tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post1385334879010413956..comments2024-03-02T12:39:23.745+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Modernist confusion as Indian penalised for racismUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72084439574537625312008-01-29T22:49:00.000+11:002008-01-29T22:49:00.000+11:00okay, so back in the slave trade days the traders ...okay, so back in the slave trade days the traders and proslavery crowd would say that black people were essentially primates. They would use some people of african decent and their bone structure as a reason to compare them to animals...<BR/><BR/>"look at the bones structure..it looks like a monkey or ape..!! they are nothing but animals and should be treated like so" <BR/><BR/>So, as you cant imagine, the term monkey is a very racist term....I can see why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-73569740962229776322008-01-14T08:11:00.000+11:002008-01-14T08:11:00.000+11:00I reckon wpc hits the nail squarely on the head wi...I reckon wpc hits the nail squarely on the head with this comment:<BR/>"As conservatives, we shouldn't be buying into the left's game."<BR/>Exactly.<BR/> Again, we're allowing them to dictate the terms of the debate.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10428060142523536982008-01-12T16:37:00.000+11:002008-01-12T16:37:00.000+11:00From what I understand, the 'Monkey' insult starte...From what I understand, the 'Monkey' insult started in a match in India and played on both the Indian caste system - Symonds' darker skin made him akin to the 'untouchable' caste and therefore a social outcast - and the suggestion that he was genetically inferior and unevolved. After constant pressure from both the crowd and the opposition players in this manner, I can see how such an insult could severely affect his game, making it a crappy thing to do to anyone.<BR/><BR/>Roebuck simply seems deluded and, as wpc said, not worth paying attention to. It's good to see that <A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/letters/shame-on-roebuck-for-his-embarrassing-attack/2008/01/08/1199554648627.html?page=fullpage#" REL="nofollow">so many of his readers see it the same way</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-33207597029752429692008-01-11T23:39:00.000+11:002008-01-11T23:39:00.000+11:00Thing is, I doubt the enlightenment thinkers would...Thing is, I doubt the enlightenment thinkers would approve of the modernist tendencies of today.<BR/><BR/>To say that modernism has its roots in the Enlightenment is like saying the Australian Labor Party has its roots in Catholic Marxism, or that the Liberal Party of Australia has its roots in Anglican nationalism.<BR/><BR/>Of course, the statements are true, but so what? They mean nothing. It's the trend and where it leads that matters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-5332583541780654192008-01-11T09:26:00.000+11:002008-01-11T09:26:00.000+11:00interesting article.I''m not certain that "moderni...interesting article.<BR/><BR/>I''m not certain that "modernism" is the best term to use to describe this leftist attitude, given its historical meaning, often connected to the Enlightenment.<BR/><BR/>May I suggest "political correctness", or "left wing self-hatred" instead? <BR/><BR/>Other than that, an excellent article.Leon Bertrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07904286692877156809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-81581474393363825312008-01-09T21:47:00.000+11:002008-01-09T21:47:00.000+11:00Symonds makes himself up to look like a cross betw...Symonds makes himself up to look like a cross between a monkey and a refugee from the black and white minstrel show, then gets upset when someone stirs him about it. There's no racism or whatever, just two blokes having a bit of a dig at each other. They need to grow up and worry about the game not making 'official complaints'.sfwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03592447707671698816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-15424841175238478202008-01-09T20:48:00.000+11:002008-01-09T20:48:00.000+11:00It's moments like these that I am grateful for not...It's moments like these that I am grateful for not following pointless sports like cricket or so-called Australian "football."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-32155920170499034622008-01-09T14:00:00.000+11:002008-01-09T14:00:00.000+11:00There seem to be two issues here, which have been ...There seem to be two issues here, which have been fudged together by the anti-racist brigade.<BR/><BR/>1. Has sledging and bad sportmanship got out of hand?<BR/><BR/><BR/>2. Is moderate racial sledging worse than excessive sledging and bad sportmanship?<BR/><BR/>In answer to question 1, I would say yes, in answer to to 2 I would say no.<BR/><BR/>Actions speak louder than words, if players play the game in a good spirit they aren't likely to be bothered by the odd racist remark.