tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post116443173617693128..comments2024-03-25T19:48:24.624+11:00Comments on Oz Conservative: Why I won't wear a white ribbonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164660335916158392006-11-28T07:45:00.000+11:002006-11-28T07:45:00.000+11:00Legal Eagle, thanks for the comment. I read your p...Legal Eagle, thanks for the comment. I read your post, and I think you've discussed the issue reasonably. <BR/><BR/>I've written a short <A HREF="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2004/11/does-law-favour-men.html" REL="nofollow">post</A> on the provocation issue myself. It's true that more men than women use the provocation defence, but it's not uncommon for women to do so (8 out of 26 in the period I looked at). <BR/><BR/>Furthermore women generally use the defence more successfully than men and receive lighter sentences than the men who do succeed in using the provocation defence.<BR/><BR/>Legal Eagle there are a lot of studies suggesting that women use violence in relationships to a similar degree, or even more frequently than men. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps this isn't obvious to criminal lawyers as most of the very worst cases (e.g. homicides) do involve male perpetrators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164630105808571252006-11-27T23:21:00.000+11:002006-11-27T23:21:00.000+11:00I think I agree Alex that although there are of co...I think I agree Alex that although there are of course cases of violence by women against women and women against men, I think it is more likely that if there is domestic violence, it will involve violence by a man towards a woman. This is not to suggest that all men are violent or that all men are complicit in such violence. <BR/><BR/>But, for example, if you look at the criminal law cases involving the defence of provocation to a murder charge, they tend to involve men rather than women. <BR/><BR/>I have written a <A HREF="http://legalsoapbox.blogspot.com/2006/11/white-ribbon-day.html" REL="nofollow">post</A> on the topic here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164624640226659772006-11-27T21:50:00.000+11:002006-11-27T21:50:00.000+11:00Kent, a number of the leading figures at LP have b...Kent, a number of the leading figures at LP have been open about their homosexuality. It's strengthened my impression that the left intelligentsia is becoming older, more female, and more homosexual in its demographics. The younger heterosexual males are much more frequently right-liberal these days.<BR/><BR/>This is a significant change to how I remember the situation in the 1980s. It seemed to me then that leftism was such an orthodoxy within the political class that it had a near stranglehold over the political culture.<BR/><BR/>Why might the change have occurred? One reason, I expect, is that the leftist tendency to vilify white heterosexual males as an oppressor class alienated a significant number of young men from their side of politics.<BR/><BR/>Why would a young man support a politics which cast him as the villain? <BR/><BR/>At any rate, I take it as a good development that the left-wing orthodoxy has been broken, even if it is right-liberalism, rather than conservatism, which has been the main beneficiary so far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164623790856948592006-11-27T21:36:00.000+11:002006-11-27T21:36:00.000+11:00Alex said:So what you're saying is that 75% of all...Alex said:<BR/><BR/><I>So what you're saying is that 75% of all assaults against women are committed by men?</I><BR/><BR/>Alex, this is what two research surveys by the Australian Bureau of Statistics say: that 25% of physical assaults against women are committed by women.<BR/><BR/><I>No body is trying to create a culture depicting the 'male oppressor'.</I><BR/><BR/>No? As I've explained already the 1994 national campaign against domestic violence was based on exactly this aim. Let me repeat what Kate Gilmore, the head of this campaign, said of the national strategy:<BR/><BR/><I>"You can see the tyrants, the invaders, the imperialists, in the fathers, the husbands, the stepfathers, the boyfriends, the grandfathers, and it’s that study of tyranny in the home … that will take us to the point where we can secure change."</I><BR/><BR/>Gilmore then admitted that this view was difficult to sell to the general public as:<BR/><BR/><I>"there are a lot of men who feel very resentful of this message"</I><BR/><BR/>She didn't let this stop her from insisting that <I>all</I> men were to blame for domestic violence. In fact, she went a lot further than this - she denied that "men that are violent are different from any other man in the country".<BR/><BR/>The Strategy itself, endorsed by the then Keating Labour Government, stated officially that:<BR/><BR/><I>"Male violence against women is a product of the social construction of masculinity".</I><BR/><BR/>The Strategy made the familiar, exaggerated claim that 33% of women were victims of domestic violence.<BR/><BR/>Has much changed since then? The recent Australia Says No campaign continued to assume that men were the perpetrators and women the victims of domestic violence.<BR/><BR/>And the media in the lead up to White Ribbon Day continued to point the finger at all men and to suggest that male culture somehow condoned domestic violence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164579534128068492006-11-27T09:18:00.000+11:002006-11-27T09:18:00.000+11:00The statistics tell us, both from 1996 and 2005, t...<I>The statistics tell us, both from 1996 and 2005, that 25% of assaults against women are committed by other women.</I><BR/><BR/>So what you're saying is that 75% of all assaults against women are committed by men? <BR/><BR/>I've got another story. I saw a lady a couple of weeks ago who had just been released after spending 4 months in hospital. Her husband in a rage picked her up and threw her, severing her hip ball joint.<BR/><BR/>For every story about female violence, I've got 50 about male violence. <BR/><BR/>No body is trying to create a culture depicting the 'male oppressor'. I'll repeat what I said in my earlier post - <B>White Ribbon Day recognises that a VAST majority of men don't use violence</B><BR/><BR/>If you chose not to make a stand, that's your prerogative. However, I’d ask you not to criticise those of us who want to make a statement.