tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post234035632367431914..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: The utopian familyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-91033464739116370162012-02-04T21:42:01.436+11:002012-02-04T21:42:01.436+11:00You may javw to reread Island. MACs were.cooperati...You may javw to reread Island. MACs were.cooperatives.among families to.have.someone else the kid(s) could turn to or even stay with when home life became troubled. Sort of the way hunter gatherer tribes may have,raised,kids or the way extended families.used to help raise kids etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-53241979214843412332012-01-05T03:44:50.689+11:002012-01-05T03:44:50.689+11:00Liberating human beings from their traditional tie...Liberating human beings from their traditional ties to family is like liberating fish from their ties to water.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-83960722404023773792012-01-05T01:33:03.371+11:002012-01-05T01:33:03.371+11:00According to the book "The Puritan Family&quo...According to the book "The Puritan Family" by Edward Morgan, the Puritans would send their children off for other families to raise for a few years to prevent being to soft on them. It wasn't so free floating as this soup Huxley and Greer describe so I guess some bonds must have formed whiel they raised their neighbors children. This turned out to be a short lived practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-2569139057092634222012-01-04T14:37:54.933+11:002012-01-04T14:37:54.933+11:00"Elizabeth Smith said...
Good post Mark...."Elizabeth Smith said...<br /><br /> Good post Mark. A link of interest -> AD Draws Heat Because It Suggests Men Cannot Menstruate"<br /><br />Just like all the leftist interest group causes this video has negative feedback astroturfing.<br />Its so obvious any poll or feedback system gets abused by leftists broadcasting via twitter or whatever that some 'incredibly offensive' material is on the internet with a feedback function. <br />They then flock to the video and article with multiple accounts, IPs or just by organising enough dimwits to try to shift opinion. Except its fake its OBVIOUSLY fake. Why just why do they do it. Its all part of the fascinating obsession leftists have with manipulating opinion and infomation.<br />Don't they realise its cheating and a LIE. Their causes are so unpopular they need to manipulate opinion to give themselves the ressurance their ideology is winning.<br />Despite hating the practice i think its really interesting how they go about faking activism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-59291195389715631442012-01-04T11:41:25.265+11:002012-01-04T11:41:25.265+11:00That's an interesting point, Max, that love of...That's an interesting point, Max, that love of abstractions reduces to just loved for yourself, the source of the abstractions.Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-83565026145696994562012-01-04T08:43:38.479+11:002012-01-04T08:43:38.479+11:00Angela,
I'm glad you visited but you seem to ...Angela,<br /><br />I'm glad you visited but you seem to have misread the post. It wasn't supposed to be a comprehensive account of alternative community structures - hence no kibbutzim. The post is part of a much larger chapter on the family, a link to which is at the top of the sidebar. <br /><br />All that the post asks is how do modern thinkers who want to apply the principle of autonomy to the family envisage their ideal or utopian family system? Is that something we would want to have in practice?<br /><br />As it happens, the Oneida community really did try to implement a utopian family system - but it didn't work in the long run - once children arrived on the scene the adults opted for more stable family relationships.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-47174321018728513032012-01-04T06:20:41.591+11:002012-01-04T06:20:41.591+11:00Good post Mark. A link of interest -> AD Draws ...Good post Mark. A link of interest -> <a href="http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/01/ad-draws-heat-because-it-suggests-men-cannot-menstruate/" rel="nofollow">AD Draws Heat Because It Suggests Men Cannot Menstruate</a>Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33635432739111433032012-01-04T06:02:18.059+11:002012-01-04T06:02:18.059+11:00Elizabeth - how do you figure that one? Anonymous...Elizabeth - how do you figure that one? Anonymous - I stand corrected, thank you.Angela Eglisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16016311293115389666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1599712027794684912012-01-04T04:16:38.930+11:002012-01-04T04:16:38.930+11:00@ Angela Eglise - Pot calling the kettle black.@ Angela Eglise - Pot calling the kettle black.Elizabeth Smithhttp://alcestiseshtemoa.