<BR/><BR/>However, if they see players refusing to walk, over doing victory celebrations, being tell -tales etc, then tensions will rise and players will be tempted to use the race card to try and get back at one another.<BR/><BR/>Incidents like the bodyline series and the famous underarm incident are still debated, yet there have probably been numerous racial comments which have long since been forgotten.<BR/><BR/>I think that's one of the problems with modern society in general, lack of respectful behaviour is making people more spiteful and over-sensitive.<BR/><BR/>What happened to the old 'stick and stones...' mentality.Mike Courtmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15226171376902020196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-52862074653845271952008-01-09T08:49:00.000+11:002008-01-09T08:49:00.000+11:00Scott, I can believe that Roebuck has cranked out ...Scott, I can believe that Roebuck has cranked out some poorly judged columns over the years.<BR/><BR/>But to call for the replacement of the entire team? To compare the Australian team to a pack of dogs?Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-85943986399704076882008-01-09T06:29:00.000+11:002008-01-09T06:29:00.000+11:00Thank you for your clarification.I would like to a...Thank you for your clarification.<BR/><BR/>I would like to add that Singh is not the first player to be accused of rascism. He may be the first non-white player but previously there've been : Dean Jones(called Muslim Hashim Amla a terrorist on TV commentary), Darren Lehmann(called the Sri Lankans 'black cunts'), Glenn McGrath (called a Lankan 'black monkey') South Africa's half-black-half-black Herschelle Gibbs (banned for abusing Pakistanis)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-10861346484556458632008-01-09T01:54:00.000+11:002008-01-09T01:54:00.000+11:00What's extraordinary about that particular column?...What's extraordinary about that particular column? Roebuck's been cranking out stuff of that ilk for years now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-35136363419341198992008-01-08T22:59:00.000+11:002008-01-08T22:59:00.000+11:00Anonymous, the point of my post wasn't to endorse ...Anonymous, the point of my post wasn't to endorse the policy or even the particular decision. It was to try and explain why Peter Roebuck would write such an extraordinary column. He appears to be one of those whites who operates with an image of a powerful yet guilty white race and a noble, innocent non-white race. He isn't alone in this view; it is held generally within white academia and within the white political class; and it is something Asian societies use to their own advantage in their dealings with the west.<BR/><BR/>We have to take this distorted, ideological view of race seriously. Last time I checked over 50% of the readers of the Sydney Morning Herald agreed with Roebuck in an online poll.<BR/><BR/>So an incident in which the white players were not even directly involved is still successfully twisted into the powerful, arrogant Westerners versus the rightfully aggrieved non-Westerner paradigm.<BR/><BR/>We have to criticise this attitude wherever we find it.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-30550756230231911622008-01-08T21:10:00.000+11:002008-01-08T21:10:00.000+11:00Two points:1)There is no evidence that such a word...Two points:<BR/><BR/>1)There is no evidence that such a word was uttered. Only an accusation by Aussie players. And vehemently denied by our opponents. Banning a player on this basis is going too far. Moreover, the Indians have now lodged a similar complaint that Hoggy used the word 'bastard'. Now, unless Hoggy is banned too, a difficult situation will arise. The whole incident made the team look like whingers, especially Ponting, who is Singh's bunny.<BR/><BR/>2)Even if the word 'monkey' was used, how is it racist at all? <BR/><BR/>I think you are going too far with this incident. It should have been left on the field. It makes us look as if we can insult or provoke our opponents but can't take it back. <BR/><BR/>A final point : The next Test is in Perth. Neither Singh nor Hogg is going to play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-72061459284109873002008-01-08T19:29:00.000+11:002008-01-08T19:29:00.000+11:00Roebuck isn't worth paying attention to.How is "mo...Roebuck isn't worth paying attention to.<BR/><BR/>How is "monkey" a racist term? I call my kids monkeys on occasion.<BR/><BR/>Even if a racist comment was made, the story should be: the Australians sledged, they got sledged back. That's it.<BR/><BR/>As conservatives, we shouldn't be buying into the left's game. We should refuse to accept that abuse referring to race is any different to other types of abuse.<BR/><BR/>When someone is called a "black something" or "white something", the coloured descriptor is no insult in any case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com