tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post138908122118506457..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Haidt: The Righteous MindUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15286946359896294392017-03-14T20:04:51.345+11:002017-03-14T20:04:51.345+11:00This from Cicero in the 1st century B.C. (De Ofici...This from Cicero in the 1st century B.C. (De Oficiis 1.53-54):<br />There are several levels of human society. Starting from that which is universal, the next is that of a common race, nation or language (which is what most of all holds men together). Further down comes membership of the same city; for citizens have many things in common - their town square, temples, covered walkways, roads, laws and constitution, law-courts and elections, customs and associations and the dealings and agreements that bind many people to many others. An even closer bond is that between relations: for it sets them apart from that limitless society of the human race into one that is narrow and closely-defined. Since it is a natural feature of all living beings that they have the desire to propagate, the first association is that of marriage itself; the next is that with one's children; then the household unit within which everything is shared; that is the element from which a city is made, so to speak the seed-bed of the state. Next comes the relationship between brothers, between cousins on the father's side and cousins on the mother's side; since the relatives cannot be contained in one household, they leave to found other households, just like colonies. Next, come relationships arising from marriage, which bring even more relatives. This extension and spreading of relationships is the basis of communities; for common blood forces men to help and care for one another.Agnus61https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257275473626581098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-40047928436801086852017-03-14T14:43:47.187+11:002017-03-14T14:43:47.187+11:00The first has been dominant in the Western politic...The first has been dominant in the Western political class to the point that Western liberals often cannot comprehend the other two.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-79686089512746452322017-03-14T13:45:14.208+11:002017-03-14T13:45:14.208+11:00So: autonomy, community and divinity. I think we h...So: autonomy, community and divinity. I think we have in the West a precarious and tenuous admixture of the three. Only the first brings immediate rewards and does not require much thought or higher culture. leadpbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08957439101293478340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-65488253486300810692017-03-14T12:09:15.704+11:002017-03-14T12:09:15.704+11:00But as soon as you step outside of Western secular...<em>But as soon as you step outside of Western secular society, you hear people talking in two additional moral languages. The ethic of community is based on the idea that people are, first and foremost, members of larger entities such as families, teams, armies, companies, tribes and nations.</em><br /><br />That's pretty much feudalism, except that nations weren't very important and they saw themselves as belonging to an even greater entity, Christendom. Feudalism has had a bad press. It actually had a lot going for it. We need to stop preening ourselves on how superior our society is to medieval society.<br /><br />We are the only society to develop an ethic of autonomy. Maybe there's a reason other societies have avoided this experiment.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.com