<BR/><BR/>I just quickly wanted to say that my program runs workshops for women who struggle with anger and aggression. I also assist men who have been victims of violence from women.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03215470040888755530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164576277482727942006-11-27T08:24:00.000+11:002006-11-27T08:24:00.000+11:00Alex, the majority culture already rejects violenc...Alex, the majority culture already rejects violence against women.<BR/><BR/>You talk about your professional experience. Well, let me tell you some of mine.<BR/><BR/>Last week a boy showed me on his mobile a clip of a school fight at a school in the northern suburbs of Melbourne.<BR/><BR/>It was the most violent fight I've ever seen. A group of girls was laying into another girl. They had her on the ground and were kicking her so hard in the head you feared her neck would break.<BR/><BR/>The statistics tell us, both from 1996 and 2005, that 25% of assaults against women are committed by other women.<BR/><BR/>We know also that women commmit a high percentage of assaults on children, and that domestic violence exists in lesbian relationships.<BR/><BR/>We know also that a significant percentage of hospital admissions as a result of domestic violence are men.<BR/><BR/>Yet all of this gets filtered until we are left with a male oppressor and female victim scenario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164546706427483382006-11-27T00:11:00.000+11:002006-11-27T00:11:00.000+11:00Hello,Mark, I'm a counsellor working particularly ...Hello,<BR/><BR/>Mark, I'm a counsellor working particularly in domestic violence prevention.<BR/><BR/>99.99% of my clients are women. They come to me either as a private client, or through police referral.<BR/><BR/>I've extensive involvement with the police, and the problem of domestic violence is so severe that many police stations have specialised domestic violence units. My small town has 3 full time policemen/women, devoted solely to Domestic Violence prevention, and their recourses are stretched to the limit.<BR/><BR/>White Ribbon Day is not a feminist inspired event as often depicted. It was started by men, for men in 1991. It’s not a day to be embarrassed, it’s a day to say no to people who cause awful damage.<BR/><BR/>The White Ribbon Day site goes to great lengths to state that a vast majority of men do not use violence against women. This makes the simple act of wearing a white ribbon so powerful, as it creates a majority culture that states that violence is not acceptable.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Alex<BR/><BR/>PS - I doubt it is appropriate for this site, but I smiled with amusement when I noticed your commenter, Iain, lamenting the moderation tactics of Larvatus Prodeo. The reason being is that the only time I've tried to comment at Iain's site, he deleted it!Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03215470040888755530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164544733762680992006-11-26T23:38:00.000+11:002006-11-26T23:38:00.000+11:00"There is not a large input from heterosexual male..."There is not a large input from heterosexual males."<BR/><BR/>I don't know how or where to begin to reply to that. How do you know? Why would it matter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164497978840809302006-11-26T10:39:00.000+11:002006-11-26T10:39:00.000+11:00Interesting that this is the second occasion now i...<I>Interesting that this is the second occasion now in which we've replied to the left and the left has decided to cut and run (the ACRAWSA folk having done the same thing).</I><BR/>Absolutely right Mark They just won't come at looking much beyond the slogans will they? which is very sad for political debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164459143147372492006-11-25T23:52:00.000+11:002006-11-25T23:52:00.000+11:00After reading that thread, I’m reminded why I don’...After reading that thread, I’m reminded why I don’t visit left or right wing liberal websites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164457793883670782006-11-25T23:29:00.000+11:002006-11-25T23:29:00.000+11:00Shane, LP is Larvatus Prodeo. It's an Australian l...Shane, LP is Larvatus Prodeo. It's an Australian left-wing website with a sizeable readership. There is at least some effort by its writers to respond to opposing views with argument, but only to a certain degree it seems. There is not a large input from heterosexual males.<BR/><BR/>The thread we've been discussing is <A HREF="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/11/24/white-ribbon-day/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164456271828144772006-11-25T23:04:00.000+11:002006-11-25T23:04:00.000+11:00What is LP?What is LP?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164452183614853282006-11-25T21:56:00.000+11:002006-11-25T21:56:00.000+11:00Iain, thanks. I haven't tried posting any more com...Iain, thanks. I haven't tried posting any more comments at LP. I think we already made our point effectively - perhaps too much so as the moderator "TigTog" has now declared that letting us comment was an oversight and that "I don’t plan to let it happen again."<BR/><BR/>Interesting that this is the second occasion now in which we've replied to the left and the left has decided to cut and run (the ACRAWSA folk having done the same thing).Mark Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15961688379656119701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6832901.post-1164443529133040252006-11-25T19:32:00.000+11:002006-11-25T19:32:00.000+11:00An excelent post on this topic Mark and I apreciat...An excelent post on this topic Mark and I apreciated your comments over at L P . Have they stopped putting your comments up over there as they have with mine? they were sadly predicttable on that score.Despite the fact that I was polite and on topic in theface of some nasty personal attacks.<BR/><BR/>Of topic; would you consider adding me to your blog roll ?<BR/>Best wishes<BR/>IainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com