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-81231737109716765642012-01-03T21:04:27.998+11:002012-01-03T21:04:27.998+11:00Angela Eglise you spelt propaganda wrong.Angela Eglise you spelt propaganda wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-36286262114202830752012-01-03T20:49:54.312+11:002012-01-03T20:49:54.312+11:00After reading your Post and the comments on your b...After reading your Post and the comments on your blog about Katie Piper's acid attack I decided to see what exactly you're trying to do with this blog and found this, your most recent Post. Huxley's work was fiction. Any debate on this topic should surely contain information about Israel's kibbutzim in order to be taken seriously. Clearly, your blog is about propoganda and not truth.Angela Eglisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16016311293115389666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-58485232076706992652012-01-03T08:07:37.993+11:002012-01-03T08:07:37.993+11:00I think Bartholomew makes a good point, liberals m...I think Bartholomew makes a good point, liberals might ‘love’ humanity but not their neighbour, and certainly not their enemies. To put it simply, liberals deny/oppose love, in principle. Love is a willingness to sacrifice, to give of oneself for the sake of others, to act against some of our natural human instincts and desires, which is the foundation of civilisation – who was it that said that civilisation is about curbing appetites? Such a philosophy is necessary to sustain families, local communities, even the military. But liberals are about precisely the opposite, that is, surrendering to instinct and unmediated desire, which precludes deep, loving relationships and shifts love from family members and neighbours to causes and ideals – abstractions – shifts it, that is, back to oneself.Maxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30348546736173858822012-01-03T02:30:10.696+11:002012-01-03T02:30:10.696+11:00As a follow up to my last comment,
It seems that ...As a follow up to my last comment,<br /><br />It seems that radical autonomy theory renders fathers, mothers, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters, clansmen, countrymen, civilized and barbarians, all into mere "persons". And what you'd do for your brother, you just won't do for a "person". And what you'd protect your daughter from, you might just ignore when it concerns another "person." <br /><br />And isn't that the point? Isn't the point of autonomy theory to "free" us from the do's and don'ts that come with being a particular someone to someone else? And isn't the side-effect that we are now left unprotected by that someone to whom we used to mean something?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-74594887511074076642012-01-03T02:16:11.080+11:002012-01-03T02:16:11.080+11:00I wonder if there's a connection between Oneid...I wonder if there's a connection between Oneida's discouragement of parent-child attachment and Oneida members' acceptance of the statutory rape of their own children. <br /><br />According to Wikipedia's (rather sympathetic) account:<br /><br /><i>"Postmenopausal women were encouraged to introduce teenage males to sex, providing both with legitimate partners that rarely resulted in pregnancies. Furthermore, these women became religious role models for the young men. Likewise, older men often introduced young women to sex.</i><br /><br />Given that Wikipedia also claims Noyes had to flee to Canada to avoid charges of statutory rape, we can conclude that some of these "young women" were also under 18. <br /><br />I think it would be difficult to persuade a parent, even one involved in a cult, to allow his own child to be sexually abused. It would be much easier to persuade a person, especially one involved in a cult, simply to look the other way as <i><b>some</b></i> child is sexually abused. <br /><br />I don't know that Noyes pushed his radical autonomy theory in order to gain easier access to other men's (underage) daughters. I do think a case can be made, though, that said men's acceptance of that theory made things easier for Mr. Noyes. <br /><br />Why is it that radical individual autonomy theory, which on the face of it has nothing to do with sexual intercourse, always seems to become sexual in the end?Bartholomewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-27036881690205932722012-01-03T00:41:45.957+11:002012-01-03T00:41:45.957+11:00The quotes from Huxley and Greer point to an inter...The quotes from Huxley and Greer point to an interesting fantasy that is common to liberals. Under the voluntary system, no one is obliged to do anything they do not wish to do, so the liberal must imagine that there are, somewhere, people who wish to do all the things he, the liberal, does not wish to do. The anti-maternal Greer must, for instance, imagine that there exist uber-maternal women (and men) who want nothing more from life than to change her (Greer's) children's diapers and attend her (Greer's) children's piano recitals.<br /><br />And this is, of course, the fatal weakness of all utopias. Everyone "volunteers" to produce art and no one volunteers to do the dishes.JMSmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73852730741923790642012-01-02T23:23:25.449+11:002012-01-02T23:23:25.449+11:00No, he was portraying a utopia.
Huxley is a bit ...No, he was portraying a utopia. <br /><br />Huxley is a bit difficult to pin down. He was into drugs like LSD and influenced the hippy culture of the 60s. He also took seriously Eastern religion. And he is associated with humanism, pacifism and resistance to a centralised state authoritarianism.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-26022422784430069872012-01-02T22:00:26.338+11:002012-01-02T22:00:26.338+11:00Was Huckley critiquing such a family arangement? I...Was Huckley critiquing such a family arangement? I know Brave New World was a strong critique of certain modern trends.Jesse_7https://www.blogger.com/profile/08732509086253241748noreply@blogger.com