatives are subtly acknowledging the fact that women are not the same as men, by treating them like mislead dependents rather than fully-accountable adults. At least Christianity -- minus the Victorian pedestalization -- holds women to account for the basics (do not murder, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc.) The liberals don't even bother with that.<br /><br />Now that we've all reached this sensible consensus and have acknowledged that women are often rather silly and stupid, can we please re-establish patriarchy and be done with it already? How much longer do we have to keep up the charade? Do the inmates <em>have</em> to run the ayslum?Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72800137341782677462010-10-30T01:48:34.373+11:002010-10-30T01:48:34.373+11:00I laughed when I read the Economist article and th...I laughed when I read the Economist article and they quoted Seehofer. Trust the good Bavarian man to be so blunt.<br /><br /><em>Strasbourg is kind of pseudo-France.</em><br /><br />Of course. That is why I prefer it.<br /><br /><em>That's where France is at right now, really.</em><br /><br />Yes, but why would I want to go there? To be chased around by a bunch of uneducated, unemployed jerks who think a young woman walking alone in a sleeveless shirt is hoping to be gang-raped? If I want to do that, I can go to Morocco. Or Rome. Or Stockholm. Or Neukölln. Or Hamburg.<br /><br />Oh dear.<br /><br />I will go to my (still) nice Strasbourg, eat my flammekueche, wash it down with a decent Pinot gris, and make small-talk with the polite Alsatians around me. It is like Germany, but they have a French accent and finer food. Ideal, really.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-60475852057957554412010-10-30T00:24:10.479+11:002010-10-30T00:24:10.479+11:00Sarrazin of course is SPD, so his solutions will b...Sarrazin of course is SPD, so his solutions will be statist and leftist. The remarkable thing, however, is that the SPD left is now at least beginning to critique multiculturalism. The SPD distanced itself from Sarrazin, of course, and isn't saying what Merkel is now saying, for example, but Sarrazin is expressing the views of many in the SPD and the German left in general (as well as the left in other continental countries) that something has indeed gone terribly wrong when it comes to the situation of Islam in Europe.<br /><br />Strasbourg is kind of pseudo-France. It's so close to Germany, and Alsatian culture in general is such a mish-mash, that it doesn't feel as much like France to me. To me, one gets a better sense of where France is at by going to Paris and getting on the local (not the express) train between Paris and CDG Airport, through the northern suburbs. That's where France is at right now, really.knightblasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03042581488365314771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-31953913659829524422010-10-30T00:00:40.810+11:002010-10-30T00:00:40.810+11:00It's pretty obvious that Sarazzin thinks patri...It's pretty obvious that Sarazzin thinks patriarchal religions are more part of the problem than part of the solution. His suggestion of paying educated German women 50K Euros for each baby is particularly daft. That would just encourage their hypergamy and further discourage them from marriage. As if Germany's problem is that it doesn't have enough bastards.<br /><br />I was born in Stuttgart, but consider myself Bavarian now. I've been in Strasbourg quite often, on private visits and business, and it is by far my favorite part of France. My cousin lives in Freiburg, so I visit there sometimes. A really beautiful area. And the food! And the wine! Gorgeous weather, as well.<br /><br />I also really liked Toulouse (I was there regularly for business, and took a nice jaunt down to Collioure with the train) but all of these North African men chased me around the city, which soured me on it. They are very aggressive there, which was a shock for me after the restrained German and Alsatian men. In Germany or Alsace I never felt afraid to travel alone, or walk around the city in the evening. My French colleagues started escorting me out in the evening for dinner. They were very embarrassed by it all, and assured me that it is not the French way to harrass women like that.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37876497271151299132010-10-29T23:21:27.970+11:002010-10-29T23:21:27.970+11:00I am not so surprised, Alte, coming from the SPD, ...I am not so surprised, Alte, coming from the SPD, I did not expect even Sarrazin to openly take on a traditionalist stance. Neither is he a traditionalist at heart, though many of his comments on the German welfare state rather belong to the CDU/CSU category which is hardly a hallmark of conservatism these days. As far as I am aware, I believe he is an atheist, and is not likely to stand for Christian civilisation. His <i>Weltanschauung</i> for Germany is therefore entirely different, and will never coincide with ours. However, these are interesting developments, because it means even the dozy left can, every now and then, face the truth instead of assuming its usual stolidity. So, yes, no surprise so far, although I still want to lay hold of one copy as soon as possible.<br /><br />I do like Germany, and I think there is some potential for a conservative revival there. As you correctly conjectured, I am from Alsace. Well, it is a bit complicated. I am originally from Southern France, but I am studying at the University of Strasbourg (and currently doing one year abroad, in Scotland, as part of my curriculum). However, I feel strongly about Alsace and I love this part of France, although I consider myself French first and foremost.<br /><br />If I may ask, where are you from in Germany? I am well acquainted with Baden-Württemberg and Niedersachsen, especially Hanover and Freiburg im Breisgau, but I know little else of Germany, except through my readings and links with German people.Southern Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-36996954856774142552010-10-29T22:15:41.072+11:002010-10-29T22:15:41.072+11:00I have the essay response from Duthel. There are s...I have the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Deutschland-abgeschafft-Drastische-Zukunft-ebook/dp/B00444410I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1288350513&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">essay response</a> from Duthel. There are significant excerpts from the original in it, and I'm about 1/3 of the way through now. I must say that I'm disappointed, but not surprised.<br /><br />Sarazzin acknowledges some of the essential problems, but he's an SPD-er at heart. All of his preferred solutions are secularist and state-based. It's just more leftist populism. I suppose I'm a right-populist who prefers a return to Kinder, Kirche, Küche rather than mandatory schooling at 3 years old.<br /><br />I've been sorely reminded of why we fled Germany, in the first place. We're homeschoolers; educational refugees, as it were. We both really miss it, though. My husband is always complaining now that we left Germany just to get to America in time for the crash over here and a boom over there. And the house we've bought has lost about 25% of its value already. Oh, well.<br /><br />Are you in/from Alsace (.fr in your address)?Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-75971288754444834622010-10-29T21:05:25.702+11:002010-10-29T21:05:25.702+11:00"Ugh. It turns out that I downloaded a review...<i>"Ugh. It turns out that I downloaded a review of his book. It isn't available on Kindl yet, unfortunately."</i><br />All right, I will probably go to Germany sometime around Christmas, and I shall get a paper copy. <br /><br /><i>"The heights of idiocy that Cathlophobic bigots are driven to never ceases to amaze... it does illustrate how much they are not assets to the struggle to save the Christian West."</i><br />I strongly agree with you; such claims are utterly ridiculous. Now is not the time to re-stage the Reformation Wars, we need to put aside our minor differences and rally behind the standard of Christendom. Of course, the Pope never sanctioned the sack of Constantinople by Mehmet II's Ottoman Empire, nor did Rome ever condone the invasion of the Balkans. Quite the opposite, it threw its weight behind Hungary to fend off the Turk.Southern Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-91708951730781562692010-10-29T19:04:15.109+11:002010-10-29T19:04:15.109+11:00I am one hundred percent behind the agenda of a re...I am one hundred percent behind the agenda of a return to traditional gender roles, but the way she frames it sickens me. Women have this almost insurmountable tendency to see females as victims, no matter the situation. So the abhorrent way in which modern women act is now because of a society that praises masculinity and not femininity? Women are victims and have been brutalized by society? Will anybody in this world EVER hold women accountable for their own actions? <br /><br />I can't stand it. Its the same trip Laura Wood was on at one stage and probably still is for all I know. <br /><br />WOMEN ARE NOT VICTIMS! <br /><br />Utterly exhausting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-60985973353579281612010-10-29T14:36:50.519+11:002010-10-29T14:36:50.519+11:00Anonymous, the Pope didn't "back Muslims&...Anonymous, the Pope didn't "back Muslims" during the siege of Constantinople, any more than Elizabeth I "backed Muslims" at Lepanto by not offering help to the resistance against Ottoman expansionism.<br /><br />The heights of idiocy that Cathlophobic bigots are driven to never ceases to amaze... it does illustrate how much they are <i>not</i> assets to the struggle to save the Christian West.Kilroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-32098879579239354562010-10-29T09:03:07.118+11:002010-10-29T09:03:07.118+11:00Ugh. It turns out that I downloaded a review of hi...Ugh. It turns out that I downloaded a review of his book. It isn't available on Kindl yet, unfortunately.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58718165630058615592010-10-28T23:08:21.898+11:002010-10-28T23:08:21.898+11:00Thanks for the details, Alte, it is exactly what I...Thanks for the details, Alte, it is exactly what I meant, but you did it more justice than I did. As for Thilo Sarrazin's book, I cannot wait to read his book, thanks God, I have some measure of proficiency in German. Would you mind sending me the book as you managed to download it? There is no way I could do it here as I am connected through my university's network, and it is closely monitored. Here is my e-mail address:<br />vasilios29@hotmail.frSouthern Crossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-12415615549238297262010-10-28T19:23:21.169+11:002010-10-28T19:23:21.169+11:00Last time I checked the Pope backed Muslims (propp...Last time I checked the Pope backed Muslims (propped up by foreign Muhadjadeen)agianst Christians, the Balkans are testimony to this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-2279367029537331952010-10-28T16:18:07.554+11:002010-10-28T16:18:07.554+11:00"Unfortunately, Lauren Booth chose to respond..."<i>Unfortunately, Lauren Booth chose to respond to her feelings of loss of community, of womanhood and of transcendence by turning to a non-Western tradition.</i>"<br /><br />What Booth has done is follow in the footsteps of the Radical Traditionalists (aka the Traditionalist School), without even knowing it. The so-called Nouvelle Droit also follows this path, by the way.Kilroynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73192585450362033912010-10-28T13:47:27.856+11:002010-10-28T13:47:27.856+11:00Perhaps she has left Christianity because she thin...Perhaps she has left Christianity because she thinks it is inseparable from feminism?Davouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11679094598013542866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27013400540380695732010-10-28T12:47:10.409+11:002010-10-28T12:47:10.409+11:00"Yes, and I also recall how he backed down as..."Yes, and I also recall how he backed down as soon as he was criticized for it".<br /><br />Come now it was gusty to raise it. People pushing conservative arguments have to walk a very fine line or they get subject to very strong attack, which is what we're seeing with intensification of the sex abuse scandal.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-90219173818638055002010-10-28T10:57:51.857+11:002010-10-28T10:57:51.857+11:00Alte:
Leftists hate the Catholic Church for a reas...Alte:<br /><i>Leftists hate the Catholic Church for a reason. Remember what the Pope said about Islam in the Regensburg lecture, and his defense of complementarianism?</i><br /><br />Yes, and I also recall how he backed down as soon as he was criticized for it. It is all too typical of all cultural, political and/or religious leaders in the West to back away from telling the hard truths about Islam, because as soon as they do so they are accused of "discrimination", one of the few actions that the secular world recognizes as something approximating sin.Anonymous Protestantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15244751384542638372010-10-28T10:17:29.476+11:002010-10-28T10:17:29.476+11:00Yes, feminists are like locusts that way.
I downl...Yes, feminists are like locusts that way.<br /><br />I downloaded the book and will start reading it immediately. I'll give y'all a review when I'm done.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-21069946575382332712010-10-28T08:39:53.421+11:002010-10-28T08:39:53.421+11:00So lets assume she's successful and manages to...So lets assume she's successful and manages to "feminise" Islam. Is this the real motive here? To find the strongly male things, feminise them, and then move on? The Army is perhaps one example. The commentators, usually women, arguing for more gender equality in the army don't actually care about the army or its effectiveness, but gender equality. So they make it more whimpy then lose interest and look for something else.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59776194765475922422010-10-28T08:20:39.711+11:002010-10-28T08:20:39.711+11:00Yes Alte there's nothing wrong with genuine co...Yes Alte there's nothing wrong with genuine conversion, I guess. The quote I offered wasn't from Booth but another middle class women. Her argument was that all the "unpleasant" aspects that we associate with Islam aren't actually in the religion but "cultural", ie old school Arab, additions. Real Islam is about peace blah. So she wants to take on the "dinosaurs" within Islam to show the "real" religion, which is what I suppose many have attempted with Christianity. This is all ridiculous wishful thinking. You latch onto one bit you like and think you can ignore the rest.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-9537078467496171662010-10-28T08:11:19.427+11:002010-10-28T08:11:19.427+11:00The Pope on multiculturalism:
Ratzinger’s theme wa...The Pope on multiculturalism:<br /><em>Ratzinger’s theme was “the spiritual roots of Europe,” and he criticized a culture that gave value and protection to other religions — notably Judaism and Islam — but that denied the same to Christianity. With his trademark bite, he identified “a peculiar Western self-hatred that is nothing short of<br />pathological.”</em><br /><br />...and Heathrow does remind one of a Third World country. India or Bangladesh, or something. Last time we were there, we couldn't understand anyone because of their thick South Asian accents. Much of London is like that, in fact. Good curry, though.<br /><br />Leftists hate the Catholic Church for a reason. Remember what the Pope said about Islam in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regensburg_lecture" rel="nofollow">Regensburg lecture</a>, and his defense of complementarianism?<br /><br />Germany is feeling a multi-culti backlash, as well. The right is gaining across Europe. From <a href="http://www.economist.com/node/17305755?story_id=17305755" rel="nofollow">The Economist</a> this weekend:<br /><em>Germany’s bestselling book is “Deutschland schafft sich ab” (“Germany does away with itself”), a warning by a director of the Bundesbank, since forced out of his job, that too much child-bearing by the poor and by immigrants (especially Muslims), and too little by the educated classes, dooms the country to decline. The book’s popularity has shaken Germany. Xenophobic parties play little role in politics, but the resentments that feed their popularity elsewhere are just as potent. A third of Germans think the country is overrun by foreigners, according to a newly published poll; a majority favour “sharply restricting” Muslim religious practice. Over a tenth would even welcome a Führer who would govern with “a strong hand”—a sign that the embers of extremism still glow.<br /><br />Conservative politicians, long fearful of being outflanked on the right, are pandering. Horst Seehofer, head of the Christian Social Union, the Bavarian sister party of the ruling Christian Democratic Union (CDU), declared this month that Germany needs no further immigration from Turkey or the Arab world. Germany is “not an immigration country”, he insisted, contradicting a hard-won consensus among conservatives. Characteristically, Angela Merkel, the CDU chancellor, sought to placate anti-immigrant sentiment without stooping to populism. Multiculturalism has “absolutely failed”, she said on October 16th, implying that immigrants would be expected to integrate better into German society. But she balanced this by admitting that Islam “is part of Germany”.</em><br /><br />I haven't read the book yet, but I am planning on it.Altenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-37458312606189783282010-10-28T08:07:02.738+11:002010-10-28T08:07:02.738+11:00She may still live to regret that choice and leave...<i>She may still live to regret that choice and leave Islam if she experiences some of its nastier aspects.</i><br /><br />Why would she? If there's anything that Islam is successful at, it's convincing new reverts that up is down, black is white, and that their old moral boundaries must be eliminated.<br /><br />For another example, Cat "Peace Train" Stevens is a big supporter of Hamas, notwithstanding the anti-war rhetoric of his youth. You'd think a bleeding-heart lefty like Cat would find terror, torture, and murder repugnant and repent his conversion, but you'd be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com